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C_KOriginally posted by casino_king:An interesting note for the evangelicals here. Do you know that the Roman Catholics Clergy rather the Catholics not read the bible? To them the bible is leaven that is added to the bread. When the layman reads the bible for himself, to the Catholic clergy, it does not help him. All that is required of Christians is to have faith and serve God. All the bible study is for nothing and can be harmful.
Now you know why RC is the biggest Christian movement in the world? Simplicity. Faith and Service.
a bit out dated information leh....
in the past, before the reformation, this is true, cause the Bible is only taught in Latin which most lay people have no clue what its about, so give them the Bible also no use, don't know the language (anyway, most of the lay people, ie. peasants don't even know how to read at all).
At present times, when the Bible had been translated into so many languages and is so widely distributed across the globe, doing personal reading/study of the Bible is now a very normal event in a believer's life (actually all along this should essential and also encouraged).
God Bless. -
Exactly! Just pop over to a good Catholic bookstore and one can find the Catholic Bible being sold. Don't think it's only for the clergy to buy them.Originally posted by vince69:C_K
a bit out dated information leh....
in the past, before the reformation, this is true, cause the Bible is only taught in Latin which most lay people have no clue what its about, so give them the Bible also no use, don't know the language (anyway, most of the lay people, ie. peasants don't even know how to read at all).
At present times, when the Bible had been translated into so many languages and is so widely distributed across the globe, doing personal reading/study of the Bible is now a very normal event in a believer's life (actually all along this should essential and also encouraged).
God Bless. -
And they teach heresies...Originally posted by casino_king:An interesting note for the evangelicals here. Do you know that the Roman Catholics Clergy rather the Catholics not read the bible? To them the bible is leaven that is added to the bread. When the layman reads the bible for himself, to the Catholic clergy, it does not help him. All that is required of Christians is to have faith and serve God. All the bible study is for nothing and can be harmful.
Now you know why RC is the biggest Christian movement in the world? Simplicity. Faith and Service. -
Hey .. I like some of their mandarin songs!Originally posted by NT2:Streams of Praise
Chinese worship band in USA
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not again.Originally posted by breytonhartge:And they teach heresies...
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clever boy.Originally posted by NT2:Streams of Praise
Chinese worship band in USA
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You skirted around the issue.Originally posted by vince69:Here you go, this is the list of curses for disobedience
Deuternomy 28:15-68
verse 15
But if you refuse to listen to the Lordyour God and do not obey all the commands and decrees I am giving you today, all these curses will come and overwhelm you....
That's why we thank God for Jesus who had fulfilled the full and complete extend of the Law perfectly that we now walk under grace, not that we can now go sin like mad, but God had now make it easy for us to obey His commandments, in that He (the Holy Spirit) now guides/motivate/enable us from the inside of us.
God Bless
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why don't you go read deuteronomy 28 for yourself and tell us whether it is jialat or not??Originally posted by Icemoon:You skirted around the issue.
So did they get cursed jialat jialat? Since none of them can fulfill the commandments perfectly. -
Don't anyhow give examples to confuse the readers.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Tithing was done long before there was the temple. Abraham tithed to Melchizedek which in Hebrew means my king of righteousness. So it is not unbiblical to tithe.
Let me reveal your fallacy - exactly what did Abraham tithe? -
Deu 28 never tell us whether the Hebrews were cursed jialat jialat.Originally posted by breytonhartge:why don't you go read deuteronomy 28 for yourself and tell us whether it is jialat or not??
The description of the curses does not match historical facts as presented in the bible. -
unker... ho bo? How was the trip successful?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Exactly! Just pop over to a good Catholic bookstore and one can find the Catholic Bible being sold. Don't think it's only for the clergy to buy them. -
Ice,Originally posted by Icemoon:You skirted around the issue.
So did they get cursed jialat jialat? Since none of them can fulfill the commandments perfectly.
ok, ok, I give some example here, you go read the others yourself ok?
1) Aaron's son, offer the incense before the Lord (use the wrong method), both died on the spot (Leviticus 10:1-3)
2) Moses/Aaron, In Exodus17, God told them to struck the rock, and Moses did that and water came out,
In Numbers 20, this time God tell Moses to speak to the rock, Moses struck it instead.... the penalty? both Moses (the leader) and Aaron (the high priest) are forbidden to enter into the promise land.
these are just some example, there are kings who kenna dethrone, thosands died just because of disobedience.
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:unker... ho bo? How was the trip successful? business trip is business trip lah... glad that it's over.
normally just go to wherever I am heading, do my job, go shopping, have dinner (or have dinner, go shopping) and back to the room to koon. -
That is just your opinion. How you can say that about fellow Christians is beyond me. Don't you think you a bit of a bigot? All that you believe is full of inconsistancies anyway but you are blind to it. Yet you are so quick to say bad stuff about other Christians. Do you think that you have been hopelessly brain washed?Originally posted by breytonhartge:And they teach heresies... -
A Catholic told me that. He even said that it is "leaven." Added stuff.Originally posted by vince69:C_K
a bit out dated information leh....
in the past, before the reformation, this is true, cause the Bible is only taught in Latin which most lay people have no clue what its about, so give them the Bible also no use, don't know the language (anyway, most of the lay people, ie. peasants don't even know how to read at all).
At present times, when the Bible had been translated into so many languages and is so widely distributed across the globe, doing personal reading/study of the Bible is now a very normal event in a believer's life (actually all along this should essential and also encouraged).
God Bless.
Anyway religion is so based on beliefs without any basis each group is free to interpret it as they wished. -
But but but...I have two bibles in my cupboard leh. One of them given by the Church. Free one.Originally posted by casino_king:An interesting note for the evangelicals here. Do you know that the Roman Catholics Clergy rather the Catholics not read the bible? To them the bible is leaven that is added to the bread. When the layman reads the bible for himself, to the Catholic clergy, it does not help him. All that is required of Christians is to have faith and serve God. All the bible study is for nothing and can be harmful.
Now you know why RC is the biggest Christian movement in the world? Simplicity. Faith and Service.
Every Sunday Mass, there will be three readings : one from old/new testaments, one from letters (Romans, Corinthians and so on) and one from Gospel. -
don't think so. it is well accepted in mainstream christianity that the RC church are off in their teachings.Originally posted by casino_king:That is just your opinion. How you can say that about fellow Christians is beyond me. Don't you think you a bit of a bigot? All that you believe is full of inconsistancies anyway but you are blind to it. Yet you are so quick to say bad stuff about other Christians. Do you think that you have been hopelessly brain washed?
Please point out the inconsistencies. Easy to say, like so grand like that. But cannot name any. Please.
What did I say about other Christians? We all understand that we are having a discussion. If you even bother to read my posts and follow through, I have mentioned quite a few times that we each have revelation from God and that we are at differnt levels of growth. So we are to live as the Lord leads each of us. Or do you still have problems with english comprehension? Ck you always shoot off without reading anything properly.
No I do not think I have been brain washed, but if you think I am, then you must be brain washed too to think like you do. This is a subjective term for as much as it applies to me, it applies to you because you carry a certain view point do you not? So you must be brain washed by that view point. -
Originally posted by Icemoon:
Genesis 14:14-20, read for yourself.
Don't anyhow give examples to confuse the readers.
Let me reveal your fallacy - [b]exactly what did Abraham tithe?[/b]
14 When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he called out the 318 trained men born in his household and went in pursuit as far as Dan. 15 During the night Abram divided his men to attack them and he routed them, pursuing them as far as Hobah, north of Damascus. 16 He recovered all the goods and brought back his relative Lot and his possessions, together with the women and the other people.
17 After Abram returned from defeating Kedorlaomer and the kings allied with him, the king of Sodom came out to meet him in the Valley of Shaveh (that is, the King's Valley).
18 Then Melchizedek king of Salem [d] brought out bread and wine. He was priest of God Most High, 19 and he blessed Abram, saying,
"Blessed be Abram by God Most High,
Creator [e] of heaven and earth.
20 And blessed be [f] God Most High,
who delivered your enemies into your hand."
Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything.
Jacob also gave this vow to God in Genesis 28:20-22 (This was before Moses and the Temple too... )
20 Then Jacob made a vow, saying, "If God will be with me and will watch over me on this journey I am taking and will give me food to eat and clothes to wear 21 so that I return safely to my father's house, then the LORD [g] will be my God 22 and [h] this stone that I have set up as a pillar will be God's house, and of all that you give me I will give you a tenth." -
Ic, at least you are well. Nice to have you back.Originally posted by Chin Eng: business trip is business trip lah... glad that it's over.
normally just go to wherever I am heading, do my job, go shopping, have dinner (or have dinner, go shopping) and back to the room to koon. -
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/hereticOriginally posted by breytonhartge:don't think so. it is well accepted in mainstream christianity that the RC church are off in their teachings.
Strictly speaking from the chronology standpoint, Protestants are the heretics.
Along the same line, some mainstream churches also consider, CHC, NCC and FCBC as heretical.
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hmmm... ponders...Originally posted by Chin Eng:http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/heretic
Strictly speaking from the chronology standpoint, Protestants are the heretics.
Along the same line, some mainstream churches also consider, CHC, NCC and FCBC as heretical.
.... just an observation. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/heretic
Strictly speaking from the chronology standpoint, Protestants are the heretics.
Along the same line, some mainstream churches also consider, CHC, NCC and FCBC as heretical.
.... just an observation. -
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