Pastor Prince is a false prophet?
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He signed up to support the CRO!Originally posted by breytonhartge:wah, you signed up just to post this??
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And what makes you so sure that you are right? Me thinks as well, like the holy communion thing and the smoking thing, all blown out of proportion by people who have no discernment. The Holy communion thing was shared by a member of the congregation about how his family member was healed by taking the holy communion, the fact that he improvised is one that should not even be harped on. God can work miracles inspite of our human failings.Originally posted by Repented John 2:Well is he a false prophet? I consider him bothering on heresy & apostasy. He is on very dangerous ground. I like his entertaining & encouraging sermons but there are loopholes in his theology & the exegesis of the verses. I agree we are saved by grace thru faith but other elements of what he preached are bothering on heresy or error in doctrine.
So what if he is right on the grace part? He is wrong on other parts. He thinks his experience applies to everyone but not so. Experience could be wrong anyway. I find he skips certain verses & cannot explain others well. He tries to link all to grace which i find ok but overdoes it sometimes. Sometimes he gives his own ridiculous twist to the scripture.
So if a prophet is right on one part but wrong on others, he is a false prophet & can slowly lead to error & apostasy. It can slowly creep in & destroy the faith of many or twist their understanding of the bible. I have left NCC already for good. Yes, undeserved grace is good. But with God's grace, come the responsibility of living a life that is right before God & men. Anyway, does God say salvation is forever even if one sins greatly? There are many verses saying not so.
One eg of heresy brought up by NT2 was the Holy Communion heresy. I have a friend who told me use plain water also can. If Prince is wrong on one part, he is not a true prophet of God.
Also he subscribes to the WOF heresy, where one can pray for anything one wants & get them, so long as he confesses right & believes he gets it. He also subscribes to the healing & prosperity gospel, a health & wealth preacher. You mean Christians must be healthy & rich & if they are not, they arent good Christians or even Christians at all? You mean God could give you all the health & wealth you can imagine & pray for & believe for?
I know i will get bombarded for this but i will like to hear your comments.
Also, can you claim that you can explain all the verses in the bible well? Are you so sure that you have all the right answers to the biblical verses? Ps prince speaks at the level of understanding which God has given him, you mean you are better?
So what is wrong with Christians being materially well off? We are the blessed of the Lord! Does it mean that just because you are a Christian, you have to be poor? Many people just hear the first part, and then they switch off, but then do they hear the second part of Ps princes sermon, he also talks about the conditions that God sets for us to be blessed. And also, he talks about God's will being done and not our own. I think ps prince has a clear revelation of what it means to be prosperous. This does not just include wealth, but in our relationships, in our health, our mental psyche etc. If were were not meant to be blessed, why then would God tell us so?
Health and wealth are our rights as children of God. Even the bible says so. So how is Ps Prince preaching heresy? -
Hi WCO,Originally posted by worldcupofficial:having been to NCC, and hearing from PP's mouth directly, i agree that there's a clear "something wrong" with his preaching.
i don't think i'd wanna launch into some very incise and deep long-drawn debate / discussion / rant about this, but i personally feel that there's a clear reason for why people who have heard him in church may have doubts.
it's pretty much as simple as "if there are doubts, ,leave it out". it IS quite sad that the style PP uses in NCC is pretty much that of "fun and entertainment" (i came to that conclusion on my 1st visit)
for sure there will be all kinds of detractors and also people who will back PP up. (well, his church is thousands strong, for starters!) but i think we also need to remember that not every 1 in EVERY church is saved.
thankfully the NCC isn't under scrutiny for reasons of which were once highlighted a few years ago in TNP , but still, i guess- NCC is by no means a conservative church.
So that's my 2 pence worth.
-WCO
just wonder if you are still attending NCC, if not, have you find a good church to settle in? I would hope that you are able to find one that you are comfortable in that you may continue to grow with the Lord (I am assuming you have accepted the Lord).
Don't worry, there are plenty of other good churches in Singapore, hope you can find one that suits your needs.
God bless.
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The problem is that charismatic pastors *love* to claim revelation from Jesus. Things like:Originally posted by breytonhartge:Like I said in another thread, not all the pastors get it right all the time, and even in some of the less radical churches, they will say things that are not quite right... especially certain churches which I will not go into as well. We all take as much as God allows us revelation for and we grow step by step, at different point in our walk with God we can accept a certain level of teaching.
"I saw Jesus last night"
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True, when this happens, what are we to do?Originally posted by Icemoon:The problem is that charismatic pastors *love* to claim revelation from Jesus. Things like:
"I saw Jesus last night"
"God told me .. "
follow what the Bereans did when Paul was preaching to them, check against the scriptures.
If what is being said is different, then reject it.
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And I believe that God has told me things too. In fact I know He has spoken to me clearly about certain situations that I am in. So does that make me a heretic?Originally posted by Icemoon:The problem is that charismatic pastors *love* to claim revelation from Jesus. Things like:
"I saw Jesus last night"
"God told me .. "
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If what's said is different, then who is the liar? God or the pastor?Originally posted by vince69:True, when this happens, what are we to do?
follow what the Bereans did when Paul was preaching to them, check against the scriptures.
If what is being said is different, then reject it.
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Prince even dreamt of seeing God in the clouds, machiam like vision of Eziekel .. did you xp that?Originally posted by breytonhartge:And I believe that God has told me things too. In fact I know He has spoken to me clearly about certain situations that I am in. So does that make me a heretic?
I remember Prince metioned seeing the face of Jesus. -
actually I have had this dream too when I saw God/Jesus face to face, i thought, surely I am asleep, this occured when I first became a Christian, so does that make me heretical? I even had a vision where I saw all the false antichrists and when they would appear and Jesus even said to me when He would come again, but I have forgotten the times and dates... so what does that make me?Originally posted by Icemoon:Prince even dreamt of seeing God in the clouds, machiam like vision of Eziekel .. did you xp that?
I remember Prince metioned seeing the face of Jesus.
I have seen demons, I have had attacks, so I am heretical huh?
Even that controversial book Heaven is so Real, the author claims to have seen so many things Jesus showed her. Is she just another heretic? -
You mean you have never?Originally posted by Icemoon:Prince even dreamt of seeing God in the clouds, machiam like vision of Eziekel .. did you xp that?
I remember Prince metioned seeing the face of Jesus. -
It is ok to have dreams.Originally posted by breytonhartge:actually I have had this dream too when I saw God/Jesus face to face, i thought, surely I am asleep, this occured when I first became a Christian, so does that make me heretical? I even had a vision where I saw all the false antichrists and when they would appear and Jesus even said to me when He would come again, but I have forgotten the times and dates... so what does that make me?
I have seen demons, I have had attacks, so I am heretical huh?
Even that controversial book Heaven is so Real, the author claims to have seen so many things Jesus showed her. Is she just another heretic?
But it is another thing to suggest they are indeed revelation from God. -
You mean you have? So how does He look like?Originally posted by breytonhartge:You mean you have never? -
breytonhartge, cool down..
I went to NCC with my girlfriend now my wife. I was from FCBC.
When I was there, I was unimpressed at the high fashions of the choir, the suits they were wearing, PP's view of christians being rich. I was in a turmoil.
But I listened. This PP got sense. One thing about him is his down to earth. Yes, he makes the 2-3 hours of sitting there enjoyable, but there is some sense to what he said.
For me, I don't wish to judge whether he is or not a false prophet for that is not my job but God's one. And to argue here, I don't think that it is good for anyone.
Have your own personal relationship with God, and do a quick check with him. If you feel comfortable, stay with PP. If you feel uncomfortable, go to another. Find one. Why there is so many churches around? Well, God loves varieties.
But all roads leads to Jesus, and that crucial.
To me, PP is someone blessed by God to share his message. My family are comfortable with what he has to share and we stay. We are not bothered by how many thousands are here or not. What's you want is critical.
Spend time talking about someone or just enjoying God's presence.
I choose the latter anytime. -
Do pastors go through any official training or get any form of qualification before preaching?
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Those who grad from theological college certianly do.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Do pastors go through any official training or get any form of qualification before preaching? -
The choir high fashion meh? I thought FCBC one more impressive?Originally posted by iceFatboy:breytonhartge, cool down..
I went to NCC with my girlfriend now my wife. I was from FCBC.
When I was there, I was unimpressed at the high fashions of the choir, the suits they were wearing, PP's view of christians being rich. I was in a turmoil.
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Have you really been to FCBC???Originally posted by Icemoon:The choir high fashion meh? I thought FCBC one more impressive? 
FC high fashion? Impressive???
Then you should have gone to Lighthouse. -
one more, CHCOriginally posted by M©+square:Have you really been to FCBC???
FC high fashion? Impressive???
Then you should have gone to Lighthouse.
actually, all of them are about the same -
Yeah i missed out CHC.Originally posted by vince69:one more, CHC
actually, all of them are about the same -
I've been there, even went to their Suntec exhibition hall one.Originally posted by M©+square:Have you really been to FCBC???
FC high fashion? Impressive???
Then you should have gone to Lighthouse.
They got a choir like the other two and they have singers.
I have high praise for FCBC's worship. The songs they choose and their effort at bilingualism is amazing. -
yes, but not to the same bible college, theological school, or seminaries... etc.Originally posted by Honeybunz:Do pastors go through any official training or get any form of qualification before preaching? -
I think I am cool. But yes, I agree with you, I would choose the latter anytime too. God Bless.Originally posted by iceFatboy:breytonhartge, cool down..
I went to NCC with my girlfriend now my wife. I was from FCBC.
When I was there, I was unimpressed at the high fashions of the choir, the suits they were wearing, PP's view of christians being rich. I was in a turmoil.
But I listened. This PP got sense. One thing about him is his down to earth. Yes, he makes the 2-3 hours of sitting there enjoyable, but there is some sense to what he said.
For me, I don't wish to judge whether he is or not a false prophet for that is not my job but God's one. And to argue here, I don't think that it is good for anyone.
Have your own personal relationship with God, and do a quick check with him. If you feel comfortable, stay with PP. If you feel uncomfortable, go to another. Find one. Why there is so many churches around? Well, God loves varieties.
But all roads leads to Jesus, and that crucial.
To me, PP is someone blessed by God to share his message. My family are comfortable with what he has to share and we stay. We are not bothered by how many thousands are here or not. What's you want is critical.
Spend time talking about someone or just enjoying God's presence.
I choose the latter anytime.
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CHC's worship sucks big time.Originally posted by vince69:one more, CHC
actually, all of them are about the same
Sadly NCC's worship is also going into that direction.
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I love their Mandarin service. Old people singing and praising.Originally posted by Icemoon:I've been there, even went to their Suntec exhibition hall one.
They got a choir like the other two and they have singers.
I have high praise for FCBC's worship. The songs they choose and their effort at bilingualism is amazing. 
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what do you think, God can lie or be wrong?Originally posted by Icemoon:If what's said is different, then who is the liar? God or the pastor?
basic,
Scripture as the foundation and absolute authority.
4 things can result
1) You are right, pastor is wrong
2) You are wrong, pastor is right
3) Both are wrong
4) Both are right (could be just looking at different aspect/direction of things)
so how?
personally this is how I would have done as 1st step, send an email to church, and seek clarification (may not work for others, lets each decide his own action).
God Bless.