Lets talk about Jesus.
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By the way Mods, why do we let these jokers come in & stumble all the other genuine believers???
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Had this discussion before, it is a public forum so we have no real choice in the matter.Originally posted by babyys:By the way Mods, why do we let these jokers come in & stumble all the other genuine believers??? -
Why don't you attend? They at Suntec rock auditorium and report back to us if what I said is true.Originally posted by babyys:be very very careful which church u cite or quote. u could get urself in deep waters & who knows a defamation suit will be slap onto ur face. there is such a thing as tracking of IP address..... -
How exactly do people stumble genuine believers? If you believe that the sun moves around the earth and someone comes along and tell you that the earth moves around the sun; that is called stumbling?Originally posted by babyys:By the way Mods, why do we let these jokers come in & stumble all the other genuine believers??? -
ck, i attend NCC. I think you are mistaken about what Ps prince preaches.Originally posted by casino_king:Why don't you attend? They at Suntec rock auditorium and report back to us if what I said is true. -
I attended. The following is confirm not true:Originally posted by casino_king:Why don't you attend? They at Suntec rock auditorium and report back to us if what I said is true.What they teach is, Don't worry about sin, in fact just forget about it, don't even think about it, no need to confess if you sin... the minute you believe in Jesus you have the licence to kill. When Jesus died, he knew that you after you believed, were going to kill that guy and visit the prostitutes and cheat and steal and still he died for you
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of course stumbling!Originally posted by casino_king:How exactly do people stumble genuine believers? If you believe that the sun moves around the earth and someone comes along and tell you that the earth moves around the sun; that is called stumbling?
Imagine you everyday see sunrise sunset .. you have no knowledge of outer space and solar system.
You will be led to believe everyday you're under hallucination.
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FYI,Originally posted by casino_king:Why don't you attend? They at Suntec rock auditorium and report back to us if what I said is true.
I am with CHC and i have attended NCC's servicesand what u have just said is nonsensical & un-called for. I think in watever u say u must have concrete evidence to support your arguments. -
Does Icemoon miss SIS now?
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sort of.Originally posted by laurence82:Does Icemoon miss SIS now?
Surely he is a much better player than CK. -
Somebody gave me a video and that is the intepretation I get. Since you are from there can you enlightened us?Originally posted by babyys:FYI,
I am with CHC and i have attended NCC's servicesand what u have just said is nonsensical & un-called for. I think in watever u say u must have concrete evidence to support your arguments.
If you visit the Buddhists website, you can see that I am debating them also. I am actually very interested in religion. I am very curious why religious people believe in fantastic stuff when there are no evidence whatsoever to believe in it.
Like I told the Buddhists, I want to know because Problem Gamblers similarly believe in fantastice stuff about gambling and I cannot help them get rid of the nonsense in their head. Of course I would reccomend them to believe in some other fantastic stuff like religion if that can get them off gambling. You know - Christianity and Buddhism says that gambling is sinful and evil, so don't gamble.
Must I resort to this? Can I not show them in an educated manner why gambling is bad? Rooted in reality? Based on scientific studies and theory of probability?
If Christians and Buddhists can believe in the fantastic without evidence, why????? -
is it that there is no evidence or that you do not want to see the evidence?Originally posted by casino_king:Somebody gave me a video and that is the intepretation I get. Since you are from there can you enlightened us?
If you visit the Buddhists website, you can see that I am debating them also. I am actually very interested in religion. I am very curious why religious people believe in fantastic stuff when there are no evidence whatsoever to believe in it.
Like I told the Buddhists, I want to know because Problem Gamblers similarly believe in fantastice stuff about gambling and I cannot help them get rid of the nonsense in their head. Of course I would reccomend them to believe in some other fantastic stuff like religion if that can get them off gambling. You know - Christianity and Buddhism says that gambling is sinful and evil, so don't gamble.
Must I resort to this? Can I not show them in an educated manner why gambling is bad? Rooted in reality? Based on scientific studies and theory of probability?
If Christians and Buddhists can believe in the fantastic without evidence, why?????
Please note, many of use believers were also once unbelivers, so the question is why have we believed if there is no evidence to support such a belief. Look around you, think about the earth the stars, the moon, the way the universe operates, how the sun rises and sets each day and the courses of the skies, think about the trees in the field, the birds in the air, the rain and the clouds, think about how there is such diversity amongst a particular species, think about the complexity of our beings...
Your own posts are not coherent, you jump from proving God exists to having to deal and give gamblers an educated reason not to gamble? What exactly are you trying to get at? -
They things you mentioned... the best answer is, we don't know and not make the leap to God and Jesus. Science is trying to find out in the meantime.Originally posted by breytonhartge:is it that there is no evidence or that you do not want to see the evidence?
Please note, many of use believers were also once unbelivers, so the question is why have we believed if there is no evidence to support such a belief. Look around you, think about the earth the stars, the moon, the way the universe operates, how the sun rises and sets each day and the courses of the skies, think about the trees in the field, the birds in the air, the rain and the clouds, think about how there is such diversity amongst a particular species, think about the complexity of our beings...
Your own posts are not coherent, you jump from proving God exists to having to deal and give gamblers an educated reason not to gamble? What exactly are you trying to get at?
We might never know, but that does not mean we should then just imagine and fantasise about a God and Jesus.
Gamblers and religious people have beliefs that are not based on evidence or evidence that is not objective. They are both so sure that they are right. To the casual observer, it is so incredible.
So it is only normal that I try to find out what exactly makes human beings use subjective experiences to draw conclusions when these conclusions fall apart the minute you look at it in detail. -
God is greater than science, science has a lot of anomalies that cannot be proven outside of the acknowledgement that there might be a supreme being by scientists. We believers already acknowledge this.Originally posted by casino_king:They things you mentioned... the best answer is, we don't know and not make the leap to God and Jesus. Science is trying to find out in the meantime.
We might never know, but that does not mean we should then just imagine and fantasise about a God and Jesus.
Gamblers and religious people have beliefs that are not based on evidence or evidence that is not objective. They are both so sure that they are right. To the casual observer, it is so incredible.
So it is only normal that I try to find out what exactly makes human beings use subjective experiences to draw conclusions when these conclusions fall apart the minute you look at it in detail.
If God is not real, then why is He recorded since the beginning of time as the Jews know it? To us it is the bible, and the old testament are just stories, to the Jewish people, it is THEIR HISTORY. It is something that is passed down through oral tradition, from one generation to the next about how good God has been to them and what God has done for the Jews.
The more incredible thing is that God is real, He has shown Himself and that people do not believe.
Dare you challenge God? Can you stand it if He speaks to you? -
A totally baseless statement because you have not shown any evidence of GOD.Originally posted by breytonhartge:God is greater than science,
Yes the most science say, "we don't know." That is a lot more honest intellectually than to simply assume a God that is based wholly on imagination since there is no objective evidence for it. BTW point out one anomaly in science that says that there "might be a supreme being."Originally posted by breytonhartge:science has a lot of anomalies that cannot be proven outside of the acknowledgement that there might be a supreme being by scientists. We believers already acknowledge this.
Why depend on a historical document of dubious value? Why must God hide Himself? Why must God talk only to "some" people? Why cannot God just show himself? Why is it that the Buddhist and Hindu and Chinese God so different from the God in the Bible?Originally posted by breytonhartge:If God is not real, then why is He recorded since the beginning of time as the Jews know it? To us it is the bible, and the old testament are just stories, to the Jewish people, it is THEIR HISTORY. It is something that is passed down through oral tradition, from one generation to the next about how good God has been to them and what God has done for the Jews.
Does not that tell you that it was a figment of the imagination of man to try to understand the world? That was thousand of years ago. They have no way of studying reality and so they simply made it up. Now you are a well educated person and you still take such imagination as truth. Why?
The actor of the X files said it best. If aliens exists, there would be more evidence of them. Similarly God.Originally posted by breytonhartge:The more incredible thing is that God is real, He has shown Himself and that people do not believe.
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ck, i will take Chin Engs stand, we show you evidence you don't want to believe, so no matter what we say, you also don't want to believe... my question to you is how do you prove that God does not exist?
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Why depend on a historical document of dubious value? Why must God hide Himself? Why must God talk only to "some" people? Why cannot God just show himself? Why is it that the Buddhist and Hindu and Chinese God so different from the God in the Bible?
Are you sure that it is a Historical document of dubious value? The stories in the bible in the OT are exactly what the Jewish people pass down through oral law.
Does not that tell you that it was a figment of the imagination of man to try to understand the world? That was thousand of years ago. They have no way of studying reality and so they simply made it up. Now you are a well educated person and you still take such imagination as truth. Why?
God is not hiding Himself. He is all around you. God speaks to all of us, its whether we want to hear or not.
As to why the buddhist and hindu gods are so different from the God in the bible, if I answered that, i'd be accused of condemning other religions. You should know better than that to post such a question here!
As a well educated person, why do i take such "imagination" as you put it to be the truth? Lets just say I have sought God and He has answered me. That is why i believe.
Scientists have shown that the universe is so delicately balanced that anyone planet, any moon just a little bit off can be disastrous. You think all these things happen by chance? -
I just want to correct something here. Buddhists dont believe in a supreme creator God, we speak more about Enlightened beings, neither are these enlightened beings gods, so you cannot compare Buddhism with Christianity like that.Originally posted by casino_king: -
someone tell me about christianity
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what is wrong with chc? is hip music wrong in context with the bible? Is having a big and grand church a thing that is against the bible? What about skimpy dressing? So does it mean that people in chc will not go to heaven?
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about CHC, cannot comment, since I had not been there for a very long time.Originally posted by jayellefull:what is wrong with chc? is hip music wrong in context with the bible? Is having a big and grand church a thing that is against the bible? What about skimpy dressing? So does it mean that people in chc will not go to heaven?
about hip music, by itself is not a sin, know of a few christian rock musicians who are quite good
big and grand church, personally feels its up to the individual church congretation to decide
about skimpy dressing, again, its a personal choice, although some may consider this a stumbling block
will all people in CHC go to heaven, not sure, but one thing for sure, the Christians there will definitly go to Heaven, cause after all, its not by our might that we go to heaven, its the perfect finished work of Christ.
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I see it as bad testimony.Originally posted by jayellefull:what is wrong with chc? is hip music wrong in context with the bible? Is having a big and grand church a thing that is against the bible? What about skimpy dressing? So does it mean that people in chc will not go to heaven?
As an unbeliever, do you see Christ in them?
One thing about Christians which irk me sometimes .. their church loyalty is stronger than anything etc. For the church, they ignore the family, disrespect their parents, MLM the faith to meet church quota, shoot anyone who talks bad about their church etc.
It looks like their church is the whole Kingdom.
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I do not agree with the above statement. It doesnt mean a few black sheeps make up for the entire congregation. Me & my family is as tight as it can get. If my finances allows then i faithfully tithe if i am down & out then i believe God understands. Its not compulsory or mandatory.Originally posted by Icemoon:I see it as bad testimony.
As an unbeliever, do you see Christ in them?
One thing about Christians which irk me sometimes .. their church loyalty is stronger than anything etc. For the church, they ignore the family, disrespect their parents, MLM the faith to meet church quota, shoot anyone who talks bad about their church etc.
It looks like their church is the whole Kingdom.
Cheers.
The thing that i have learnt is to work at my own salvation instead of looking at men cause boy will i be very disapointed if i turn to men. Yes, as human as we are, when we look at things that are not of Our way, we get angry etc etc...but ultimately just let God deal with these people. The last thing you wana get into is church politics.
Wat i am trying to get at is basically just save ourselves 1st b4 we start saving others. How do we be good testimony to others wen our own lifes is also screwed? Respect is earned. Why look at the speck in other people's eyes when we ourselves have a plank in our own?
Lets not be legalist here and start passing judgement. Isint it a good thing that a church or any church for that matter is growing in numbers? that shows that more souls are being saved for His Kingdom. A lot of times, we only look at things from the surface then start drawing our own conclusion but have we really been part of the church to know its stand?
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Originally posted by babyys:I do not agree with the above statement. It doesnt mean a few black sheeps make up for the entire congregation. Me & my family is as tight as it can get. If my finances allows then i faithfully tithe if i am down & out then i believe God understands. Its not compulsory or mandatory.
The thing that i have learnt is to work at my own salvation instead of looking at men cause boy will i be very disapointed if i turn to men. Yes, as human as we are, when we look at things that are not of Our way, we get angry etc etc...but ultimately just let God deal with these people. The last thing you wana get into is church politics.
Wat i am trying to get at is basically just save ourselves 1st b4 we start saving others. How do we be good testimony to others wen our own lifes is also screwed? Respect is earned. Why look at the speck in other people's eyes when we ourselves have a plank in our own?
Lets not be legalist here and start passing judgement. Isint it a good thing that a church or any church for that matter is growing in numbers? that shows that more souls are being saved for His Kingdom. A lot of times, we only look at things from the surface then start drawing our own conclusion but have we really been part of the church to know its stand?
***LET HE WHO HAS NO SIN CAST THE 1ST STONE***