Allow me to enlighten you my young padawan.Originally posted by HENG@:oh by the way i have a few questions for u repented john 2.
the news article cleary states that Leviticus 18:22 says it an abomination for man to lie with another man. End of debate. However, I need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to best follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Indonesias, but not Malaysians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Malaysians?
e) I know many people who work on the Sabbath, such as those who work in the shops and restaurants on the one day our family can go out as a family. Exodus 35:2 clearly states they should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill them all myself? Or can u lend a hand in excecuting these immoral people and their perversions?
f) A friend of mine who eats shellfish even thought its an abomination (Lev 11:10), How should he be outcast by society like homosexuals are?
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I am short sighted. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some room for leniency here?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, (and i believe u do too!) even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they(and you) die?
i) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
These are not even answers. Let alone enlightening.Originally posted by shade343:Allow me to enlighten you my young padawan.
a) The bible says love thy neighbour. Therefore you must endure their complaints. However, if things get worse Im sure you know what to do. **wink wink**
b) I suggest you go through a tender system. To be fair, use a combination of a negotiated and close tender system.
c)I suggest you observe their facial features. If you hear them moaning in pain....I think thats a very obvious sign.
d)This is easy. Your friend is only concerned about your welfare. Im sure you have read in the newspaper lately of a recent spate of crimes happening i JB right? Yeah, you get my point.
e)Surely you have heard of moral killing? As in kill out of love? Yah, you know what to do.
f)Yes. He should burn in hell. But dont worry, I shall prayer for him.
g) Put it this way, if you cant see properly, how do you even recognised the altar of God in the first place?
h) Death by chocolate sounds interesting in my opinion.
i)When you have good food, you share it with your neighbours. The same applies here.
Originally posted by HENG@:
oh by the way i have a few questions for u repented john 2.
the news article cleary states that Leviticus 18:22 says it an abomination for man to lie with another man. End of debate. However, I need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to best follow them.
a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
Sorry the third temple has to be rebuilt in order for the bull to be burned & i dont think your house is a jewish temple.
b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
I don't know abt this verse. Will look it up as to why ppl want to sell their daughters into slavery.
c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.
I think if the bible has this command in the OT, it will give instructions as to how to tell when a woman is menstruating. Maybe look up the bible for further instructions.
d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Indonesias, but not Malaysians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Malaysians?
Why not Malaysians? But slaves are usually very poor people who are willing to sell themselves. Maybe M'sians more well off so they don't need to sell themselves?
e) I know many people who work on the Sabbath, such as those who work in the shops and restaurants on the one day our family can go out as a family. Exodus 35:2 clearly states they should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill them all myself? Or can u lend a hand in excecuting these immoral people and their perversions?
Yes, actually all should stop work on the Sabbath. They are already violating the sabbath in defiance of God's laws. They do harm to themselves & God. One day all who violate the sabbath will have to pay, land, health & all!
f) A friend of mine who eats shellfish even thought its an abomination (Lev 11:10), How should he be outcast by society like homosexuals are?
If he thinks it's an abomination, he is guilty before God already. Don't need to outcast him. God will personally outcast him. Is it worse to be outcast by God Himself or just society only?
g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I am short sighted. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some room for leniency here?
Only priests can approach the altar of God. Are u a priest?
h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, (and i believe u do too!) even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they(and you) die?
Don't worry. We will all die eventually. It's not up to u or me to decide. But i thot this applies to priests only? Have to look up.
i) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. I suppose the whole town has to obey this law first before they can stone them. But i need to read further bcos i think u take out of context here.
If God says stone, we stone!
I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.
Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.
NOT ALL PERVERSIONS RESULT IN STONING OR DEATH! BESIDES I THINK U TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT.Originally posted by HENG@:oh wait before u try to help clarify my questions about how to best follow those laws, can i ask u, besides the perversion of trimming your hair, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27, do u also indulge in other perversions?
For example i am quite concerned if u, like my aunt, also commits the horrible perversion of wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread as explicitly forbidden in Lev 19:19.
If u do then I don't think u can help me much in giving me advice regarding those rules. I will also be shocked that u have not allowed yourself to be stoned to death for such horrible perversions!
But an odor pleasing to God surely must be pleasing to us! They must be devil''s advocates! We have to kill them!Originally posted by Repented John 2:Sorry the third temple has to be rebuilt in order for the bull to be burned & i dont think your house is a jewish temple.
How can u not know? U seem to be the expert on biblical law here!!!Originally posted by Repented John 2:I don't know abt this verse. Will look it up as to why ppl want to sell their daughters into slavery.
No it doesn't. Even if it does, u should know where and help me look it up! U're the one who is a very sure and unshakable believer in the biblical laws!Originally posted by Repented John 2:I think if the bible has this command in the OT, it will give instructions as to how to tell when a woman is menstruating. Maybe look up the bible for further instructions.
But there are poor malaysians as well! and I don't understand how poor people selling themselves will improve their situation! the last slave i bought was old and weak, and i paid 50 cents for him only(he was on discount). I beat him a lot, did not feed him much and he died on me! And why did i have to buy him from an illegal slaver? why is it illegal to own slaves in sg when God says it is ok to?Originally posted by Repented John 2:Why not Malaysians? But slaves are usually very poor people who are willing to sell themselves. Maybe M'sians more well off so they don't need to sell themselves?
YES YES!!! I can FEEL the strength of God in your words! The only TRUE Christianity is FUNDAMENTALISM CHRISTIANITY. We must declare a holy crusade against all these other false believers! They are guilty of heresay, we have to burn them at the stake to redeem their souls!!!Originally posted by Repented John 2:Yes, actually all should stop work on the Sabbath. They are already violating the sabbath in defiance of God's laws. They do harm to themselves & God. One day all who violate the sabbath will have to pay, land, health & all!
No he does not think it anabomination even though he is Christian!!! And why should God outcast him? God loves all sinners, the priest says! So we will leave it to God to love him and judge him, we just have to stone him to death and send him to see God! Its the only way to redeem his soul!Originally posted by Repented John 2:If he thinks it's an abomination, he is guilty before God already. Don't need to outcast him. God will personally outcast him. Is it worse to be outcast by God Himself or just society only?
I am not but I have approached it MANY times!!! Are u saying I can no longer pray at the altar? What about my priest? He wears reading glasses! He, of all people, being a man of God, should know God's word!!! HOW DARE HE APPROACH THE ALTAR OF GOD WITH A DEFECT IN HIS SIGHT!!! We will have to stone him to death or burn him at the stake. GOD WILLS IT!Originally posted by Repented John 2:Only priests can approach the altar of God. Are u a priest?
NO!!! IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE!!! OH MY GOODNESS ARE U TELLING ME THAT U ARE ALSO A PERVERT?! HAVE U COMMITTED PERVERSIONS AS WELL?! THIS IS TOO HORRIBLE TO CONSIDER!!! U HAVE TO BE STONED TO DEATH! GOD WILLS IT!!!Originally posted by Repented John 2:Don't worry. We will all die eventually. It's not up to u or me to decide. But i thot this applies to priests only? Have to look up.
NO!!! EVERYTHING IS TAKEN IN CONTEXT!!! HOW DARE U HIDE YOUR PERVERSIONS BEHIND A SHIELD OF LIES OF CONTEXTS!!!Originally posted by Repented John 2:NOT ALL PERVERSIONS RESULT IN STONING OR DEATH! BESIDES I THINK U TAKE EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT.
U ARE WITH PERVERSION AND SIN! HOW DARE U CAST THE 1ST STONE??? U ARE NOT ONLY A PERVERT NOW, U ARE ALSO A HYPOCRITE! A PHARISEE!!! HOW DARE U ACCUSE OTHERS OF PERVERSIONS WHEN U QUIETLY DELIGHT IN YOUR OWN PERVERSIONS!Originally posted by Repented John 2:Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. I suppose the whole town has to obey this law first before they can stone them. But i need to read further bcos i think u take out of context here.
If God says stone, we stone!
Originally posted by HENG@:
But an odor pleasing to God surely must be pleasing to us! They must be devil''s advocates! We have to kill them!
As i said, the jews burn the bull in their temple area far away from living quarters so where got complaint? so dont need to kill your neighbours bcos they wont get to smell it as your house not a jewish temple!
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I don't know abt this verse. Will look it up as to why ppl want to sell their daughters into slavery.
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How can u not know? U seem to be the expert on biblical law here!!!
I never said i was an expert. Anyway i think u're quoting out of historical context here.
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No it doesn't. Even if it does, u should know where and help me look it up! U're the one who is a very sure and unshakable believer in the biblical laws!
Come to think of it, the husband will know bcos the wife will definitely tell him. She wouldnt want to break God's laws. U know last time God can strike you dead for this! So u should be lucky now that u are living under grace.
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Why not Malaysians? But slaves are usually very poor people who are willing to sell themselves. Maybe M'sians more well off so they don't need to sell themselves?
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But there are poor malaysians as well! and I don't understand how poor people selling themselves will improve their situation! the last slave i bought was old and weak, and i paid 50 cents for him only(he was on discount). I beat him a lot, did not feed him much and he died on me! And why did i have to buy him from an illegal slaver? why is it illegal to own slaves in sg when God says it is ok to?
Yes, poor people can improve their condition bcos they get to have food, clothing, lodging, etc. There was also a law that says they can redeem themselves or they will be set free on Jubilee etc.
I think u must be joking. Even in Jesus time, slaves cost thirty pieces of silver, w/c is a lot of money then. God told the Jews to take care of slaves or God will beat the hell out of them for their abuses! U think u can play with God's laws which pities the widows & orphans?
Well ask the govt of S'pore lah. If u want, go petition the govt to allow slavery in S'pore!
WHY do predominantly Christian countries like UK and USA outlaw slavery as well??? USA were doing fine until they outlawed it! Damn that President Lincon! We must declare a holy crusade against all countries that outlaw slavery!!! they are committing perversions!!! OH MY GOODNESS!!! even Israel does not allow slavery! We will have to go and burn down Jerusalem. It is for the good of God's word! We have to rape, pillage, plunder and murder in his name, for these people are all perverted! GOD WILLS IT!!!
Bcos they are Christian countries that's why. Christians have always taken care of the poor & needy. Slavery is an abomination to God but Paul did say to remain as slaves if called as a slave but if can be free, to be free by all means bcos we are God's freed men. U are the pervert not them! We are living in the age of grace where God shows love to people but don't presume or assume too much of God's kindness!
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YES YES!!! I can FEEL the strength of God in your words! The only TRUE Christianity is FUNDAMENTALISM CHRISTIANITY. We must declare a holy crusade against all these other false believers! They are guilty of heresay, we have to burn them at the stake to redeem their souls!!!
Thanks man for saying God is on my side!
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If he thinks it's an abomination, he is guilty before God already. Don't need to outcast him. God will personally outcast him. Is it worse to be outcast by God Himself or just society only?
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No he does not think it anabomination even though he is Christian!!! And why should God outcast him? God loves all sinners, the priest says! So we will leave it to God to love him and judge him, we just have to stone him to death and send him to see God! Its the only way to redeem his soul!
So he is not guilty lah! So God wont outcast him. Neither will society. Who tell u to stone him? The satanic bible or what?
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Only priests can approach the altar of God. Are u a priest?
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I am not but I have approached it MANY times!!! Are u saying I can no longer pray at the altar? What about my priest? He wears reading glasses! He, of all people, being a man of God, should know God's word!!! HOW DARE HE APPROACH THE ALTAR OF GOD WITH A DEFECT IN HIS SIGHT!!! We will have to stone him to death or burn him at the stake. GOD WILLS IT!
I was refering to the OT altar. See! U always take things out of historical context. U always twist the scripture to your doom!
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Don't worry. We will all die eventually. It's not up to u or me to decide. But i thot this applies to priests only? Have to look up.
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NO!!! IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE!!! OH MY GOODNESS ARE U TELLING ME THAT U ARE ALSO A PERVERT?! HAVE U COMMITTED PERVERSIONS AS WELL?! THIS IS TOO HORRIBLE TO CONSIDER!!! U HAVE TO BE STONED TO DEATH! GOD WILLS IT!!!
NO!!! IT APPLIES TO EVERYONE!!! OH MY GOODNESS ARE U TELLING ME THAT U ARE ALSO A PERVERT?! HAVE U COMMITTED PERVERSIONS AS WELL?! THIS IS TOO HORRIBLE TO CONSIDER!!! U HAVE TO BE STONED TO DEATH! GOD WILLS IT!!!
Thank God. If i confess my sins, He is faithful & just to forgive me of my sins & cleanse me from all my unrighteousness! U not pervert meh? Bcos u pervert the scriptures to suit your lust!
Originally posted by HENG@:
NO!!! EVERYTHING IS TAKEN IN CONTEXT!!! HOW DARE U HIDE YOUR PERVERSIONS BEHIND A SHIELD OF LIES OF CONTEXTS!!!
U ARE A PERVERT!!! U COMMIT PERVERSIONS! AND TO THINK U HAD THE CHEEK TO SAY THIS!!!:Are u sure? U have twisted the OT scriptures to suit your lust. U have taken everything out of historical context. AND DON'T SHOUT AT ME. I CAN SHOUT BACK YOU KNOW! But i forgive u.
U ARE WITH PERVERSION AND SIN! HOW DARE U CAST THE 1ST STONE??? U ARE NOT ONLY A PERVERT NOW, U ARE ALSO A HYPOCRITE! A PHARISEE!!! HOW DARE U ACCUSE OTHERS OF PERVERSIONS WHEN U QUIETLY DELIGHT IN YOUR OWN PERVERSIONS!
SO THEY ARE OUT OF CONTEXT BECAUSE IT APPLIES TO YOU AND OTHER VERSES ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT OUT OF CONTEXT BECAUSE THEY DON'T APPLY TO YOU? TERRIBLE! PERVERSIONS AFTER PERVERSIONS FROM YOU!!!
U MUST DIE!!! U HAVE COMMITTED TOO MANY PERVERSIONS! MAY U NEVER STEP FOOT IN THE CITY OF JERUSALEM LEAST U SOIL IT FOR ETERNITY! U ARE AS BAD AS THE HOMOSEXUALS!!! NO!!! WORSE!!! THEY ARE NOT HYPOCRITES LIKE YOU!!! BEGONE!!! FUNDAMENTALISM CHRISTIANITY DOES NOT HAVE A PLACE FOR PERVERTS LIKE YOU! U MUST BE EXCOMMUNICATED AND THEN U MUST BE EXCECUTED BY FIRE AT STAKE. IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO REDEEM YOUR SOUL
GOD WILLS IT!!!
God bless you. I die willingly for Jesus Christ! May God forgive you for you know not what you are doing! You are just like the Dark Agers who burn heretics & witches when they dont agree with you. May God have mercy on your soul.
Thats why I like maplestory, better than LOTR. Can summon dragon and teleport leh.Originally posted by M©+square:RJ2 machiam casting spells like LOTR.
You should go back to your game.....shoo shoo....Originally posted by shade343:Thats why I like maplestory, better than LOTR. Can summon dragon and teleport leh.
no nothing has been taken out of context. U have shown yourself to be as bad a purveyor of perversions as homosexuals. And yet you are the one who said let he who does not sin cast the 1st stone. How dare u try to justify your perversions by claiming I twisted the scriptures? U are the one who twist scriptures to justify your own dislike of homosexuals! U are a hypocrite, u are worse than the devil. I don't want u to forgive me, least God think I am in cathoots with you. You are the devil. U indulge in perversions and hypocrisy. U taint the word of God. Nobody here will listen to you anymore because u have shown yourself unworthy of being a fundamentalist Christian. U heretic, u twisted soul, go back to hence to hell where u came from and stop soiling God's green earth!Originally posted by Repented John 2:Are u sure? U have twisted the OT scriptures to suit your lust. U have taken everything out of historical context. AND DON'T SHOUT AT ME. I CAN SHOUT BACK YOU KNOW! But i forgive u.
Funny. I never said i disliked homosexuals. I said God said it's wrong to be homosexuals. U again twist my words to malign me! The scripture is plain that God dislikes homosexuals so why don't u say God is the devil then & the devil is God? Funny-a devil accuses a homosexual of wrongdoing? U got to be kidding. See u are warped in your thinking! I thot the devil will agree with u instead! If the demons start condemning homosexuals, then they are fighting against themselves & divided they will fall! So how can the devil cast out the devil? Unless it really is God who casts u the real devil out!Originally posted by HENG@:no nothing has been taken out of context. U have shown yourself to be as bad a purveyor of perversions as homosexuals. And yet you are the one who said let he who does not sin cast the 1st stone. How dare u try to justify your perversions by claiming I twisted the scriptures? U are the one who twist scriptures to justify your own dislike of homosexuals! U are a hypocrite, u are worse than the devil. I don't want u to forgive me, least God think I am in cathoots with you. You are the devil. U indulge in perversions and hypocrisy. U taint the word of God. Nobody here will listen to you anymore because u have shown yourself unworthy of being a fundamentalist Christian. U heretic, u twisted soul, go back to hence to hell where u came from and stop soiling God's green earth!
Now u start calling ppl names but it's ok, i forgive u. I will endure this name calling in His service. Thanks for giving me the chance to serve God.Originally posted by HENG@:RJ2 is obviously a hypocrite. the greatest perversion isn't headed to Jerusalem. The greatest perversion is right there in sg, in the form of the hypocrite who is not without sin and yet who casts the 1st stone against other sinners. What a truely monsterous person, he can only be of the devil's stock. Luckily true Christians are not like him.
RJ2 u have been exposed. Ask not for God's forgiveness for me, because u are the one who needs it more.
Winner .. now God and the Holy Spirit are separate entities.Originally posted by Repented John 2:U are already blaspheming God by claiming u are on his side & he supports your twisted thinking that homosexuality is right! Blasphemy against God can be forgiven but blasphemy against the Holy Spirit cannot be forgiven! I warn u now!
Dont know. Jesus said it to the pharisees.Originally posted by Icemoon:Winner .. now God and the Holy Spirit are separate entities.
Ok The Elder. I am sorry for being quarelsome. Yes, i am very zealous for God. Maybe too zealous. I will try to start loving people but i really find stubborn difficult people hard to love. They don't want to repent & they still try to justify themselves using God's words. They even take God's grace for granted.Originally posted by The Elder:Repented John 2, what u have done is not right. Jesus says to you: "I know your works, that the last are more than the first but u have left your first love. Now repent & go back to loving ppl or i will take away your lampstand if u dont repent."
God still loves u as He loves everyone on earth, even the blinded satanists. So u should start loving ppl & not quarelling with them even if u are right. I know it's your zealousness but Jesus says He knows your heart that u are zealous for Him but go back to your first love.
Just my humble opinion.
you make me want to laugh.Originally posted by Repented John 2:Ok The Elder. I am sorry for being quarelsome. Yes, i am very zealous for God. Maybe too zealous. I will try to start loving people but i really find stubborn difficult people hard to love. They don't want to repent & they still try to justify themselves using God's words. They even take God's grace for granted.
I am sorry. Yes, God loves the satanists even if only they knew. May God even convert the satanists to become a shining light for Jesus! Hip hip hooray for Jesus! Nothing is impossible for God!