predestination or freewill? does man have a choice?
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tis issue is a topic debated over many yrs by theologians ard the world...til today, no confirm answer can be made...does man play any part at all in his salvation? or is it TOTALLY God's divine calling? both sides have strong scripture backup...wad r ur views? air them here...
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Another red flag thread...
*brey places a warning sign.... *
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Ironside can answer all your questions. Good mix of commentaries and bible quotes. And rest assured the reply will be lengthy.
Mc2 can answer, but he always ask you some questions first. He make you confused liao then ends his reply with a Cheers.
Brey will just throw you all the quotes.
Chin Eng tries to avoid theological questions like this. -
I think it's predestination. If God is sovereign, He controls everything right down to the speck of dust. So man has no choice. It seems we have a choice when the gospel is preached but really we didn't. God knows in advance who will be saved & who will not. He already predestined it. So too bad for some vessels of dishonour. Good for the vessels of honour. It seems quite unfair but God is sovereign. He rules over all. May God have mercy on me.
In another related topic is God's mercy. Altho He might have predestined some for hell, He might still change His mind & relent according to His great love & mercy. God did relent many times in the bible. For eg nineveh case. He also repented before the flood. So God can still change His mind as to the predestiny of many humans on earth. I was wondering whether God will throw Christians into hell then if He does change His mind abt some Christians?
So predestination doesnt mean fixed destiny. God is a living God. He is also a loving & gracious God. He can change this & that. He will show love & mercy to the undeserving. He is not subject to our will or fancy. May God have mercy on my soul! May He choose me & never leave me nor forsake me. It's fearful to fall into the hands of God. Worship Him in fear & trembling. Work out our salvation in fear & termbling. -
Icey you know us so well.....Originally posted by Icemoon:Ironside can answer all your questions. Good mix of commentaries and bible quotes. And rest assured the reply will be lengthy.
Mc2 can answer, but he always ask you some questions first. He make you confused liao then ends his reply with a Cheers.
Brey will just throw you all the quotes.
Chin Eng tries to avoid theological questions like this.
Yup. I typically avoid theological questions.... not a soon-to-be pastor-type like Ironside..... but I like your reply....
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i have dreams of my future, everything i would say, think, and do are dreamt as well. Even though I try to resist, I ended up doing the things as I dreamt.
Where is the freewill in that? I would say its predestinated. -
its not said in the bible leh. so whatever u all say is just ur views.
its hard to say whether its one or the other.
god gave men free will to choose right or wrong, good or evil.
as for salvation, we are free to accept or reject.
but its been said that God already knows if we're going to receive or not. -
This is a personal conviction,
Personally, I believe that God had predestined all to be saved, but had lovingly given each of us a free will to choose as to whether we want accept this gift or not.
Do you want to receive this free gift of salvation? I had made my choice, you will have to make yours (out of your own free will).
God Bless. -
Originally posted by Repented John 2:
u dun make sense. so u're saying god condamms you to hell by making u evil through the devil, den change yr personality (no free will involved) suddenly so u can ask for forgiveness?
I think it's predestination. If God is sovereign, He controls everything right down to the speck of dust. So man has no choice. It seems we have a choice when the gospel is preached but really we didn't. God knows in advance who will be saved & who will not. He already predestined it. So too bad for some vessels of dishonour. Good for the vessels of honour. It seems quite unfair but God is sovereign. He rules over all. May God have mercy on me.
In another related topic is God's mercy. Altho He might have predestined some for hell, He might still change His mind & relent according to His great love & mercy. God did relent many times in the bible. For eg nineveh case. He also repented before the flood. So God can still change His mind as to the predestiny of many humans on earth. I was wondering whether God will throw Christians into hell then if He does change His mind abt some Christians?
So predestination doesnt mean fixed destiny. God is a living God. He is also a loving & gracious God. He can change this & that. He will show love & mercy to the undeserving. He is not subject to our will or fancy. May God have mercy on my soul! May He choose me & never leave me nor forsake me. It's fearful to fall into the hands of God. Worship Him in fear & trembling. Work out our salvation in fear & termbling. -
I agree.Originally posted by vince69:This is a personal conviction,
Personally, I believe that God had predestined all to be saved, but had lovingly given each of us a free will to choose as to whether we want accept this gift or not.
Do you want to receive this free gift of salvation? I had made my choice, you will have to make yours (out of your own free will).
God Bless. -
This is a personal conviction,
my conviction too...cheers!!!
Personally, I believe that God had predestined all to be saved, but had lovingly given each of us a free will to choose as to whether we want accept this gift or not.
Do you want to receive this free gift of salvation? I had made my choice, you will have to make yours (out of your own free will). -
And I agree with this too...Originally posted by vince69:This is a personal conviction,
Personally, I believe that God had predestined all to be saved, but had lovingly given each of us a free will to choose as to whether we want accept this gift or not.
Do you want to receive this free gift of salvation? I had made my choice, you will have to make yours (out of your own free will).
God Bless. -
GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)
GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
EX 3:20-22, DT 20:13-17 God instructs the Israelites to despoil the Egyptians, to plunder their enemies.
EX 4:11 God decides who will be dumb, deaf, blind, etc.
EX 9:3-6 God destroys all the cattle (including horses) belonging to the Egyptians.
EX 9:9-11 The people and the cattle are afflicted with boils.
EX 12:12, 29 All the first-born of the cattle of the Egyptians are destroyed.
EX 14:9 After having all their cattle destroyed, then afflicted with boils, and then their first-born cattle destroyed, the Egyptians pursue Moses on horseback.
EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them.
EX 15:3, 17:16, NU 25:4, 32:14, IS 42:13 God is a man of war--he is fierce and angry.
EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent's sins.
EX 32:27, DT 7:2, 13:15, 20:1-18 God orders killing.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord slaughters 185,000 men.
11:30-39, 21:10-12, 1SA 15:3 God orders or approves the complete extermination of groups of people which include innocent women and/or children.
IS 45:6-7, LA 3:8, AM 3:6 God is responsible for evil.
EX 34:6-7, HE 9:27 God remembers sin, even when it has been forgiven.
NU 11:33 God inflicts sickness. -
vince gave a politically correct answer that appeal to the majority.Originally posted by Repented John 2:I think it's predestination. If God is sovereign, He controls everything right down to the speck of dust. So man has no choice. It seems we have a choice when the gospel is preached but really we didn't. God knows in advance who will be saved & who will not. He already predestined it. So too bad for some vessels of dishonour. Good for the vessels of honour. It seems quite unfair but God is sovereign. He rules over all. May God have mercy on me.
In another related topic is God's mercy. Altho He might have predestined some for hell, He might still change His mind & relent according to His great love & mercy. God did relent many times in the bible. For eg nineveh case. He also repented before the flood. So God can still change His mind as to the predestiny of many humans on earth. I was wondering whether God will throw Christians into hell then if He does change His mind abt some Christians?
So predestination doesnt mean fixed destiny. God is a living God. He is also a loving & gracious God. He can change this & that. He will show love & mercy to the undeserving. He is not subject to our will or fancy. May God have mercy on my soul! May He choose me & never leave me nor forsake me. It's fearful to fall into the hands of God. Worship Him in fear & trembling. Work out our salvation in fear & termbling.
but this is one of the few rare instances I support Repented John 2. His reply preserves the sovereignity of God yet touches on His grace and mercy.
vince's version lacks the sovereignity. The gospel is like those flyers given out when you travel up the escalator in Sim Lim Square. You can choose to take or not take. But many after receiving the flyers throw them away ..
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1. What has God being displeased with His creation got to do with Him being Omniscience?Originally posted by neutral_onliner:GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)
GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
EX 3:20-22, DT 20:13-17 God instructs the Israelites to despoil the Egyptians, to plunder their enemies.
EX 4:11 God decides who will be dumb, deaf, blind, etc.
EX 9:3-6 God destroys all the cattle (including horses) belonging to the Egyptians.
EX 9:9-11 The people and the cattle are afflicted with boils.
EX 12:12, 29 All the first-born of the cattle of the Egyptians are destroyed.
EX 14:9 After having all their cattle destroyed, then afflicted with boils, and then their first-born cattle destroyed, the Egyptians pursue Moses on horseback.
EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them.
EX 15:3, 17:16, NU 25:4, 32:14, IS 42:13 God is a man of war--he is fierce and angry.
EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent's sins.
EX 32:27, DT 7:2, 13:15, 20:1-18 God orders killing.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord slaughters 185,000 men.
11:30-39, 21:10-12, 1SA 15:3 God orders or approves the complete extermination of groups of people which include innocent women and/or children.
IS 45:6-7, LA 3:8, AM 3:6 God is responsible for evil.
EX 34:6-7, HE 9:27 God remembers sin, even when it has been forgiven.
NU 11:33 God inflicts sickness.
2. The point of your post is? -
is no creator omniscient/omnipotent god or loving godOriginally posted by breytonhartge:1. What has God being displeased with His creation got to do with Him being Omniscience?
2. The point of your post is? -
Some people falsely believe that it is impossible to prove the unexistence of anything, but they are wrong. It can, for example, be proved that there is no even prime number greater than two. Other people use to say that there is no way to prove if there is a god or not, or even that we cannot get any knowledge of god (agnosticism). My opinion as a strong atheist, is that we can in fact prove that god does not exist in the physical world. This document is my attempt to do so.
Definition of the word "god"
To prove the non-existence of god we first need to define the word "god". When christians talk about god they mean an almighty being. This, I think, is the only god that holds, since it is the only god that can be logically justified.
I think it makes most sense if god is female, because only women can give life. Something that even people in the Stone Age understood. Later when wars affected the cultural evolution, and men took control of society, god became male, but the female god still lives on in the expression "Mother earth". It should also be pointed out that an omnipotent god must be either androgyne or sexless. However, in most religions god is male so I will refer to god as 'he', 'him' etc.
Some people (Einstein for instance) believe in a god who is not a personal god, but a Spinozan kind of god. I claim that this god is not a god! To say that god is universe - by getting knowledge of the universe we get knowledge of god - is to redefine the meaning of the word god. This has nothing to do with the word god as it was defined by the "primitive" cultures which preceded our present civilization. He can be excluded with Occam's razor, and most important: Such a god does not hear prayers.
If god is not omnipotent there is nothing that prevents him from being a product of the universe. If that is the case, what makes god divine? Then god would only be an alien, a being of matter; probably containing flesh, blood and DNA like all life we know of. Everything god is able to do would be things that human beings also will be able to do, all his knowledge would be knowledge we will also achieve. In fact humans would be gods, which should lead to some strange kind of humanism!
Many people justify their faith with god as an explanation. What is the meaning of life? Where does time and space come from? Who created the physical constants? et cetera. Because we lack knowledge of these things - and maybe never will, since they are questions like "what is the color of a second?" or "how does sound taste?" - god is there as an explanation.
Let's say that god is the meaning of life, what then is the meaning of god? If god has a nature, who created that nature? If god created time and space, how can god exist without it? Since creation is an event in time, how could god create time? and who created god? To answer these questions god must be almighty, or else you can't explain them. In fact you can if you say god stands above time and space and so on (which he indeed does if he is almighty), but to be able to prevent god from being tied to future phenomena, you must give him the quality of omnipotence so he can stand above everything.
The qualities of an omnipotent god
If god is almighty there are several qualities he must have. They are as follows:
- He must know everything. Everything that is, everything that has been and everything that will be. To be able to know everything that will be he must know every position and every momentum of every particle in cosmos (Laplace's "World Spirit").
- He must be worth our worship. A being that is not worth worshipping is no god.
- He must be able to do anything. If there are things that god can't do, he certainly is not omnipotent.
- He must be above time. Something that even St. Augustine deduced. But not only that, god must stand above all possible dimensions.
-He cannot be 'good' or 'evil' or, indeed, have any subjective characteristica. If god is all good, he cannot do evil things and cannot be almighty. Most people would object and say that good can do evil but chooses not to do it. Well, if god is all good he can't choose to do evil things, can he?
We also have the theodice problem, stated by David Hume:
If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his intentions he is not almighty. God can't be both almighty and good. There are many objections to this, but none that holds since god is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god can create he must have created evil. If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that god, and not Satan created the universe?
For a good look at the Theodicé problem try The problem of natural evil
Reasons not to believe in god
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle
The ontological evidence against gods
Neccesary a god is a being that is worth worshipping, so if there is no being worth worshipping there cannot be a god.
Not any of the existing religions can provide such a god. How do we know if there are no undiscovered beings worthy our submission? Well if there is a being that has either failed or not tried to communicate with us that being is not worth worshipping either, so the ontological evidence against god holds, even without complete knowledge of the world.
There is a test, based on the ontological evidence against god, that you can do to try the existence of god. Pray, and ask god to provide you with a clear proof for his existence within a week. After that week, if you have got a proof that god exists, send me the evidence. If not, there are only three reasons I can think of that are plausible: (1) God does not exist, (2) God does not want to or (3) God can't give you this evidence. Because of the ontological evidence, alternative (2) and (3) are not worth your worship and thus they equal alternative (1). So if you get no response there is no god. -
Sorry too long. Not feeling well. So too tired to read. Sorry.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:Some people falsely believe that it is impossible to prove the unexistence of anything, but they are wrong. It can, for example, be proved that there is no even prime number greater than two. Other people use to say that there is no way to prove if there is a god or not, or even that we cannot get any knowledge of god (agnosticism). My opinion as a strong atheist, is that we can in fact prove that god does not exist in the physical world. This document is my attempt to do so.
Definition of the word "god"
To prove the non-existence of god we first need to define the word "god". When christians talk about god they mean an almighty being. This, I think, is the only god that holds, since it is the only god that can be logically justified.
I think it makes most sense if god is female, because only women can give life. Something that even people in the Stone Age understood. Later when wars affected the cultural evolution, and men took control of society, god became male, but the female god still lives on in the expression "Mother earth". It should also be pointed out that an omnipotent god must be either androgyne or sexless. However, in most religions god is male so I will refer to god as 'he', 'him' etc.
Some people (Einstein for instance) believe in a god who is not a personal god, but a Spinozan kind of god. I claim that this god is not a god! To say that god is universe - by getting knowledge of the universe we get knowledge of god - is to redefine the meaning of the word god. This has nothing to do with the word god as it was defined by the "primitive" cultures which preceded our present civilization. He can be excluded with Occam's razor, and most important: Such a god does not hear prayers.
If god is not omnipotent there is nothing that prevents him from being a product of the universe. If that is the case, what makes god divine? Then god would only be an alien, a being of matter; probably containing flesh, blood and DNA like all life we know of. Everything god is able to do would be things that human beings also will be able to do, all his knowledge would be knowledge we will also achieve. In fact humans would be gods, which should lead to some strange kind of humanism!
Many people justify their faith with god as an explanation. What is the meaning of life? Where does time and space come from? Who created the physical constants? et cetera. Because we lack knowledge of these things - and maybe never will, since they are questions like "what is the color of a second?" or "how does sound taste?" - god is there as an explanation.
Let's say that god is the meaning of life, what then is the meaning of god? If god has a nature, who created that nature? If god created time and space, how can god exist without it? Since creation is an event in time, how could god create time? and who created god? To answer these questions god must be almighty, or else you can't explain them. In fact you can if you say god stands above time and space and so on (which he indeed does if he is almighty), but to be able to prevent god from being tied to future phenomena, you must give him the quality of omnipotence so he can stand above everything.
The qualities of an omnipotent god
If god is almighty there are several qualities he must have. They are as follows:
- He must know everything. Everything that is, everything that has been and everything that will be. To be able to know everything that will be he must know every position and every momentum of every particle in cosmos (Laplace's "World Spirit").
- He must be worth our worship. A being that is not worth worshipping is no god.
- He must be able to do anything. If there are things that god can't do, he certainly is not omnipotent.
- He must be above time. Something that even St. Augustine deduced. But not only that, god must stand above all possible dimensions.
-He cannot be 'good' or 'evil' or, indeed, have any subjective characteristica. If god is all good, he cannot do evil things and cannot be almighty. Most people would object and say that good can do evil but chooses not to do it. Well, if god is all good he can't choose to do evil things, can he?
We also have the theodice problem, stated by David Hume:
If the evil in the world is intended by god he is not good. If it violates his intentions he is not almighty. God can't be both almighty and good. There are many objections to this, but none that holds since god is ultimately responsible for the existence of evil. Besides, if only god can create he must have created evil. If somebody else (the devil) created evil, how can one know that god, and not Satan created the universe?
For a good look at the Theodicé problem try The problem of natural evil
Reasons not to believe in god
Heisenberg's uncertainty principle
The ontological evidence against gods
Neccesary a god is a being that is worth worshipping, so if there is no being worth worshipping there cannot be a god.
Not any of the existing religions can provide such a god. How do we know if there are no undiscovered beings worthy our submission? Well if there is a being that has either failed or not tried to communicate with us that being is not worth worshipping either, so the ontological evidence against god holds, even without complete knowledge of the world.
There is a test, based on the ontological evidence against god, that you can do to try the existence of god. Pray, and ask god to provide you with a clear proof for his existence within a week. After that week, if you have got a proof that god exists, send me the evidence. If not, there are only three reasons I can think of that are plausible: (1) God does not exist, (2) God does not want to or (3) God can't give you this evidence. Because of the ontological evidence, alternative (2) and (3) are not worth your worship and thus they equal alternative (1). So if you get no response there is no god. -
God doesnt condemn someone. That person is already condemned when he doesnt accept Christ for cleansing his sins. He predestines people for hell but in His mercy, He might change the predestiny of that person, so the person will have a change of heart & submit his will to ask for forgiveness. What is impossible for God? Nothing is impossible. With men it is impossible, but with God nothing is impossible. Why not?Originally posted by Ito_^:u dun make sense. so u're saying god condamms you to hell by making u evil through the devil, den change yr personality (no free will involved) suddenly so u can ask for forgiveness? -
Answers doesn't come easy. I'm not the kind who believe in spoon feed.Originally posted by Icemoon:Mc2 can answer, but he always ask you some questions first. He make you confused liao then ends his reply with a Cheers.
The more questions i throw at the seeker, he will realise there are other options he could choose to look at. It forces him to think harder and gain wider spectrum of perspective.
Example:
1) Seeker Dan ask Albert : 'What is God's Love?'
Albert took out his bible and quote verses and explains.
2) Dan ask Carl : 'What is God's Love?'
Carl replied. 'Well...God is Love. I don't know how to put across to you, but i wish you could experience it.' Walk away.
3) Dan ask MC : 'What is God's Love?'
'When you wake up in the morning. Take a good look at the sky, those cloud formation, the flowers bloom and the very breath that you take.'
'That's God's love......as close as wind is to your skin.'
Did i give him the answer? NO.
I did it unorthodox way, some people call it abstract...some consider New age.
It forces people to look past the answers they are expecting - Out of the box.
If the answer is not those usual kind, and the seeker is expecting a sound biblical based kind of answer. It'll confuse.
It also depends on the mental capacity of mindset and understanding of individual, different people different approach.
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Icemoon : I suppose you're having a hard time keeping up?
Admit it. I'm unconventional.
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God has given us free will and the choice to cooperate with Him. If we reject Him, it is our folly.
It is therefore obvious that He does not damn us from the start. -
Free will or no free will, i see so many people going to hell already. Every time there is a buddhist, muslim, taoist or other funeral, that person is in hell. See how unfeeling God is? How will anyone know whether there is predestination or not? God seems so far away so unknown to us. Every time we ask question abt heaven or hell, every time God refuses to tell us exactly just say trust by faith. What is this?! So those who doesnt believe goes to hell just for not believing? I find it very funny & very angry! Why God so cruel??
He is even more cruel if there is predestination. Predestination only benefits those who believe. Those who don't believe leh? Go to hell?
If there is free will, why won't a person want to choose a GOOD God? If He is good, people will choose Him. If He is really worthy, people will choose what. & also why He allow muslims, buddhists etc to be born Muslims, buddhists? Why He allow so many religions to confuse people? Why make it so difficult for people to choose? Why is He intent on the fight with the devil that He can sacrifice people's souls? I find it very funny!! -
During the Katrina hurricane, alot of people waited in agony for a long time to be rescued. I remember there was a footage of a rescue boat coming by to save a number of people sitting on the roof. There was this woman with her cat. They wanted to take her in the boat but she had to leave her cat behind. And I could hear someone in the background saying that she would rather die than be parted from her cat. Indeed she refused. The rescue boat moved on and I don't know what happend to her.
How about his analogy: God has provided the only means of rescue...like the rescue boat. His intention is to save all but people have a choice as to whether they would accept the boat ride. Some do and are saved. But there are those like that woman who would not give up her possessions and would rather die with them. The voice in the background I heard knew that woman and before she responded that voice could already pre-determine her decision---that she would say 'no'. God is omniscient and knows that some would never accept the free gift of salvation and are predestined to be damned. So in that sense the predestination is a natural consequence of foreknowledge:
Rom 8:29-
" For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers."
There are differing views on this and a doctrinal debate over hundreds of years is not going to be easily resolved in a forum. That is how I see it anyway.
As for those who would exploit doctrinal differences to cast aspersions on Christianity, perhaps it is best to simply ignore them. The fool has said in his heart, "There is no God."
Don't suffer fools gladly. -
BULLSEYE!!!!Originally posted by vince69:This is a personal conviction,
Personally, I believe that God had predestined all to be saved, but had lovingly given each of us a free will to choose as to whether we want accept this gift or not.
Do you want to receive this free gift of salvation? I had made my choice, you will have to make yours (out of your own free will).
God Bless. -
errr....if u have a bible, i would presume that u only have the old-testament? u left out the new testiment.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation.
(Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)
GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
GE 22:1-12, DT 8:2 God tempts (tests) Abraham and Moses.
JG 2:22 God himself says that he does test (tempt).
1CO 10:13 Paul says that God controls the extent of our temptations.
EX 3:20-22, DT 20:13-17 God instructs the Israelites to despoil the Egyptians, to plunder their enemies.
EX 4:11 God decides who will be dumb, deaf, blind, etc.
EX 9:3-6 God destroys all the cattle (including horses) belonging to the Egyptians.
EX 9:9-11 The people and the cattle are afflicted with boils.
EX 12:12, 29 All the first-born of the cattle of the Egyptians are destroyed.
EX 14:9 After having all their cattle destroyed, then afflicted with boils, and then their first-born cattle destroyed, the Egyptians pursue Moses on horseback.
EX 12:13 The Israelites have to mark their houses with blood in order for God to see which houses they occupy and "pass over" them.
EX 15:3, 17:16, NU 25:4, 32:14, IS 42:13 God is a man of war--he is fierce and angry.
EX 20:5, 34:7, NU 14:18, DT 5:9, IS 14:21-22 Children are to suffer for their parent's sins.
EX 32:27, DT 7:2, 13:15, 20:1-18 God orders killing.
2KI 19:35 An angel of the Lord slaughters 185,000 men.
11:30-39, 21:10-12, 1SA 15:3 God orders or approves the complete extermination of groups of people which include innocent women and/or children.
IS 45:6-7, LA 3:8, AM 3:6 God is responsible for evil.
EX 34:6-7, HE 9:27 God remembers sin, even when it has been forgiven.
NU 11:33 God inflicts sickness.
wat bout the greatest verse John 3:16? "God so Loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whoever believes in him shall not PErish but have everlasting life."