Lets talk about Jesus.
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It is God's perogative to heal, not us.Originally posted by casino_king:When I say evidence, I mean good verifiable evidence and not some baseless claims by some people somewhere.
If what you say is true that people can be cured of cancer with a prayer why don't you do everybody a favour and go to the hospitals and pray everyday?
I am now starting to think that the reason you have imaginary friends because you accept anything as evidence.
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I would say - your questions are irrelevant in our forum. Meaning they are unimportant to our spiritual concerns. There is no need to answer them. If we have not seen it as a challenge, then how can we 'give up'? We have merely been kind enough to show you things that are of your interest to knowOriginally posted by casino_king:See the other thread:
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The Buddhist seems to have given up. The Christians give up too?
BTW something i forgot to say, you said "If his research was valid and done in a scientific manner; he would have submitted it to a SCIENCE publication and subjected to peer review." His works are published in scientific communities. But even so it doesnt mean it will end up being taught mainstream for many reasons as said in the topic. And even if it were to be taught mainstream, not everyone would believe it regardless of religions. For example even though evolution was taught mainstream, it has only been a source of controversy in the west especially with those who believed in creatorism.
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we did not give up, we realise when we are head butting a stone wall so we just stop inflicting pain on ourselves...Originally posted by casino_king:See the other thread:
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The Buddhist seems to have given up. The Christians give up too?
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:we did not give up, we realise when we are head butting a stone wall so we just stop inflicting pain on ourselves... ultimately it is still your choice.
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Wah now the war comes over here. So there is a three party war now?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:I would say - your questions are irrelevant in our forum. Meaning they are unimportant to our spiritual concerns. There is no need to answer them. If we have not seen it as a challenge, then how can we 'give up'? We have merely been kind enough to show you things that are of your interest to know
BTW something i forgot to say, you said "If his research was valid and done in a scientific manner; he would have submitted it to a SCIENCE publication and subjected to peer review." His works are published in scientific communities. But even so it doesnt mean it will end up being taught mainstream for many reasons as said in the topic. And even if it were to be taught mainstream, not everyone would believe it regardless of religions. For example even though evolution was taught mainstream, it has only been a source of controversy in the west especially with those who believed in creatorism.
btw, i wont be replying in this topic about the buddhist topic anymore since its not appropriate place to do so.
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Where is Jesus? Why He left us alone to die? Why He allow me to suffer? Why doesnt He rescue me? Why doesnt He rescue so many people? Must they die to go to heaven? What if they go to hell? No point talking abt Jesus. Talk also won't bring Him down from heaven. If He doesnt want to help someone, He won't help so no point talking abt Him. If He wants to help He will help. So no point. Argue until the cows come home & nothing is changed. Such futility. Why doesnt He save us all? Where is He? Can't He see i am suffering? Can't He see so many people are suffering? Is He a cruel God also? Others can claim He is good but He seems not good to me. So why the different experience? See-experience is not good guide but can be a guide nonetheless or i can't say He isn't good.
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few questions?Originally posted by ICanOnlyHope:Where is Jesus? Why He left us alone to die? Why He allow me to suffer? Why doesnt He rescue me? Why doesnt He rescue so many people? Must they die to go to heaven? What if they go to hell? No point talking abt Jesus. Talk also won't bring Him down from heaven. If He doesnt want to help someone, He won't help so no point talking abt Him. If He wants to help He will help. So no point. Argue until the cows come home & nothing is changed. Such futility. Why doesnt He save us all? Where is He? Can't He see i am suffering? Can't He see so many people are suffering? Is He a cruel God also? Others can claim He is good but He seems not good to me. So why the different experience? See-experience is not good guide but can be a guide nonetheless or i can't say He isn't good.
Pls tell me where is He?
First, do you believe He (Jesus) exist, and He is able to help you?
Next, will you accept His help even if he wants to?
Lastly, have you asked Him to help you?
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i agree wif vince69...n look carefully at ur qns...they r all abt i, me, myself...all abt do tis for man, for man, for man...love is a 2 way thing...God can do all for u...but u willing to do sth simple 1st by trusting Him n loving Him?
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The Bible gives us almost no information about the life of Jesus until he started teaching at about the age of 30. And even after his public ministry started there is great confusion about what happened and when. For instance, the Gospel of John claims that the cleansing of the temple took place at the beginning of Jesus' ministry (Jn 2:13-14), but the Gospel of Luke claims the cleansing took place at the end (Lk 19:45-46). On one hand we are told that Jesus stayed in Peter's house and then healed a leper (Mk 1:29-45), on the other we are told that he healed the leper and then went in Peter's house (Matt 8:1-2, 8:14). On one hand we are told that the centurion spoke personally to Jesus (Matt 8:5); in a complete contradiction to this we are told that the centurion sent people on his behalf to speak to Jews (Lk 7:1). In the Gospel of Mark we are told that Jesus left Tyre and passed through Sidon on his way to the Sea of Galilee (Mk 7:31). A look at any map of Israel will show that this is quite impossible as Sidon is in another direction altogether.Originally posted by vince69:As EH is a Christian Forum, just thought maybe we can have a thread dedicated to the person central to our belief, Jesus Christ
Just who is Jesus Christ.
The Bible talks of Jesus as The Word made flesh (John 1:1, 1:14), born of a Virgin (Matt 1:23), go about healing the sick and setting the captives free(matt 11:5), is without sin and died on the cross for our sins that our sins are being paid for(1Peter2:21-25), and having done all these, had rosed from the dead() and is now at the right hand of God(Acts 7:55-56).That everyone who received him will be saved(Roman10:8-9).
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You still plagiarise not enought?Originally posted by neutral_onliner:The Bible gives us almost no information about the life of Jesus until he started teaching at about the age of 30. And even after his public ministry started there is great confusion about what happened and when. For instance, the Gospel of John claims that the cleansing of the temple took place at the beginning of Jesus' ministry (Jn 2:13-14), but the Gospel of Luke claims the cleansing took place at the end (Lk 19:45-46). On one hand we are told that Jesus stayed in Peter's house and then healed a leper (Mk 1:29-45), on the other we are told that he healed the leper and then went in Peter's house (Matt 8:1-2, 8:14). On one hand we are told that the centurion spoke personally to Jesus (Matt 8:5); in a complete contradiction to this we are told that the centurion sent people on his behalf to speak to Jews (Lk 7:1). In the Gospel of Mark we are told that Jesus left Tyre and passed through Sidon on his way to the Sea of Galilee (Mk 7:31). A look at any map of Israel will show that this is quite impossible as Sidon is in another direction altogether. -
just need answers for such contradictionOriginally posted by Icemoon:You still plagiarise not enought? 
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U want answers? Try this website.Originally posted by neutral_onliner:just need answers for such contradiction
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Yes, i believe He exists. Yes, He can help but He ain't helping. So what do i do? Go knock His doors down when I can't even reach His doors up in the sky?Originally posted by vince69:few questions?
First, do you believe He (Jesus) exist, and He is able to help you?
Next, will you accept His help even if he wants to?
Lastly, have you asked Him to help you?
vinc69-quote given not apropreiate here.
I will accept His help but does He want to? He only show favour to certain people.
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I am sorry but why must i act as if i have selfless love like God? I am not God. He is God right? With selfless love right? Then why He doesnt help so many people?Originally posted by despondent:i agree wif vince69...n look carefully at ur qns...they r all abt i, me, myself...all abt do tis for man, for man, for man...love is a 2 way thing...God can do all for u...but u willing to do sth simple 1st by trusting Him n loving Him? -
ThnksOriginally posted by babyys:U want answers? Try this website.
www.bible-truths-revealed.com
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Because, so many people don't want His help (and most don't even want to believe He exist).Originally posted by ICanOnlyHope:I am sorry but why must i act as if i have selfless love like God? I am not God. He is God right? With selfless love right? Then why He doesnt help so many people? -
Well, the question you asked can be answered of you really know who God is. Like I said, the best way to find out if God exist is to use your intuition. Those movies you described are actually not impossible to acheive with computer animations.Originally posted by casino_king:OK I will look at it but in the mean time; please explain to me how anybody can be "the only begotten Son of God" when God does not exists?
If there is any evidence that God exists we will not have so many different types of religion that contradicts each other.
Have you watched superman the movie? Have you watched Chow Yun Fatt in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon?
Why do you instinctively dismiss it as fantasy because - people cannot fly around like that but when it comes to Jesus; you do not dismiss the stories as fiction when you read about Jesus walking on water?
I know of somebody who insists that in China thousands of years ago, people can really do what the chinese kung fu movies show. Only in recent times did people "lose" the ability.
Why do you insists on good evidence when it comes to Buddhists claims but accept hearsay evidence when it comes to Christianity?
Do you know that in India, gurus can levitate while they meditated?
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How can they know who to turn to when they don't know who is the right God with so many confusing religions around? So cannot blame them what! They might have been raised in a muslim home & they love their God & turn to Him for help, so cannot blame them as to why God allowed them to be born into Islam.Originally posted by vince69:Because, so many people don't want His help (and most don't even want to believe He exist). -
So it is up to God? We cannot influence God? If it is up to God and we cannot influence God, why believe? Why believe when there is simply no evidence of merit? Give your life up to an imaginary friend? If you are a child and your parents tell you to be good or Santa Claus will not give you a present on Christmas... when you grow up you realise how stupid it is to believe in Santa.Originally posted by Icemoon:It is God's perogative to heal, not us.
Sorry, I don't accept anything as evidence.
Does not mean that you give up being a good person because you do not believe in Santa anymore.
So after realising how stupid you are to believe in Santa, the religious now believe in a new Santa, GOD. If you do not behave, God will send you to hell and if you are good GOD will send you to heaven.
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Totally wrong....... no where in the Bible is it taught that a person goes to heaven because he is GOOD.Originally posted by casino_king:So after realising how stupid you are to believe in Santa, the religious now believe in a new Santa, GOD. If you do not behave, God will send you to hell and if you are good GOD will send you to heaven.
A person goes to heaven because he ACKNOWLEDGES Jesus as His personal saviour and invites Him into his life.
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Your question is impossible to answer. How do you know whether something happens as a result of your influence or it is already pre-decided? The world is already so confusing, please don't add to the confusion.Originally posted by casino_king:So it is up to God? We cannot influence God? If it is up to God and we cannot influence God, why believe?Why believe when there is simply no evidence of merit? Give your life up to an imaginary friend? If you are a child and your parents tell you to be good or Santa Claus will not give you a present on Christmas... when you grow up you realise how stupid it is to believe in Santa.
Why do you say no evidence of merit?
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So no need to be good? There is church called the New Creation Church and I suspect that you must be from there.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Totally wrong....... no where in the Bible is it taught that a person goes to heaven because he is GOOD.
A person goes to heaven because he ACKNOWLEDGES Jesus as His personal saviour and invites Him into his life.
Good deeds are never a pre-requisite of salvation, good deeds for Christians are the result (fruits?) of salvation.
What they teach is, Don't worry about sin, in fact just forget about it, don't even think about it, no need to confess if you sin... the minute you believe in Jesus you have the licence to kill. When Jesus died, he knew that you after you believed, were going to kill that guy and visit the prostitutes and cheat and steal and still he died for you.
So you see all your past AND future sins (future from the point you believed) he knew when he died to take them away. So just go ahead and live your life without ever thinking about sins. In fact just go ahead and live your life, not only with no need to worry about sin, expect God to reward you with abundance and prosper you. You do not need to do anything, once you believe that's it. WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS CALLED THE GOOD NEWS???? -
Be very very careful what you say... are you SURE THAT THIS IS WHAT IS PREACHED?Originally posted by casino_king:So no need to be good? There is church called the New Creation Church and I suspect that you must be from there.
What they teach is, Don't worry about sin, in fact just forget about it, don't even think about it, no need to confess if you sin... the minute you believe in Jesus you have the licence to kill. When Jesus died, he knew that you after you believed, were going to kill that guy and visit the prostitutes and cheat and steal and still he died for you.
So you see all your past AND future sins (future from the point you believed) he knew when he died to take them away. So just go ahead and live your life without ever thinking about sins. In fact just go ahead and live your life, not only with no need to worry about sin, expect God to reward you with abundance and prosper you. You do not need to do anything, once you believe that's it. WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS CALLED THE GOOD NEWS???? -
Again you are wrong.... for starters I am not from NCC or FCBC or CHC.Originally posted by casino_king:So no need to be good? There is church called the New Creation Church and I suspect that you must be from there.
What they teach is, Don't worry about sin, in fact just forget about it, don't even think about it, no need to confess if you sin... the minute you believe in Jesus you have the licence to kill. When Jesus died, he knew that you after you believed, were going to kill that guy and visit the prostitutes and cheat and steal and still he died for you.
So you see all your past AND future sins (future from the point you believed) he knew when he died to take them away. So just go ahead and live your life without ever thinking about sins. In fact just go ahead and live your life, not only with no need to worry about sin, expect God to reward you with abundance and prosper you. You do not need to do anything, once you believe that's it. WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS CALLED THE GOOD NEWS????
Secondly, I did not say that there is no need to be good, just that being good is not the pre-requisite for salvation. You need to read this line again so that you don't get confused again.
I am not capable to go into the concept of predestination or whether we chose God or God chose us. Maybe MC, Icemoon, Brey or Ironside can provide a better comment.
Let me say it again and for the final time to you. Being good is not a condition to be saved, being good is a responsibility for every Christian. Being good is not the key to heaven, but it is a testimony to others as well as being accountable to God when we eventually meet Him....
As I have told countless others who come in to find fault - no point.... we will never agree on anything, so let's agree to disagree and stop wasting each other's time. You think we are worshipping myth, it's ok with me. I really don't care what you think, like you really don't care what I think. So we move on. -
be very very careful which church u cite or quote. u could get urself in deep waters & who knows a defamation suit will be slap onto ur face. there is such a thing as tracking of IP address.....Originally posted by casino_king:So no need to be good? There is church called the New Creation Church and I suspect that you must be from there.
What they teach is, Don't worry about sin, in fact just forget about it, don't even think about it, no need to confess if you sin... the minute you believe in Jesus you have the licence to kill. When Jesus died, he knew that you after you believed, were going to kill that guy and visit the prostitutes and cheat and steal and still he died for you.
So you see all your past AND future sins (future from the point you believed) he knew when he died to take them away. So just go ahead and live your life without ever thinking about sins. In fact just go ahead and live your life, not only with no need to worry about sin, expect God to reward you with abundance and prosper you. You do not need to do anything, once you believe that's it. WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS CALLED THE GOOD NEWS????