Christians cannot have premarital sex?
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.. so you believe Jesus was referring to *mental* adultery? Personally I think looking at woman lustfully == adultery is stretching it too far.Originally posted by Ironside:spiritual adultery in the Bible means idoltry
God called the Israelites Icemoon as adulterers........referring to their spritual state of going after other gods.
Jer 3:9 "So it came to pass, through her casual harlotry, that she defiled the land and committed adultery with stones and trees.
they worshipped stone gods and tree gods... -
The one I heard is that they can have sex if they want, but cannot use condoms.
Something about it being unnatural. -
I think it got to do with the catholics. They oppose all forms of contraception except coitus interruptus.Originally posted by ditzy:The one I heard is that they can have sex if they want, but cannot use condoms. Something about it being unnatural. -
you said that God never had it in mind spiritual adultery when God drafted the commandments.Originally posted by Icemoon:.. so you believe Jesus was referring to *mental* adultery? Personally I think looking at woman lustfully == adultery is stretching it too far.
I'm saying He did. it's in commandment one.
for spiritual adultery means idolatry. I think it's just the terminology where we got confused. -
.. but this is the first time I heard spiritual adultery defined this way mah .. so actually I meant mental adultery concerned with lust.Originally posted by Ironside:you said that God never had it in mind spiritual adultery when God drafted the commandments.
I'm saying He did. it's in commandment one.
for spiritual adultery means idolatry. I think it's just the terminology where we got confused. -
[/quote]so you believe Jesus was referring to *mental* adultery? Personally I think looking at woman lustfully == adultery is stretching it too far.
to: icemoon
stretching it too far? we r toking abt a perfect n sinless God here...by human standards, perhaps its too far but to a perfect God, its nt too far...asking a primary 1 sch boy to learn logarithm is too far but to secondary A maths students, its stil ok..so how? we humans when compared to God r like the primary 1 kid...we cun match the standard of God so we say its stretching too far...lets face it,one of the greatest obstacles humans face is to genuinely admit tat theres a being greater n more perfect than us...God -
then ask the angels to receive the Decalogue lah .. give human for what?
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to icemoon: u may as well ask...juz create angels lah...create humans for wad? then u wun even exist...
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God needs humans to manage his Garden of Eden lah.Originally posted by despondent:to icemoon: u may as well ask...juz create angels lah...create humans for wad? then u wun even exist...
.. and the whole earth too.
Angels live in the heavenly court .. not on land. -
*BUZZ!*Originally posted by Raptured:I think it got to do with the catholics. They oppose all forms of contraception except coitus interruptus.
Wrong! Catholic Morality does not permit Withdrawl method either! -
ya lor.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:*BUZZ!*
Wrong! Catholic Morality does not permit Withdrawl method either!
fancy Raptured spreading misinformation here. I was a victim of his bluff also.
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Then cannot have sex lah?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:*BUZZ!*
Wrong! Catholic Morality does not permit Withdrawl method either!
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Tell me then how to have sex without getting pregnant?Originally posted by Icemoon:ya lor.
fancy Raptured spreading misinformation here. I was a victim of his bluff also. -
Every man can have sex and not get pregnant. Cannot resist the tongue in cheekOriginally posted by Raptured:Tell me then how to have sex without getting pregnant? 
Seriously your question leads us to conclude that there is no sure way of preventing pregnancy. Even condoms fail. Then we should ask if one is ready to bear the consequences of pre-marital sex. You must be spiritually, mentally and financially able to support the child. If a couple is having sex and is not ready to be parent to an unplanned child, what then should be the next thing? If you are not prepared to be responsible to a child that is placed into your hands, then one should stop engaging in sex. -
Benefit from Christians of ? Please mind what you say in the forum . This might cause a religious outcry over sensitive issues . thank you .Originally posted by Raptured:My point is it's getting very bad. I want to remind Christians not to sweep this under the carpet. We are supposed to be light to this world. The non Christians are supposed to benefit from us. It seems the light is growing dimmer by the day & I wonder what will happen when the salt becomes unsalty? -
By having sex (within marriage only) during the infertile part of the monthly cycle. It's allowed as it's a faculty provided by nature.Originally posted by Raptured:Then cannot have sex lah?
Tell me then how to have sex without getting pregnant? -
i have a similar question - is having sex with the sole purpose of pleasure allowed?
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Benefit by the moral values of the bible. Why religious outcry? When we say people cannot indulge in pre marital sex? What's wrong with this? If they find something wrong & their religion permits PMS, then let them come & outcry lah! Thank you.Originally posted by losers.inc:Benefit from Christians of ? Please mind what you say in the forum . This might cause a religious outcry over sensitive issues . thank you . -
I think you have to employ contraceptives then.Originally posted by Ito_^:i have a similar question - is having sex with the sole purpose of pleasure allowed? -
Actually i was trying to find out the official stand of the catholics. Unless all become priests & nuns.Originally posted by Kuali Baba:By having sex (within marriage only) during the infertile part of the monthly cycle. It's allowed as it's a faculty provided by nature.
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yes within the context of MARRIAGE!Originally posted by Ito_^:i have a similar question - is having sex with the sole purpose of pleasure allowed?
1 Corinthians 7: 1-9
1 Now concerning the things of which you wrote to me:
It is good for a man not to touch a woman. 2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. 3 Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. 4 The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. 5 Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 But I say this as a concession, not as a commandment. 7 For I wish that all men were even as I myself. But each one has his own gift from God, one in this manner and another in that.
8 But I say to the unmarried and to the widows: It is good for them if they remain even as I am; 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control, let them marry. For it is better to marry than to burn with passion. -
Hmm, if males who look lustfully at females are sinning, what if the situation is reversed? Women can be equally horny, don't you all know?
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same thing, sin.Originally posted by iveco:Hmm, if males who look lustfully at females are sinning, what if the situation is reversed? Women can be equally horny, don't you all know? -
to iveco:
the word 'man' is a collective word for humans... so females r inclusive in the law...juz tat in the olden days, man was often the aggressor... -
bro, "man" is singular "men" is plural then how can "man" be a collective word?Originally posted by despondent:to iveco:
the word 'man' is a collective word for humans... so females r inclusive in the law...juz tat in the olden days, man was often the aggressor...
Out of curiousity to side-track a little way bit:
God created Adam & Eve. Does the ADAM & EVE refer to a population of humans? if not then how to populate cause they both gave birth to sons (Cain & Able). its not mentioned in the bible dat God took the ribs of Cain & Able to further produce (hehehe...like cloning) more humans.
Then wont it be incest (Adultery) to do it the natural way? anyone can answer me this?