Holy Communion Heresy
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this is how i thought of,
if really this is what they are teaching, then better examine among their church.
"Not many of you should presume to be teachers, my brothers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." - James 3:1
He tells us that the person who teach are at even more tougher position as they are accountable to whatever they teach according to the authority given by God. -
haha.. selling of communion... to you guys its only bread right...
today very funny. my friend ask, why must be bread and wine, why cannot use prata and curry?
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huh? wat bread only right?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:haha.. selling of communion... to you guys its only bread right...
today very funny. my friend ask, why must be bread and wine, why cannot use prata and curry?
why bread and wine..because these 2 r the 'Tu Chan' of Israel mah.
if Jesus is a Chinese maybe we have Kong Ba Bao and Kong Ba sauce?
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one way to hold the Holy Communion in high regard is the use of communion wares. The bread and wine although are common food available in the supermart but the usage of distinct vessels to hold them will help us to differentiate the Eucharist from a normal secular meal.
In most churches, they use elaborate communion ware to communicate this idea.
Ciborium and Chalice used in Holy Communion. -
It is indeed sad that sometimes during our bouts of depression we forget the tenets of the gospel. In the case of salvation, we must constantly reminded that it is an internal and personal decision. Nothing anyone else can ever do can provide any individual with salvation.Originally posted by NT2:i heard news fr my church that months ago a member started to baptise her mum who is seriously ill with water at the hospital without the mother personally giving her the consent or in any ways confess her faith.
Then after that, she requested the church pastor to go down to the hospital to give her HC. Due to the way the denomination functions, HC is not given to people that are not christians and not baptised so asked her and realise she baptise the mother while she in coma and now asking for HC.
The pastor refused to go down to give HC but rather want to find out what is tt misusing of sacraments all about. pastoral visit and prayer is fine. But administering of HC is no.
Some folks even dress up a funeral like a Christian one even though the deceased is a non-Christian....
Heard a comment from a funeral director: do you want to do the funeral for the dead or for the living.... poignant comment.... -
hmm...true. funeral rites and sacraments do not save a person. It is the personal confession of faith resulting in the person receiving the sacraments that matters.Originally posted by Chin Eng:It is indeed sad that sometimes during our bouts of depression we forget the tenets of the gospel. In the case of salvation, we must constantly reminded that it is an internal and personal decision. Nothing anyone else can ever do can provide any individual with salvation.
Some folks even dress up a funeral like a Christian one even though the deceased is a non-Christian....
Heard a comment from a funeral director: do you want to do the funeral for the dead or for the living.... poignant comment.... -
i second diehard's opinion.Originally posted by sgdiehard:"....Jesus took bread, gave thanks and broke it, ...'take and eat; this is my body.' Then he took the cup, ....'Drink from it. all of you. This is my blood of the covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins." Matthew 26:26 - 29
""...'this is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me....this cup is the new covenant in my blood, do this, whenever you drink it ,in remembrance of me. For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes." 1 Cor.
What Jesus said when he instituted the Holy Communion, and what Paul said to the Corithians is clear. Holy Communion is to remember the the body of Christ that was broken for us, the covenant of the blood that was shed for us, and we eat and drink this cup to proclaim the Lord's death till he comes. It is not my opinion, it is what Jesus said.
Nothing is said about the power to heal , like the "bronze snake" that Moses put up to heal those bitten by snake?
God may choose to heal us when we confessed our sins in our daily devotion, or after a prayer in a fellowship or CG meeting, or after partaking in a Holy Communion. But that does not mean daily devotion, fellowship or CG meetings or Holy Communion have healing power. The power to heal is with God. This is not just my opinion, what is what I firmly believe.
To preach the power of healing in Holy Communion to the extent of using milo and biscuits for Holy Communion at a patient's bedside is Heresy.
Next time the church can sell the wine and the bread meant for Holy Communion to members as health supplements.
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Some charismatics are obsessed with divine healing....
Heresy. -
Correction? Obsession with any 'thing' is a heresy.Originally posted by SocialOutcast:Some charismatics are obsessed with divine healing....
Heresy. -
anymore input?
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clearly the majority of the people here reject Eucharistic healing... I will stand down for now.
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y?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:clearly the majority of the people here reject Eucharistic healing... I will stand down for now.
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Obsession with bible leh?Originally posted by M©+square:Correction? Obsession with any 'thing' is a heresy. -
haiz..Originally posted by NT2:y? -
Obsession with bible and not the essence of the Word?Originally posted by Honeybunz:Obsession with bible leh?
Obsession with the bible and not God Himself?
Balance. -
what does it mean to be obsessed with the bible?Originally posted by Honeybunz:Obsession with bible leh?
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a person whoOriginally posted by sgdiehard:what does it mean to be obsessed with the bible? 
suka suka throw up verses to justify his beliefs? takes every verse at face value, refusing to cross check or examine contextual implications? spiritualise every single thing in the Bible, even though some verses are written with just pure facts?
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thanks.Originally posted by Chin Eng:a person who suka suka throw up verses to justify his beliefs? takes every verse at face value, refusing to cross check or examine contextual implications? spiritualise every single thing in the Bible, even though some verses are written with just pure facts?
.... just some guesses.... 
in other words, the Bible in its physical form, is not spiritual; the Bible, being the full and final revelation of God to men, should be read as God's revelation to each and everyone of us and the verses and words are not to be taken out of context.
The firm belief in the Bible as the words of God, the absolute respect of the Bible as our foundation to our faith should not be taken as obsession.
a bit jialat, to explain how to be serious but not obsessed....
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yup, the Bible in it's physical form is just an ordinary book.... apparently even Gandhi has read it.Originally posted by sgdiehard:thanks.
in other words, the Bible in its physical form, is not spiritual; the Bible, being the full and final revelation of God to men, should be read as God's revelation to each and everyone of us and the verses and words are not to be taken out of context.
The firm belief in the Bible as the words of God, the absolute respect of the Bible as our foundation to our faith should not be taken as obsession.
a bit jialat, to explain how to be serious but not obsessed....
To give an example of how a plan piece of information is twisted (or spiritualised)..... churches attempting to follow Paul's "tentmaking" ministry.... Paul was a tentmaking ie, he makes tents and sells tents. To spiritualise it is to say that tentmaking is a ministry that involves planting churches. In itself, planting church is not only not wrong, but a worthwhile ministry, but to spiritualise it using Paul's occupation as an example is totally wrong.
Another example, the disciples met in cells therefore we should also meet as cells. Again, the CG ministry is a worthwhile ministry but to use the examples in Acts is also an attempt to spiritualise a logistical and cultural behaviour, that being, there was no formalised church at the times of the Apostles.
I will share with what I feel the Bible is: it is the word of God, but I will not use it indiscriminately (which is why I almost never quote scripture in EH). To use it as a weapon to whack each other up is disrespectful to the intent of scripture. When I use it, I always attempt to clarify any interpretative errors, or limitation of the English language, or provide a background of the passage...... and I will never ever say that my view is the right view. -
so all religious pple are heretics.Originally posted by M©+square:Correction? Obsession with any 'thing' is a heresy.
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Originally posted by hisoka:so all religious pple are heretics. You go figure out?
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no idea i don't even know the difference between heretics who use the bible and all the myraid of divisions under the umbrell aod christianityOriginally posted by M©+square: You go figure out? -
Originally posted by hisoka:no idea i don't even know the difference between heretics who use the bible and all the myraid of divisions under the umbrell aod christianity
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hahhaOriginally posted by Chin Eng:a person who suka suka throw up verses to justify his beliefs? takes every verse at face value, refusing to cross check or examine contextual implications? spiritualise every single thing in the Bible, even though some verses are written with just pure facts?
.... just some guesses....
Agree agree... though tt's your "just some guesses", but it's my clear observation and facts. -
Fully agree with what you said about 'tentmaking' and 'cell group'. I have even heard some christians said that all christians group should be "cell" group cause 'cell' has life, and if 'cell' does not grow then there is something wrong.Originally posted by Chin Eng:yup, the Bible in it's physical form is just an ordinary book.... apparently even Gandhi has read it.
To give an example of how a plan piece of information is twisted (or spiritualised)..... churches attempting to follow Paul's "tentmaking" ministry.... Paul was a tentmaking ie, he makes tents and sells tents. To spiritualise it is to say that tentmaking is a ministry that involves planting churches. In itself, planting church is not only not wrong, but a worthwhile ministry, but to spiritualise it using Paul's occupation as an example is totally wrong.
Another example, the disciples met in cells therefore we should also meet as cells. Again, the CG ministry is a worthwhile ministry but to use the examples in Acts is also an attempt to spiritualise a logistical and cultural behaviour, that being, there was no formalised church at the times of the Apostles.
I will share with what I feel the Bible is: it is the word of God, but I will not use it indiscriminately (which is why I almost never quote scripture in EH). To use it as a weapon to whack each other up is disrespectful to the intent of scripture. When I use it, I always attempt to clarify any interpretative errors, or limitation of the English language, or provide a background of the passage...... and I will never ever say that my view is the right view.
But I do quote from the Bible, not indiscriminately of couse. Certain verses in the Bible are not subject to different interpretation. "...gave his only begotten son...." there is no doubt Jesus is the son of God and there should have no other different interpretation. Certain words of comfort, such as "the Lord is my shepherd I shall not want...." is a lot more comforting than any other words man can use. I guess the intention of quoting from the Bible is important.