Holy Communion Heresy
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why the thing called heresy not another branch of christianity??
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NT2,Originally posted by NT2:my case be presented soon.
i refuse to present now so as not to influence ppl with my thinking. i could be wrong for all u know
you do know that in your post when you label the article as rubbish and the contents as heresy, you are already influencing others into going into 'witch hunting', do you? I do hope you can present your case very soon.
Icemoon,
If one is to go read the article, with the thoughts/preassumption that there are heretic teaching in there, is consider 'witch hunting'. then everything is seen under this assumption can be heretical in nature, its called reading behind a 'coloured glass'. -
NT2,
I think you have to justify your POV and your very sweeping statement.
I do agree with vince that by saying what you have said, you have coloured this topic with a biasness.
Hope you can give a good explanation rather than just "go to the bible".
God Bless
Brey -
huh how this bt this one when my friend send me..i am really confuse especially the head title then look again at psalm...so which is which..
will not be angry or slow to angry...and that guy get me the tape sigh emphaise alot on the front part9with loud voice)...then later of the msg (soft)...
God would not be angry with you, nor rebuke you
"For this is like the waters of Noah to Me;
For as I have sworn
That the waters of Noah would no longer cover the earth,
So have I sworn
That I would not be angry with you, nor rebuke you.
For the mountains shall depart
And the hills be removed,
But My kindness shall not depart from you,
Nor shall My covenant of peace be removed,"
Says the LORD, who has mercy on you.
Isaiah 54:9-10
The Covenant with Noah
This covenant was God's promise not to flood the world again
God gave the rainbow as a sign of He won't destroy the world
with a flood again
God even sworn in this covenant He would not be angry with
you, nor rebuke you
God don't have to swear, the word of God are eternal truth;
not subjected to change
He also can't lie
God sworn for our sake, because you may not put your full
trust in trust Him for this
He wants us to have assurance of this
If you believe sometimes He's angry when you sin, it will
affect your relationship with God
The LORD is gracious and full of compassion,
Slow to anger and great in mercy.
Psalm 145:8 -
from my pov it is teaching confusion rather than clear explaintation ...and only heresy preaching can do that as the 1tim1:1-4(nkv)(from greek)(forgotten what is word for it)...they teach no other doctrine ...which mean they know of the bible very clearly...
just like advisterment fm93.8 on tV....about the fat boy playing tennis... -
vince69 you work for ncc har..didn't you need to attend scv today
(sigh won't bite the hand that feed you..lol even it feed you with rotten and bad food do you?) -
svc, not scv
I kept thinking that there is a teleevangelism channel on SCV
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Actually I don't quite agree with you. Christians are quite polarized about important practices in the bible, and Holy Communion is one.Originally posted by vince69:Icemoon,
If one is to go read the article, with the thoughts/preassumption that there are heretic teaching in there, is consider 'witch hunting'. then everything is seen under this assumption can be heretical in nature, its called reading behind a 'coloured glass'.
If you are sort of lao jiao, you'd already have your own view on the matter. I believe Ironside, CE, sgMacross, fandango (where is this guy?) etc. already have their own strong views on the issue.
The irony is some new jiao from the more charismatic churches are already so influenced in church that they have strong views on the issue too. (their strong views come from the church, not from reading the bible) -
How come only NCC supporters are making noise leh?Originally posted by breytonhartge:NT2,
I think you have to justify your POV and your very sweeping statement.
I do agree with vince that by saying what you have said, you have coloured this topic with a biasness.
Hope you can give a good explanation rather than just "go to the bible".
God Bless
Brey
I'll like to see what sgFish and babyvs have to say .. -
U not from NCC meh?Originally posted by Icemoon:How come only NCC supporters are making noise leh?
I'll like to see what sgFish and babyvs have to say .. -
I just prefer it over CHC that's all. The people there also gave me a good impression.Originally posted by laurence82:U not from NCC meh?
Anyway long time never go midweek liao. -
witch hunter???
no just practice what is discerment...even ps jo pr..oso mention before don't swallow whatever he teach...i think you shall have rem it.. -
I am not supporting NCC in anyway, I just want NT2 to give a better account of why he thinks that this is heresy.Originally posted by Icemoon:How come only NCC supporters are making noise leh?
I'll like to see what sgFish and babyvs have to say ..
The problem with what NT2 is doing is he has already polarized the view of anyone who will read the article.
If he had just posted the article and asked for comments before making his own, that might have been more acceptable I think.
Then a proper debate could have grown out of there. -
To make matters worse, I see some yellow-bellied fool coming in to stir $hit. Since he edits posts that reveal his bad habits @ UoC, Far Left & Noisology which he mods, feel free to edit his posts here if you think they cross the line.Originally posted by breytonhartge:I am not supporting NCC in anyway, I just want NT2 to give a better account of why he thinks that this is heresy.
The problem with what NT2 is doing is he has already polarized the view of anyone who will read the article.
If he had just posted the article and asked for comments before making his own, that might have been more acceptable I think.
Then a proper debate could have grown out of there. -
People bearing grudges and bringing external matters into the topic
Mods pls note -
Don't be fooled by the above post. It is an attempt at apple polishing.Originally posted by laurence82:People bearing grudges and bringing external matters into the topic
Mods pls note
How lame can he get.
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wha....overwhelming responses. I shall use this post as a format to ans some of the questions.Originally posted by breytonhartge:I am not supporting NCC in anyway, I just want NT2 to give a better account of why he thinks that this is heresy.
The problem with what NT2 is doing is he has already polarized the view of anyone who will read the article.
If he had just posted the article and asked for comments before making his own, that might have been more acceptable I think.
Then a proper debate could have grown out of there.
before that are some disclaimer:
1. This discussion topic is for Christians who regularly partake the Communion to talk abt. If you have in no way taken Communion irregardless of which denomination then pls refrain from talking about something you never tasted before.
2. The views all solely from Bible. Not extra-biblical revelations because there isnt any revelations added on to what the Bible already has.
3. The discussion is not a post-modern one. Only absolute truth is accepted, truths of the Bible are never meant to be interpreted for individual use, stop fooling yourselves.
Ok...my POV
The Bible talks about Holy Communion aka Lord's Supper as some refer it as a Passover meal. The biblical significance of having such a meal of unleavened bread traces back to the first Passover when God in His mercy spared the obedient families of Israel by applying the blood of a lamb over their doorposts. Families disobedient to this instruction, Israelite or Egyptians have their firstborn son slained that very night. The death of the first born being the last and final plague God sent on the land of Egpyt and after that the people of God are free to leave the land of slavery.
In the New Testament days, the Passover is still being celebrated and being a good Jew, our Lord Jesus also observe the Feast. On the night before He was betrayed, arrested and went on trial, Jesus and His 12 disciples shared a Passover meal because that night is the Passover. The unleavened bread and wine used in this particular meal was Jesus way of helping the disciples remember Him. The bread symbolises His body which will be broken, the wine His blood shed as blood of the new covenant for the forgiveness of sins. These can be found in the gospels.
Apostle Paul later in his letter to the Corinthians further elabourated and emphasise the Communion, talking about not despising the holiness of this sacrament though how common the bread and wine seems to be. To profess in communion with the Lord Jesus while living in unworthy and sinful manner is to mock at our Lord Himself. The reason for the divine judgment on those who take it lightly. If one demands any particular use for the Lord's supper other than a memorial meal, it has to be evangelistic because Paul in his letter mentioned that when we partake of the Holy Communion, we proclaim His death on the cross till His second coming.
This basically is the Holy Communion teaching. Held by all sound, mainstream and bible-believing churches of all denominations.
Why NCC's Holy Communion is heretical and not jus that, plain thrash:
There are no evidence in the Bible where healing is 'through' the Holy Communion. In the Book of James, divine healing is given when a sick person is anointed with the oil and with prayer. Prayer of a righteous elder or church leader (eg. pastors/ deacons) If the Holy Communion can bring divine health as NCC teaches, are the Apostles of those days trying to hide some secrets from the readers? Are they denying the Church for centuries the source of divine health? Are we saying that such new revelation comes only now?
As we read the plain Scriptures, there is absolutely without arguements that no where does the Bible says Holy Communion is God's gift to man as divine health. Jesus Himself is the one and the Lord being our healer. Yes, i agree that God can use any means to heal a person. If you are not a Christian scientist, God heals through the doctors and surgeons dont you know? God certainly can use the Holy Baptism or Communion to heal a person. But dont make God a vending machine by purposely taking Communion and demand that God heals you through that way. Who are you?
Heresy is another that sound Christian, from the Bible sources and yet is corrupted and erroneous. You take something from the Bible and make a nice twist and present to others as if its a new discovery. It's the same with the Da Vinci Code. Dont cheapen grace, dont cheapen the sacred things of God and in this case the Holy Communion. Dont eat it like Oreo and Milk! If you are unworthy, examine yourselves and God is always there to welcome you at His Table.
Dont simple take a dry food and a liquid food and say its Holy Communion! If you want to obey God...go all the way. The Holy Communion is not an emergency food you take when you are desperate. Dont inject an element of superstition into this memorial meal of our Lord. Dont preach the false gospel. -
if he sticks to the topic i certainly welcome his presense with us. as for you....do the same.Originally posted by iveco:Don't be fooled by the above post. It is an attempt at apple polishing.
How lame can he get. -
Please keep your dog in leashOriginally posted by NT2:if he sticks to the topic i certainly welcome his presense with us. as for you....do the same.
Just a gentle reminder
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Thanks for trying to up the ratingOriginally posted by iveco:Don't be fooled by the above post. It is an attempt at apple polishing.
How lame can he get. -
Originally posted by NT2:wha....overwhelming responses. I shall use this post as a format to ans some of the questions.
before that are some disclaimer:
1. This discussion topic is for Christians who regularly partake the Communion to talk abt. If you have in no way taken Communion irregardless of which denomination then pls refrain from talking about something you never tasted before.
2. The views all solely from Bible. Not extra-biblical revelations because there isnt any revelations added on to what the Bible already has.
3. The discussion is not a post-modern one. Only absolute truth is accepted, truths of the Bible are never meant to be interpreted for individual use, stop fooling yourselves.
Ok...my POV
The Bible talks about Holy Communion aka Lord's Supper as some refer it as a Passover meal. The biblical significance of having such a meal of unleavened bread traces back to the first Passover when God in His mercy spared the obedient families of Israel by applying the blood of a lamb over their doorposts. Families disobedient to this instruction, Israelite or Egyptians have their firstborn son slained that very night. The death of the first born being the last and final plague God sent on the land of Egpyt and after that the people of God are free to leave the land of slavery.
In the New Testament days, the Passover is still being celebrated and being a good Jew, our Lord Jesus also observe the Feast. On the night before He was betrayed, arrested and went on trial, Jesus and His 12 disciples shared a Passover meal because that night is the Passover. The unleavened bread and wine used in this particular meal was Jesus way of helping the disciples remember Him. The bread symbolises His body which will be broken, the wine His blood shed as blood of the new covenant for the forgiveness of sins. These can be found in the gospels.
Apostle Paul later in his letter to the Corinthians further elabourated and emphasise the Communion, talking about not despising the holiness of this sacrament though how common the bread and wine seems to be. To profess in communion with the Lord Jesus while living in unworthy and sinful manner is to mock at our Lord Himself. The reason for the divine judgment on those who take it lightly. If one demands any particular use for the Lord's supper other than a memorial meal, it has to be evangelistic because Paul in his letter mentioned that when we partake of the Holy Communion, we proclaim His death on the cross till His second coming.
This basically is the Holy Communion teaching. Held by all sound, mainstream and bible-believing churches of all denominations.
Why NCC's Holy Communion is heretical and not jus that, plain thrash:
There are no evidence in the Bible where healing is 'through' the Holy Communion. In the Book of James, divine healing is given when a sick person is anointed with the oil and with prayer. Prayer of a righteous elder or church leader (eg. pastors/ deacons) If the Holy Communion can bring divine health as NCC teaches, are the Apostles of those days trying to hide some secrets from the readers? Are they denying the Church for centuries the source of divine health? Are we saying that such new revelation comes only now?
As we read the plain Scriptures, there is absolutely without arguements that no where does the Bible says Holy Communion is God's gift to man as divine health. Jesus Himself is the one and the Lord being our healer. Yes, i agree that God can use any means to heal a person. If you are not a Christian scientist, God heals through the doctors and surgeons dont you know? God certainly can use the Holy Baptism or Communion to heal a person. But dont make God a vending machine by purposely taking Communion and demand that God heals you through that way. Who are you?
Heresy is another that sound Christian, from the Bible sources and yet is corrupted and erroneous. You take something from the Bible and make a nice twist and present to others as if its a new discovery. It's the same with the Da Vinci Code. Dont cheapen grace, dont cheapen the sacred things of God and in this case the Holy Communion. Dont eat it like Oreo and Milk! If you are unworthy, examine yourselves and God is always there to welcome you at His Table.
Dont simple take a dry food and a liquid food and say its Holy Communion! If you want to obey God...go all the way. The Holy Communion is not an emergency food you take when you are desperate. Dont inject an element of superstition into this memorial meal of our Lord. Dont preach the false gospel. 
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Originally posted by NT2:the meaning and significance of Holy Communion can be found both in Bible and sound Christian websites
you have the right answers for the right person.Originally posted by NT2:read the article and read the Bible passages pertaining to the Holy Communion. simple as that.
unless you deny final authority of the Bible, if not you will know why. -
sigh GOD Bless them for those who believe it is not
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What! Milo used in place of wine!!??
This is truly an oddity... claiming healing from the Holy Communion while not claiming that it is the body and blood of Christ..
How odd.. -
u took the words right out of my mouth!!!Originally posted by NT2:wha....overwhelming responses. I shall use this post as a format to ans some of the questions.
before that are some disclaimer:
1. This discussion topic is for Christians who regularly partake the Communion to talk abt. If you have in no way taken Communion irregardless of which denomination then pls refrain from talking about something you never tasted before.
2. The views all solely from Bible. Not extra-biblical revelations because there isnt any revelations added on to what the Bible already has.
3. The discussion is not a post-modern one. Only absolute truth is accepted, truths of the Bible are never meant to be interpreted for individual use, stop fooling yourselves.
Ok...my POV
The Bible talks about Holy Communion aka Lord's Supper as some refer it as a Passover meal. The biblical significance of having such a meal of unleavened bread traces back to the first Passover when God in His mercy spared the obedient families of Israel by applying the blood of a lamb over their doorposts. Families disobedient to this instruction, Israelite or Egyptians have their firstborn son slained that very night. The death of the first born being the last and final plague God sent on the land of Egpyt and after that the people of God are free to leave the land of slavery.
In the New Testament days, the Passover is still being celebrated and being a good Jew, our Lord Jesus also observe the Feast. On the night before He was betrayed, arrested and went on trial, Jesus and His 12 disciples shared a Passover meal because that night is the Passover. The unleavened bread and wine used in this particular meal was Jesus way of helping the disciples remember Him. The bread symbolises His body which will be broken, the wine His blood shed as blood of the new covenant for the forgiveness of sins. These can be found in the gospels.
Apostle Paul later in his letter to the Corinthians further elabourated and emphasise the Communion, talking about not despising the holiness of this sacrament though how common the bread and wine seems to be. To profess in communion with the Lord Jesus while living in unworthy and sinful manner is to mock at our Lord Himself. The reason for the divine judgment on those who take it lightly. If one demands any particular use for the Lord's supper other than a memorial meal, it has to be evangelistic because Paul in his letter mentioned that when we partake of the Holy Communion, we proclaim His death on the cross till His second coming.
This basically is the Holy Communion teaching. Held by all sound, mainstream and bible-believing churches of all denominations.
Why NCC's Holy Communion is heretical and not jus that, plain thrash:
There are no evidence in the Bible where healing is 'through' the Holy Communion. In the Book of James, divine healing is given when a sick person is anointed with the oil and with prayer. Prayer of a righteous elder or church leader (eg. pastors/ deacons) If the Holy Communion can bring divine health as NCC teaches, are the Apostles of those days trying to hide some secrets from the readers? Are they denying the Church for centuries the source of divine health? Are we saying that such new revelation comes only now?
As we read the plain Scriptures, there is absolutely without arguements that no where does the Bible says Holy Communion is God's gift to man as divine health. Jesus Himself is the one and the Lord being our healer. Yes, i agree that God can use any means to heal a person. If you are not a Christian scientist, God heals through the doctors and surgeons dont you know? God certainly can use the Holy Baptism or Communion to heal a person. But dont make God a vending machine by purposely taking Communion and demand that God heals you through that way. Who are you?
Heresy is another that sound Christian, from the Bible sources and yet is corrupted and erroneous. You take something from the Bible and make a nice twist and present to others as if its a new discovery. It's the same with the Da Vinci Code. Dont cheapen grace, dont cheapen the sacred things of God and in this case the Holy Communion. Dont eat it like Oreo and Milk! If you are unworthy, examine yourselves and God is always there to welcome you at His Table.
Dont simple take a dry food and a liquid food and say its Holy Communion! If you want to obey God...go all the way. The Holy Communion is not an emergency food you take when you are desperate. Dont inject an element of superstition into this memorial meal of our Lord. Dont preach the false gospel.
Bread : Represents body of Christ, no more no less!
Wine: Represents Christ Blood that was shed for us!
The sacraments are Holy!