Of course the USA is in worse shape than EU. The latter has a higher standard of human rights. Scandinavia is a testament to that.Originally posted by laurence82:Our government?
Remind me of the odd statements made here and there, where some chaps will say the Europeans are prospering because they have large Christian majority etc etc
But facts dont show this, else how to explain for Brazil, the Philippines, or even Armenia? I dare say there is no correlations between economic prosperity and spirituality
USA is in even worse shape than Europe.
Anyway, you watched V for Vendetta?
Well depends thoughOriginally posted by Chin Eng:So really, it is a no-win situation where such politicians are concern. Don't enforce, folks will say: wah, you Christian meh? Enforce, folks will say, why you force your religious values on me? I want to gamble what, my money what!
Yeah.... but we are not talking about Christian preachers but Christian politicians.Originally posted by laurence82:Well depends though
Its akin to a Christian preacher who preached against lustful acts strongly and a bit on the extreme side, and were found to commit the sin itself, compared with a Christian who commit such sin but do not preach.
Its like the first to cast stone must be sinless concept thingie.
Hehe... Not gambling eh? I will also go to IR to try out the entertainment facilities there. But will they have topless shows like Las Vegas? I wish they can don't collect entrance fees for jackpot machines, so i can play with them. Hehe...Originally posted by Chin Eng:Yup, like those at Vegas.... like US$10 for a eat all you want. They make enough money at the tables, so the buffet is to entice the visitors to stay longer.
He has an IQ of only 90.Originally posted by laurence82:Actually, shouldnt
George Bush played the religion card, and got the support from Christian conservatives during the elections, but look what kind of president they got..
Where got oppressive govt? & they are not bras! Do you see govt locking up people like you who say they are oppressive or use bras? NO right!? Can you see the record unemployment in Europe & USA? More than ten percent in some countries! I believe you are a young man & if you are in Italy now, you would be burning tires, throwing molotov cocktails or attacking police or cars or shops etc when the govt you don't like issues a stupid job policy where you can be sacked for no reason under two yrs of employment if you are a youth there!Originally posted by laurence82:Wtf
Your reasoning cannot be used leh. We got oppressive gabrament, economic properity is a sham now that they are desperate for casinon to move in to shore up the economic growth, and what happen to failed investments abroad?
Seriously, i dont see a very real link between economic prosperity and spirituality. Its not like the researches they done where there is a correlation between countries using common laws and economic wellbeing.
You are going against the Religious Harmony Act where you purported to support & where you threaten me & others when we bring up sensitive issues abt Christianity & the nation! ARE YOU BACKPEDALING OR ARE YOU HIDING BEHIND YOUR AGENDA?Originally posted by laurence82:Hey, its actually back to the topic and to the article i posted.
So, if the Christians are as faithful as they make themselves to be, why no petition for Tharman to include Creationism in the textbooks? Shouldnt the Christian population be exhorting Creationism?
A biggie issue here..
There you go again. Are you trying to make Christians contravene the RHA so you have some exciting things to see in Singapore?Originally posted by laurence82:Yeap wussy parents
Yes that is the issue. Our government is a secular one, where it wont support any specific faith on its own. So the issue is, if people are as faithful as they made themselves to be, shouldnt they be exhorting against things that are against their values, for example IR? Be more assertive than what they are now?
I think, in reality, Christians, now why i keep mentioning Christians is because of the current context, are in sort of half half world, a conundrum, where they have to adhere fully to the Bible, yet living in a very secular world.
These are reasons why i dont trust fundamentallists or preachers, because in reality, they cant practise what they preach, no matter how they can twist the doctrines to suit their interests.
think will have entertainment... topless show don't think will be permitted lah...Originally posted by Raptured:Hehe... Not gambling eh? I will also go to IR to try out the entertainment facilities there. But will they have topless shows like Las Vegas? I wish they can don't collect entrance fees for jackpot machines, so i can play with them. Hehe...
Yeah, if Christ still hasnt come back by then, i want to try the theme parks.Originally posted by vince69:think will have entertainment... topless show don't think will be permitted lah...
actually I am looking forward to see the type of theme parks they are gonna to have... could be fun
no, i dont mean pastors, isnt every christian a preacher, in the sense they are supposed to spread the message of god or sumthing too?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Yeah.... but we are not talking about Christian preachers but Christian politicians.
it goes back to the issue of religion and state.... which comes first... and that all-important balance between the two of them....
take me for example... if I am in the PAP, I wouldn't go against the IR issue.
So u mean your neighbour is bashing up his kid, you are allowed continual use of your cane?Originally posted by Raptured:Where got oppressive govt? & they are not bras! Do you see govt locking up people like you who say they are oppressive or use bras? NO right!? Can you see the record unemployment in Europe & USA? More than ten percent in some countries! I believe you are a young man & if you are in Italy now, you would be burning tires, throwing molotov cocktails or attacking police or cars or shops etc when the govt you don't like issues a stupid job policy where you can be sacked for no reason under two yrs of employment if you are a youth there!
PreciselyOriginally posted by Raptured:You are going against the Religious Harmony Act where you purported to support & where you threaten me & others when we bring up sensitive issues abt Christianity & the nation! ARE YOU BACKPEDALING OR ARE YOU HIDING BEHIND YOUR AGENDA?
Yup, here's where I say "chin kan kor". On one hand, Christians are to spread the gospels - sometimes it may be taken as "imposing" one's view. Then when it happens, it is likely that your kind self will say that Christians are pushing their belief. On the other hand, Christians are also thought to need to restrain and not enforce their belief.....Originally posted by laurence82:no, i dont mean pastors, isnt every christian a preacher, in the sense they are supposed to spread the message of god or sumthing too?
Does he really see the danger of gambling or is he trying to be funny?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Yup, here's where I say "chin kan kor". On one hand, Christians are to spread the gospels - sometimes it may be taken as "imposing" one's view. Then when it happens, it is likely that your kind self will say that Christians are pushing their belief. On the other hand, Christians are also thought to need to restrain and not enforce their belief.....
The unfortunate topic here is - you, Lau sees the same danger as Christians in gambling.... had it been another less controversial issue, your opinion to how a Christian politician is to react may be a little different.
Where got neighbour bash up kid? What do you mean? Don't you know child abuse is punished in S'pore? Teachers can't even cane kids nowadays. Kids r so spoilt now by parents. Where got bash up kids?Originally posted by laurence82:So u mean your neighbour is bashing up his kid, you are allowed continual use of your cane?
Greater evil or lesser evil, they are all evil.
CE has answered very well. We try to impose our beliefs then we are accused of intolerance. We keep silent then we are accused of collaborating with the evil policies.Originally posted by laurence82:Precisely
I am so glad u see, where do christians stand in this point?
If i said you contravene the RHA, you say i stamp on your beliefs, if i dont, i am not a good Singapore citizen.
Then how?
I second my support! Or the yellow communist lefties will overtake S'pore!Originally posted by iveco:Yellow leftie needs IP ban.
I agree with you to ban this yellow turban leftie.Originally posted by iveco:Yellow leftie needs IP ban.