Is it a Sin?
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actually, in practical terms, I don't know how this can be done. We have no Christian party in Singapore. All political parties comprise of people of all religion. I am sure the PAP Christians debated a great deal, behind closed doors on these issues. Unfortunately, in a secular government, decisions are made based mainly on profit or for the "greater good".Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:well, its not wrong to gamble, but it should not be encouraged.
to vote for christian politicians who do not take a stand against abortion, or worse still, support it, is to cause a grave scandal to other believers. this is very, very bad.
to say that we should not vote for "for christian politicians who do not take a stand against abortion, or worse still, support it, is to cause a grave scandal to other believers." is wrong, we might as well say that the government is not against divorce. -
Actually, shouldnt
George Bush played the religion card, and got the support from Christian conservatives during the elections, but look what kind of president they got.. -
Will I be had accountible for my vote on Judgement day if i vote against the teachings of my religion?
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i think u think too much. know our Lord Jesus before u continue...Originally posted by Dr Who:Will I be had accountible for my vote on Judgement day if i vote against the teachings of my religion? -
Note that Singapore is blessed by God, this is what pastors like to say anyway.Originally posted by NT2:i think u think too much. know our Lord Jesus before u continue...
So we can conclude God is still satisfied with the government.
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Our government?Originally posted by Icemoon:Note that Singapore is blessed by God, this is what pastors like to say anyway.
So we can conclude God is still satisfied with the government.
Remind me of the odd statements made here and there, where some chaps will say the Europeans are prospering because they have large Christian majority etc etc
But facts dont show this, else how to explain for Brazil, the Philippines, or even Armenia? I dare say there is no correlations between economic prosperity and spirituality
USA is in even worse shape than Europe.
Anyway, you watched V for Vendetta? -
America claims to be Christian.. but many of them are just hypocrites...
Europe does not want to identify itself as Christians. I don't think anyone goes to church anymore. The Muslims are taking over. -
Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Europe does not want to identify itself as Christians. I don't think anyone goes to church anymore. The Muslims are taking over.
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Sorry lor .. but Brazil and Philippines are clearly Catholic countries. Armenia not Protestant also .. I think Orthodox?Originally posted by laurence82:Remind me of the odd statements made here and there, where some chaps will say the Europeans are prospering because they have large Christian majority etc etc
But facts dont show this, else how to explain for Brazil, the Philippines, or even Armenia? I dare say there is no correlations between economic prosperity and spirituality
Only Singapore is prospering 'cos her Christians are pleasing God. Why do I say this?
1. Our Christians are behaving (no gay bishops)
2. Our Christians do us proud (Sun Ho as gospel singer)
3. The church is growing (kudos to charismatic churches)
4. We maintain clear separation of church and state (not like US)
5. We don't follow stupid policies (we promote condoms unlike Philippines)
6. We try to be salt of the Earth (look at our Christian community involvement)
7. We do our part in evangelism (look at our efforts in spreading the gospel overseas)
No watch V for Vendetta. -
Some of the most fervent Christian creationists are based in America. I think there are a lot of Christian fundamentalists in America.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:America claims to be Christian.. but many of them are just hypocrites... -
sounds good and right.Originally posted by Icemoon:Sorry lor .. but Brazil and Philippines are clearly Catholic countries. Armenia not Protestant also .. I think Orthodox?
Only Singapore is prospering 'cos her Christians are pleasing God. Why do I say this?
1. Our Christians are behaving (no gay bishops)
2. Our Christians do us proud (Sun Ho as gospel singer)
3. The church is growing (kudos to charismatic churches)
4. We maintain clear separation of church and state (not like US)
5. We don't follow stupid policies (we promote condoms unlike Philippines)
6. We try to be salt of the Earth (look at our Christian community involvement)
7. We do our part in evangelism (look at our efforts in spreading the gospel overseas)
No watch V for Vendetta.
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Italy, Spain and France also Catholic countries lehOriginally posted by Icemoon:Sorry lor .. but Brazil and Philippines are clearly Catholic countries. Armenia not Protestant also .. I think Orthodox?
Only Singapore is prospering 'cos her Christians are pleasing God. Why do I say this?
1. Our Christians are behaving (no gay bishops)
2. Our Christians do us proud (Sun Ho as gospel singer)
3. The church is growing (kudos to charismatic churches)
4. We maintain clear separation of church and state (not like US)
5. We don't follow stupid policies (we promote condoms unlike Philippines)
6. We try to be salt of the Earth (look at our Christian community involvement)
7. We do our part in evangelism (look at our efforts in spreading the gospel overseas)
No watch V for Vendetta.
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I dont know, but Singapore better than all these countries in the seven pts above, so now the dear old lady is blessed? -
Hmm, I dont see the difference between American or Singapore ChristiansOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:America claims to be Christian.. but many of them are just hypocrites...
Europe does not want to identify itself as Christians. I don't think anyone goes to church anymore. The Muslims are taking over.
Heck, its like pointing the finger at them for looking like ourselves.. -
That's why religious life in these countries are at all time low?Originally posted by laurence82:Italy, Spain and France also Catholic countries leh
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I dont know, but Singapore better than all these countries in the seven pts above, so now the dear old lady is blessed?
Catholic life in France is a sham. It is only because there are miracle sites like Lourdes in France that's why we think France is a Catholic country.
Spain is worse. From train crashes to terrorist attacks, I think they should be more worried about safety than church attendance.
Italy .. hmm .. they should get some credit for harboring the Vatican. -
At least our Christians never ask Tharman to include Creationism in the textbook.Originally posted by laurence82:Hmm, I dont see the difference between American or Singapore Christians
Heck, its like pointing the finger at them for looking like ourselves.. -
Actually the differences can be quite vast. Though I don't have the figures, I believe that the number of people professing to be Christians grow higher as one moves geographical inward or northwards. The great US of A in reality can be a very ulu country inside. Only the coastal states are more upmarket or savvy. Many Americans have not even left their own city, let alone state or country. The general knowledge of an average American is very very bad. One time, while interacting with a bunch of them over there, my knowledge of America is better than all those present.Originally posted by laurence82:Hmm, I dont see the difference between American or Singapore Christians
Heck, its like pointing the finger at them for looking like ourselves..
From the religious stand point, the reason why there are so many tele-evangelist may be due to the fact that travelling a great distance is an issue. That being so, many professing Christians are quite guillible (might be because they are leaving in self-seclusion). Also there is a great diversity in the interpretation of theology church to church. The freedom of speech (fifth amendment?) virtually guarantees that anyone can preach/denounce/proclaim anything they like. -
WtfOriginally posted by Icemoon:That's why religious life in these countries are at all time low?
Catholic life in France is a sham. It is only because there are miracle sites like Lourdes in France that's why we think France is a Catholic country.
Spain is worse. From train crashes to terrorist attacks, I think they should be more worried about safety than church attendance.
Italy .. hmm .. they should get some credit for harboring the Vatican.
Your reasoning cannot be used leh. We got oppressive gabrament, economic properity is a sham now that they are desperate for casinon to move in to shore up the economic growth, and what happen to failed investments abroad?
Seriously, i dont see a very real link between economic prosperity and spirituality. Its not like the researches they done where there is a correlation between countries using common laws and economic wellbeing. -
Yes, George Bush won the elections due to the support of many Christians, conservatives to be exact.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Actually the differences can be quite vast. Though I don't have the figures, I believe that the number of people professing to be Christians grow higher as one moves geographical inward or northwards. The great US of A in reality can be a very ulu country inside. Only the coastal states are more upmarket or savvy. Many Americans have not even left their own city, let alone state or country. The general knowledge of an average American is very very bad. One time, while interacting with a bunch of them over there, my knowledge of America is better than all those present.
From the religious stand point, the reason why there are so many tele-evangelist may be due to the fact that travelling a great distance is an issue. That being so, many professing Christians are quite guillible (might be because they are leaving in self-seclusion). Also there is a great diversity in the interpretation of theology church to church. The freedom of speech (fifth amendment?) virtually guarantees that anyone can preach/denounce/proclaim anything they like.
But then again, going back to the issue, Singapore is blessed then because her Christian population have more knowledge than the American ones? And also, how do we measure faith then? Its back to the question where some gits try to 'judge' the Katrina victims by their faithfulness, or rather, lack of it.
This kind of judgement, i dont want to make. Its more of a self assuring statements about ourselves to make ourselves happy. I rather mull over what i can do for these people. -
Hey, its actually back to the topic and to the article i posted.Originally posted by Icemoon:At least our Christians never ask Tharman to include Creationism in the textbook.
So, if the Christians are as faithful as they make themselves to be, why no petition for Tharman to include Creationism in the textbooks? Shouldnt the Christian population be exhorting Creationism?
A biggie issue here.. -
Our gaberman is not oppressive. I mean it is good they're exerting some control and we don't mind paying the price in return for stability.Originally posted by laurence82:Wtf
Your reasoning cannot be used leh. We got oppressive gabrament, economic properity is a sham now that they are desperate for casinon to move in to shore up the economic growth, and what happen to failed investments abroad?
Seriously, i dont see a very real link between economic prosperity and spirituality. Its not like the researches they done where there is a correlation between countries using common laws and economic wellbeing.
Economic prosperity is a sham? Hey tomorrow you can claim money from your progress package liao!
Failed investments are part and parcel of business. Which big company never have failed investments before? -
Oh no.... I'd never say that Singapore is more blessed because of the Christian population. I was only saying that demographically (plus theologically) US and Singapore Christians are different.Originally posted by laurence82:Yes, George Bush won the elections due to the support of many Christians, conservatives to be exact.
But then again, going back to the issue, Singapore is blessed then because her Christian population have more knowledge than the American ones? And also, how do we measure faith then? Its back to the question where some gits try to 'judge' the Katrina victims by their faithfulness, or rather, lack of it.
It might sound extremely partisan in this current politically climate, but I think that PAP government can take credit for at least some of the successes.
I also don't want to make.... because it is a double-edged. If I say that I am wealthy because I am blessed, I am also saying (non-verbally) those who are poor are not blessed.Originally posted by laurence82:This kind of judgement, i dont want to make. Its more of a self assuring statements about ourselves to make ourselves happy. I rather mull over what i can do for these people. -
Nope. The Christian population should be promoting science and technology and at the same time lending voice to debates on ethics and morality.Originally posted by laurence82:Hey, its actually back to the topic and to the article i posted.
So, if the Christians are as faithful as they make themselves to be, why no petition for Tharman to include Creationism in the textbooks? Shouldnt the Christian population be exhorting Creationism?
A biggie issue here..
The practical reason is this - now is teach less learn more, why you want to add to the syllabus leh? -
>.Originally posted by Icemoon:Our gaberman is not oppressive. I mean it is good they're exerting some control and we don't mind paying the price in return for stability.
Economic prosperity is a sham? Hey tomorrow you can claim money from your progress package liao!
Failed investments are part and parcel of business. Which big company never have failed investments before?
Yeah, u gian 700 dollars meh? I dont...
Of course companies have failures. But pray, which of Temasek Holdings overseas venture is a resounding success?
i think peeps over at Speaker Corner is baying for blood now...
I am glad u are happy with the current conditions, but the way i see it, we are stagnating, we are mere satisfied with our status quo, but i wish we can move on..but ah well -
Some actually tried - at least not on the creationism issue. Some Christians parents were offended because the word "witch" appeared in some English primary school books. Some kids just have wussy parents.Originally posted by laurence82:Hey, its actually back to the topic and to the article i posted.
So, if the Christians are as faithful as they make themselves to be, why no petition for Tharman to include Creationism in the textbooks? Shouldnt the Christian population be exhorting Creationism?
A biggie issue here..
The creationism issue? Won't happen lah. US government's public face is a Christian one eg the "In God We Trust" phrase in the dollar bills. Our government's is still more secular. -
No lar, i never say you make the statement, i was saying generally, as the topic goes.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Oh no.... I'd never say that Singapore is more blessed because of the Christian population. I was only saying that demographically (plus theologically) US and Singapore Christians are different.
It might sound extremely partisan in this current politically climate, but I think that PAP government can take credit for at least some of the successes.
Besides, the PAP is very secular in nature. I am not sure whether its a good example to use in a context like in EH.