the true 'christians'
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For me, whatever I read I rely on one simple principle:Originally posted by despondent:well, we can tok abt how these cults preach 'lies' tat r so close to the truth...i do noe of certain 'truths' they preach tat seem to have biblical references...in the last days, i feel its impt we uncover n discern truth from lie...anyone has anything to share in tis area? i wil post some of the info i noe the next time...
1) Does what I read points me back to Christ?
[Does it focus on other things, such as blessings, wealth/health instead of Christ?, or new revelation/commands by Christ, which is contrary to our knowledge that the bible is sufficient for our understanding of Christ.
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Does it goes against Christ's teachings? Does it glorify man instead of glorifying god? Does it claim to have a new messiah after Christ? Does it allow me to edify myself and grow to be a better christian? Is it in-line with what I already know and learnt in church?
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What kind of salvation it preaches? (by faith/christ's merits, by works/own merit?) Does it contradict the basic tenets of Christianity - the divinity of our lord Jesus, triune god and so on....
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Your definition of infalliable is different from ours. When we say infalliable, it does not mean that the Pope cannot sin. It means that if he teaches about faith or morals, he cannot be wrong.Originally posted by vince69:Cause all men are falliable, there is no one that do not make mistake, if there is ever one person that is perfect and infalliable, its our Lord Jesus Christ.
To say a person is not falliable, is to say this person cannot make, will not and does not make mistake, meaning perfect.
yes, the Apostle Peter is an apostle appointed by our Lord Jesus Christ, but definitely not infalliable and far from being perfect.
I had always been curious about, and since now that you mentioned it, perhaps you can help me with these; when was Peter make the first Pope of the Catholic Church? Is he also the first Bishop of the church in Rome? When did Peter first go to Rome to build the church there? If you can direct me to where I can find these info, that will be very helpful.
Many Thanks .
Yes he is the first bishop of Rome. You can try these links. Catholic pov, of course.
http://www.catholic-pages.com/pope/hahn.asp
http://www.catholic.com/library/Peter_and_the_Papacy.asp
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the true ones are always open in their hearts......always magnimous and forgiving.............waiting to accept people into their embrace........while the opposite christians are there...........yes they open their hearts to you........"seem" magnimous enough......but inside their hearts......they wait with a knife in their hidden bags.........if you get my meaning..........
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Let me go read them first.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Your definition of infalliable is different from ours. When we say infalliable, it does not mean that the Pope cannot sin. It means that if he teaches about faith or morals, he cannot be wrong.
Yes he is the first bishop of Rome. You can try these links. Catholic pov, of course.
http://www.catholic-pages.com/pope/hahn.asp
http://www.catholic.com/library/Peter_and_the_Papacy.asp
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11451b.htm
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HELLO!!! yup i am back again...as i promised, i wil be posting some info abt wad cult preaches wif bible references(ifpossible)...
God said in genesis: let us make man in our image n likeness...
from tis verse, mormons claim tat God used to be an imperfect man like anyone of us n then thru longsuffering, He bcame wad He is today...the perfect God...so since man is created in His likenss...hence we can become God when we go to heaven...
the theory is tis wad man is, God was...wad God is, man wil become...
further scripture to support tis is psalms 82:6: i say to thee, ye r gods n ye r children of the most High...
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If I am not wrong, mormons believe anyone can become god and have a small planet to be king after they die....Originally posted by despondent:HELLO!!! yup i am back again...as i promised, i wil be posting some info abt wad cult preaches wif bible references(ifpossible)...
God said in genesis: let us make man in our image n likeness...
from tis verse, mormons claim tat God used to be an imperfect man like anyone of us n then thru longsuffering, He bcame wad He is today...the perfect God...so since man is created in His likenss...hence we can become God when we go to heaven...
the theory is tis wad man is, God was...wad God is, man wil become...
further scripture to support tis is psalms 82:6: i say to thee, ye r gods n ye r children of the most High...
air ur views abt tis...more coming up soon... -
If I am not wrong, mormons believe anyone can become god and have a small planet to be king after they die....
well, according to them, God resides in a planet called kolob...
anyway, i am sure we noe tat in da vinci code, jesus was said to have married mary magdeline n had a child...we,, mormons believe more than tat...they believe jesus had 3 wives!!! mary(nt his mother), martha n mary magdeline...n God the father had many spiritual wives n jesus is the 1st to be birthed forth...mormons believe in polygamy...1 male mormon can take many wives... -
the planet thing sound like scientology...Originally posted by despondent:well, according to them, God resides in a planet called kolob...
anyway, i am sure we noe tat in da vinci code, jesus was said to have married mary magdeline n had a child...we,, mormons believe more than tat...they believe jesus had 3 wives!!! mary(nt his mother), martha n mary magdeline...n God the father had many spiritual wives n jesus is the 1st to be birthed forth...mormons believe in polygamy...1 male mormon can take many wives... -
n to make things more incredible...lucifer is also birth forth from the same spiritual mother as jesus...he is the 2nd born...so tat makes jesus n lucifer brothers...
move on the JWs, they believe tat jesus is nt God...rather he was actually michael the archangel...read jude 9... -
yup...and they do not acknowledge the holy spirit as god, but rather then "god's active force"...Originally posted by despondent:n to make things more incredible...lucifer is also birth forth from the same spiritual mother as jesus...he is the 2nd born...so tat makes jesus n lucifer brothers...
move on the JWs, they believe tat jesus is nt God...rather he was actually michael the archangel...read jude 9... -
i heard dat before.. not from jw.. but from some gnostic and other cultish webbies, dat doesn't seem related. lucifer was often painted as a self-sacrificed christ-like figure dat took the burden of sin for the salvation of man.Originally posted by despondent:n to make things more incredible...lucifer is also birth forth from the same spiritual mother as jesus...he is the 2nd born...so tat makes jesus n lucifer brothers... -
ok...so we have heard a little abt the Jws n mormons...if anyone else have anything to share, pls do so...for nw lets move on to other suspicious 'christian' groups...two more up for mention...7th-day Adventists n CCC(Central Christian Church)...comments on them?
wil comment on them in my next post... -
7th day adventists cannot eat porkOriginally posted by despondent:ok...so we have heard a little abt the Jws n mormons...if anyone else have anything to share, pls do so...for nw lets move on to other suspicious 'christian' groups...two more up for mention...7th-day Adventists n CCC(Central Christian Church)...comments on them?
wil comment on them in my next post...
I think I read CCC believe all churches are false except their own. They rebaptise christians who join them. -
I understand that they believe in Confession.Originally posted by laoda99:7th day adventists cannot eat pork
I think I read CCC believe all churches are false except their own. They rebaptise christians who join them.
Too bad they don't have priests. -
which one u referring to? CCC? 7th day?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:I understand that they believe in Confession.
Too bad they don't have priests. -
CCCOriginally posted by laoda99:which one u referring to? CCC? 7th day? -
ooo.....Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:CCC
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alrite here r some info on these 2 cults...
7th-day adventists believe tat there shld nt be services on sundays cos by doing so its working on the sabbath...n like the JWs, they believe tat jesus was actually michael the archangel...
for CCC, nt onli do they believe they r the onli church tat is saved...they also have 'quota' evangelism...sth like mormons...must meet certain quota in bringing ppl to church... -
Think CCC sued newpaper and they won.....Originally posted by despondent:alrite here r some info on these 2 cults...
7th-day adventists believe tat there shld nt be services on sundays cos by doing so its working on the sabbath...n like the JWs, they believe tat jesus was actually michael the archangel...
for CCC, nt onli do they believe they r the onli church tat is saved...they also have 'quota' evangelism...sth like mormons...must meet certain quota in bringing ppl to church... -
bah.... a lot of churches also got quota evangelism...
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mormons not easy....their parents save $$$ for them to go overseas for mission trip when they reach 18......
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I don't like this cult...
Remember that what ever church or any places you come from.
Follow the words of the bible and follow the way of a christian which was pass down 2000 years ago...
anything that changes that way is pure satan work.
Till now mankind still have many things we don't understand what written on bible so don't try to be smart, and teaching wrong things to people...by doing such act is very evil.
Remember that bible itself is not a complete book...cos many parts are missing or destroy...that is why people use such loophole to "cheat" on people.
Till then wait for people to found more prove and facts like the old scrolls found in the dead sea cave. -
bah.... a lot of churches also got quota evangelism
quota evangelism is when a quota is set n it is a must to meet it...most of the churches u mention r juz encouraging the members to target certain no. of ppl but its ok even if they dun meet their targets n they dun have any fixed no. up to u to decide...target juz there to spur them on...whereas quota evangelism means a quota is set churchwide n all members r required to adhere to it... -
Originally posted by Blue Stardust:I don't like this cult...
Remember that what ever church or any places you come from.
Follow the words of the bible and follow the way of a christian which was pass down 2000 years ago...
anything that changes that way is pure satan work.
Till now mankind still have many things we don't understand what written on bible so don't try to be smart, and teaching wrong things to people...by doing such act is very evil.
Remember that bible itself is not a complete book...cos many parts are missing or destroy...that is why people use such loophole to "cheat" on people.
Till then wait for people to found more prove and facts like the old scrolls found in the dead sea cave.
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Originally posted by Blue Stardust:I don't like this cult...
Remember that what ever church or any places you come from.
Follow the words of the bible and follow the way of a christian which was pass down 2000 years ago...
anything that changes that way is pure satan work.
Till now mankind still have many things we don't understand what written on bible so don't try to be smart, and teaching wrong things to people...by doing such act is very evil.
Remember that bible itself is not a complete book...cos many parts are missing or destroy...that is why people use such loophole to "cheat" on people.
Till then wait for people to found more prove and facts like the old scrolls found in the dead sea cave. 
layman term pls