the true 'christians'
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I actually agree with Brey on this.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Did I ever say that I support Ps prince in full? Once ever? Get your facts right old man.
Does not mean that I defended him on one occasion, that I support all that he does. But in that instance, I think that the person attacking him got the facts wrong so I said something.
There is no evidence that he supports NCC in full. Brey just attends NCC while he is/was in Singapore, unlike vince who attends every Sunday.
I think Unker Eng was too quick to make that assumption. Well, people make mistakes when agitated.
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no wait .. I think you misunderstood Unker Eng. He was more troubled about your inconsistency and contradictory arguments.Originally posted by breytonhartge:have you ever been part of the RC church? served in it? done the catechism? if so, then you should know what I speak about when I speak about the RC church.
If not, then I suggest that you go do some reading up of your own.
Nope, you got it wrong again. Like you yourself have said, all of us have our beliefs, we air them, so you don't like what I say, then you deal with it. The fact that the RC church is heretical is a well known one, and one that has been around for a long time, I have not spoken any different.
Well we have many others here calling the charismatic churches heretical, I don't see you making a song and dance about it? So why pick on me? Now you are being inconsistent.
While NT2 "condemn" the RC and laoda "condemn" the charismatics, there is a difference betweeen them and you. -
Again, there is a difference. The mainstream churches "condemn" on the basis of Scripture. You do that too, but in addition you claim that the Spirit is still giving pastors revelation. This is an unlevel playing field liao.Originally posted by breytonhartge:My calling mainstream churches heretical is no more impolite than the RC churches condemning all the other churches, or the mainstream churches condemning the charismatics and pentacostals... like you said once before, we all have views and we air them.
An on the subject of impolite, you have done that routine on occasion.
So go ahead and quote from the bible, i thought that you don't do that.
LOL .. if he quotes, you should be honored. 'cos he won't quote for the sake of quoting. He only quotes when someone tries to perverse Scripture, like when Ah Heng tried to use Scripture to support homosexuality. -
Yes....my stand is it does not come from holy communion.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Actually, I did not agree with you that Charismatic churches are teaching the wrong thing. They also teach things which are valid to our spiritual growth. I never did agree. I said, all churches are teaching the wrong thing. Acutally, there is nothing wrong with what the Charismatic church teaches, neither are the teachings of the mainstream churches wrong. Each has a different revelation. But the point i am making is there is wrong teaching in the churches already. In ALL churches, not just the charismatics, if you want to point the finger, just go digging in the RC church, plenty of heresies there already. If you want to know my gripe, then read through the various threads in this forum. I have spoken at length about it.
You mean you believe in God's healing. It does not have to come through holy communion.
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If the teachings abt wealth and health is correct, then all christians are rich and healthy, which is obviously not the case.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Actually if not according to the will of God, then whose will? But the point is this, God desires to bless all of us as His children. The reason for this is given in deut 28, so that all the peoples of the earth shall see that we are called by the name of our God.
If you want to stay poor, be my guest. Though I would not wish it upon you. I believe as a child of God, I am prosperous in every area of my life, not just in my wealth. But God's blessings do cover that part as I have already stated.
The conditions to our prosperity are simple, the consequences for not obeying God's ways are also simple just continue reading past deut 28. It goes on for about 3 chapters of curses.
I am sick....but I am christian....and I am not rich.....
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Yes, numbers can mean a lot. But we can never know the quality of these numbers.Originally posted by Icemoon:I'm concerned about ratings just as mega-church pastors are concerned about membership size.
Even Repented John 2 agrees that numbers is [almost] everything. Numbers can even elevate a pastor to a prophet.
No wonder FireIce moderates the two highest rating forum in SGF. She can close and ban. The rest of us cannot.
PS: by the way, do come to my humble Forbidden City to help increase the rating.
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this is correct. can I give you a kissOriginally posted by Icemoon:no wait .. I think you misunderstood Unker Eng. He was more troubled about your inconsistency and contradictory arguments.
actually, I am quite amused that when brey's agitated, he starts calling me "old man". This has been done before, and not in a friendly manner too... hmm.... -
Well, if you need to know, the worship service I am in has lots of rituals, including one where an Acolyte comes in to light the candle, and at end of the service this Acolyte also need to snuff the candle out and carry the light out of the sanctuary.... maybe heretical tooOriginally posted by breytonhartge:have you ever been part of the RC church? served in it? done the catechism? if so, then you should know what I speak about when I speak about the RC church.
If not, then I suggest that you go do some reading up of your own.
The issue is not about airing our beliefs, but the claim that such beliefs are given by the HS. As I'd said to you before, take away that line, it remains as your personal belief, put in that line, then nothing to argue or discuss already.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Nope, you got it wrong again. Like you yourself have said, all of us have our beliefs, we air them, so you don't like what I say, then you deal with it. The fact that the RC church is heretical is a well known one, and one that has been around for a long time, I have not spoken any different.
As I'd said before to you, note the black box on top of your name, the one the says MODERATOR. A Moderator moderates. As defined by the dictionary, a moderator is:Originally posted by breytonhartge:Well we have many others here calling the charismatic churches heretical, I don't see you making a song and dance about it? So why pick on me? Now you are being inconsistent.
One that moderates, as:
One that arbitrates or mediates.
One who presides over a meeting, forum, or debate.
Remove that title, and you can say what you see fit, frothing in the mouth and all. With the title, you are not doing it well. You are neither arbitrating nor are you mediating.
Is Chin Eng that inconsistent.... well I leave it to all the other forumites to judge. But I guess we all know that answer already, don't we? -
You notice that only those who believe in baseless claims are interested in Dan Brown? The rest of the world are like: Dan Brown who?Originally posted by Icemoon:And to Dan Brown .. he has the truth.
or they take Dan Brown like Rowlings
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already said it's forbidden city mah. How we go in?Originally posted by Icemoon:.
PS: by the way, do come to my humble Forbidden City to help increase the rating. 
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Hello!!! i tink we have deviated from the topic here...i started tis thread to discuss abt cultic beliefs n practices...nt to judge each other abt our christian faith....can we pls focus on the cults intead of hitting fellow christians wif our doctrinal stands? can we put our differences aside n focus on the common enemy who is out cause division?
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You can only call someone else a "cult" if you possess "scientific" truths. Otherwise, there is no stopping someone else from believing anything and interprete it in any way they want.Originally posted by despondent:Hello!!! i tink we have deviated from the topic here...i started tis thread to discuss abt cultic beliefs n practices...nt to judge each other abt our christian faith....can we pls focus on the cults intead of hitting fellow christians wif our doctrinal stands? can we put our differences aside n focus on the common enemy who is out cause division?
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Actually, the back to the hebraic roots and teh health and wealth gospel is not inconsistent, if you read the bible carefully, you will see that these things, like health and wealth are for us through out the whole of the bible even from the OT, they have always been God's plan for His children, are we not His children? Did not paul preach that we have been made partakers of the abrahamic promises and covenant through our faith? So how is this inconsistent?Originally posted by Chin Eng:I don't get it, brey, you obviously are into the back-to-the-Jewish tradition thing with your retorts, but yet your support with the health and wealth gospel of NCC and the festivities the NCC has (telecast on national TV on Christmas eve with Joe Prince single carols, mind you) is strong. This is so inconsistent. -
and for that I apologise.Originally posted by Chin Eng:this is correct. can I give you a kiss
actually, I am quite amused that when brey's agitated, he starts calling me "old man". This has been done before, and not in a friendly manner too... hmm....
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Can! if you don't mind being a brokeback old man.Originally posted by Chin Eng:this is correct. can I give you a kiss
actually, I am quite amused that when brey's agitated, he starts calling me "old man". This has been done before, and not in a friendly manner too... hmm.... -
If you ask NT2 or Brey or Repented John 2, Catholicism to them is cultic.Originally posted by despondent:Hello!!! i tink we have deviated from the topic here...i started tis thread to discuss abt cultic beliefs n practices...nt to judge each other abt our christian faith....can we pls focus on the cults intead of hitting fellow christians wif our doctrinal stands? can we put our differences aside n focus on the common enemy who is out cause division? -
I think if you ask a sociology professsor, Christianity itself is cultic?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:If you ask NT2 or Brey, Catholicism to them is cultic. -
yeah hor. lol.Originally posted by Icemoon:I think if you ask a sociology professsor, Christianity itself is cultic? -
do some research, delve into what you believe in. Study what the RC churches teach and their doctrinal stand and compare that to the bible, and then make your conclusion. Even Ironside who is known to be consistent and a strong christian, says that the RC church is wrong.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:If you ask NT2 or Brey or Repented John 2, Catholicism to them is cultic. -
Ah... compare that to the bible.... a contoversial document at best; full of inconsistancies... open to interpretations.... GJudas;GThomas left out because does not fit in with the mainstream thinking and so the only conlusion must be?Originally posted by breytonhartge:do some research, delve into what you believe in. Study what the RC churches teach and their doctrinal stand and compare that to the bible, and then make your conclusion. Even Ironside who is known to be consistent and a strong christian, says that the RC church is wrong. -
A consistent and strong protestant you mean?Originally posted by breytonhartge:do some research, delve into what you believe in. Study what the RC churches teach and their doctrinal stand and compare that to the bible, and then make your conclusion. Even Ironside who is known to be consistent and a strong christian, says that the RC church is wrong.
I rather put my money where the right authority is. I rather trust in those who have their authority from Christ, rather in 'pastors' or 'prophets'. The words of rebels cannot be believed. -
you are then still only putting your money on people who can err. I think it is better if you put your money on the WORD of God.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:A consistent and strong protestant you mean?
I rather put my money where the right authority is. I rather trust in those who have their authority from Christ, rather in 'pastors' or 'prophets'. The words of rebels cannot be believed.
BTW, what makes the bishops, the pope etc have better authority than the pastors etc? Are they not human as well? Who ordained them? Did God physically come down and say I ordain you to be my representative, did the Spirit of God fall on them like a dove like when Yeshua got baptised and before He began His ministry? Did any voice from heaven say these are my ordained bishops, deacons, this is my ordained pope?
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So the RC's are the only true christians???Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:A consistent and strong protestant you mean? -
So those who think Christmas and Easter are only for pagans are the only true Christians?Originally posted by breytonhartge:So the RC's are the only true christians??? -
Unbelievable... a debate on who's fantasy and imagination is "more" correct.