"Middle zone" Christianity
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My english no good....but i understood what you typed.....Originally posted by breytonhartge:How to rephrase? I though that this statement would be understood. there is only one meaning for the word if.
That means your engrish also no good!
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Originally posted by M©+square:My english no good....but i understood what you typed.....
That means your engrish also no good! 
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simple, turn to the Lord like we all do, put their faith in Christ's scarifice, and then they will be saved too.Originally posted by Icemoon:so in their covenant, what do the Jews have to do?
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
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What u wrote reminded me that in the end, all will know Christ and profess his name....thank u =)Originally posted by vince69:simple, turn to the Lord like we all do, put their faith in Christ's scarifice, and then they will be saved too. -
in the end, when Christ reappeared from the clouds .. even SIS and CK also suck thumb worship Him.Originally posted by laoda99:What u wrote reminded me that in the end, all will know Christ and profess his name....thank u =) -
oh no! u having split personality again!Originally posted by Icemoon:in the end, when Christ reappeared from the clouds .. even SIS and CK also suck thumb worship Him. -
paiseh... did not managed to complete this.Originally posted by vince69:simple, turn to the Lord like we all do, put their faith in Christ's scarifice, and then they will be saved too.
Roman 3 also ask a similar question
The thing is, there is only one way to salvation that which is through Christ.
Roman 3:20-25
For no human being will be justified in his sight by works of the law, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from law, although the law and the prophets bear witness to it, the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction; since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as an expiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins; -
I hope so too, but I also have to keep in mind that there may exist some that won'tOriginally posted by laoda99:What u wrote reminded me that in the end, all will know Christ and profess his name....thank u =) -
Your question is about license and legalism. Cheap grace is the wrong view and use of grace. Legalism is the wrong view and use of the Law. Both are extremes denounced in the Word of God.Originally posted by fallin:This again is related to the question of the balance between works and faith. How on earth does a Christian escape the 2 traps of cheap grace and legalism. Cheap grace is obviously worshipping a false God while legalism really sucks the joy out of being a believer.
About cheap grace:
Paul answered that question in Romans 6:1-23.
About legalism:
He answered that mostly in Galatians. There we see of two kinds of legalism:
a) Legalism with regards to justification and b) legalism with regards to sanctification. The former says: “We are justified by faith plus works”, the latter says: “we will be sanctified and will be made perfect [mature] by the Law”.
The right balance
We who have trusted in Christ alone for salvation are not under the law. We are under grace. But being under grace does not mean that we are lawless [antinomianism, cheap grace]. No. We are married to a higher ‘law’: Christ. He is our all our justification, our sanctification and our glorification.
We are justified by faith in Christ alone. We are progressively sanctified through growing in GRACE and knowledge of Christ [through the Word as made effective by the Holy Spirit. We are glorified positionally and we will be glorified bodily in death or during the Rapture because of Christ resurrection from the dead.
1Co 1:30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God--and righteousness and sanctification and redemption--
Note: it doesnÂ’t also mean that since we are not under the law, that the Law has no more use to us Christians. No. the Law still has itÂ’s ministry today. God designed it for a special purpose and function. [we will not be discussing this right now for this is a very long topic].
We are free IN Christ. We are free to do anything that are in the sphere of Christ. Free to do anything Christ-like. Cheap grace and legalism throws you off Christ. To maintain the right balance, you must focus on Christ. Be preoccupied with Him.
How to be preoccupied?
1) You must keep on knowing that you [the old man] enslaved by sin died with Christ and therefore sin shall not have dominion over you.
2) You must keep reckoning this truth.
3) You must act on this truth always.
Be engrossed with these truths. Be preoccupied with Christ.
As you do this the Holy Spirit in unison with you knowing, reckoning and yielding will enable and empower you to have dominion over sin. As a result the requirements of the law are fulfilled IN you.
Read these verses and take note of verse 4.
Ro 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh,
4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled IN us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
P.S. i am willing to help you fallin with your questions. But i will be out for about two to three weeks. if you want you can e-mail me. I will be giving you my e-mail add through PM. -
They will be forced to acknowledge Him. Every knee will bow & every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord!Originally posted by vince69:I hope so too, but I also have to keep in mind that there may exist some that won't -
Originally posted by Repented John 2:They will be forced to acknowledge Him. Every knee will bow & every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! can only smile, don't know how to answer
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They are no "correct" answers... but I approach it from a "logic" point of view.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:do you have the correct answers?
Like if Christians claim that Jesus died for their sins... for God so loved the World... for Christians, everlasting life means go to heaven.
For people like me, there is no heaven so Jesus must be talking about something else. So you see, people like me will look at what Jesus means by everlasting life; what does believing in Jesus means...
Because Christians are sold the idea that Jesus is GOD; a lot of what Jesus says then becomes nonsense or interpreted in error.
I have no such problems. I try to see what as a man Jesus meant when he said those things. I do not come with baggage. If you like, we can look at specific points.
You see when I try to counsel gamblers, I sometimes have to recommend them to a religion and I am like, what religion do you practise? How can I do my job if i have no idea what the religions are preaching? So I empathise rather than sympathise with Christianity and Buddhism and Hinduism.
I attend Buddhist ceremonies, Hindu worship service; Christian Mass... Holy Communion (some churches tell you you cannot) but Rock Auditorium seems not to have any problems with it. I go to forums and discuss religion with people. So hey I know quite a bit about Christianity and I certainly have a different perspective from the "believers." -
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actually not forced as many of the jews are looking for messiah to return already. when Yeshua comes again, they will see Him for who He is and they will willingly bow the knee.Originally posted by Repented John 2:They will be forced to acknowledge Him. Every knee will bow & every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! -
then the jews will say "how come you look like the guy in the Passion?"Originally posted by breytonhartge:actually not forced as many of the jews are looking for messiah to return already. when Yeshua comes again, they will see Him for who He is and they will willingly bow the knee. -
Fantasy if I may say so... click on the link:Originally posted by breytonhartge:actually not forced as many of the jews are looking for messiah to return already. when Yeshua comes again, they will see Him for who He is and they will willingly bow the knee.
"Jews must come to the land of Israel to receive our righteous Mashiach (Messiah), who has begun his influence and will reveal himself in the future." -
I am not talking abt the Jews here. I am talking abt the satanists, atheists, & all those who purposely oppose God.Originally posted by breytonhartge:actually not forced as many of the jews are looking for messiah to return already. when Yeshua comes again, they will see Him for who He is and they will willingly bow the knee. -
I think the Jews right now are living in delusions themselves until the Antichrist betrays them & slaughters two thirds of their population, raping their women as well. Then their eyes will really open to the true Messiah Jesus Christ!Originally posted by casino_king:Fantasy if I may say so... click on the link:
"Jews must come to the land of Israel to receive our righteous Mashiach (Messiah), who has begun his influence and will reveal himself in the future."
Sometimes ppl need to be whacked before they buckle up or wake up. -
Originally posted by Repented John 2:I think the Jews right now are living in delusions themselves until the Antichrist betrays them & slaughters two thirds of their population, raping their women as well. Then their eyes will really open to the true Messiah Jesus Christ!
Sometimes ppl need to be whacked before they buckle up or wake up. -
May I ask which religion is most effective? Have u done a statistical study into this? How many Christians have u counselled already? Very interesting.Originally posted by casino_king:They are no "correct" answers... but I approach it from a "logic" point of view.
Like if Christians claim that Jesus died for their sins... for God so loved the World... for Christians, everlasting life means go to heaven.
For people like me, there is no heaven so Jesus must be talking about something else. So you see, people like me will look at what Jesus means by everlasting life; what does believing in Jesus means...
Because Christians are sold the idea that Jesus is GOD; a lot of what Jesus says then becomes nonsense or interpreted in error.
I have no such problems. I try to see what as a man Jesus meant when he said those things. I do not come with baggage. If you like, we can look at specific points.
You see when I try to counsel gamblers, I sometimes have to recommend them to a religion and I am like, what religion do you practise? How can I do my job if i have no idea what the religions are preaching? So I empathise rather than sympathise with Christianity and Buddhism and Hinduism.
I attend Buddhist ceremonies, Hindu worship service; Christian Mass... Holy Communion (some churches tell you you cannot) but Rock Auditorium seems not to have any problems with it. I go to forums and discuss religion with people. So hey I know quite a bit about Christianity and I certainly have a different perspective from the "believers."