Christians cannot have premarital sex?
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you mean lauzzz as in lau?Originally posted by M©+square:
Wah lauzzz.....entertaining leh!
laurence is your lau? -
No....i mean this thread is entertaining!
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Premarital sex is not even in the top 10 "thou shall not"s.Originally posted by laurence82:So this is true from Christian standpoint?
It is frowned upon 'cos of the health and social problems associated with it. Like the bible said, not all things are beneficial. -
Fan KuaiOriginally posted by Icemoon:No leh .. I don't have SCV 55.
By the way .. who was the guy who whisked Pei Gong away from Xiang Zhuang ah? -
Wahahahaha!!!!! Try doing that on the pulpit~Originally posted by Icemoon:Premarital sex is not even in the top 10 "thou shall not"s.
It is frowned upon 'cos of the health and social problems associated with it. Like the bible said, not all things are beneficial.
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You didnt know that MC is my twin brother? I thought people know that all alongOriginally posted by Icemoon:you mean lauzzz as in lau?
laurence is your lau? -
so you are a yellow banana he is what? a carrot?Originally posted by laurence82:You didnt know that MC is my twin brother? I thought people know that all along -
B1 and B2 larOriginally posted by Icemoon:so you are a yellow banana he is what? a carrot?
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When i thot further abt your statements, what i said should cover non Christians as well. We are all humans right? So arent we all covered by the same laws from God? They are worse bcos they have no Christ to turn to for forgiveness of sins. So they will have to face the judgements of God.Originally posted by breytonhartge:hey raptured, what is your point of this thread? Your title says it all, Christians are not supposed to have premarital sex. So where do you want to go from here, your statement you made broadens this topic to include non-christians. So your point is? -
i forsee a rather extreme point of view.
(separation of class between believers and non believers.)
Anything related to Christians and Christianity. You're safe.
But IF you cross the line. You're asking for trouble.
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Sorry that i might have phrased it wrongly. But as i mentioned to BH later after much thot, dont you think the laws of God apply to Christians as well as non Christians since we are all God's creation?Originally posted by Chin Eng:To analyse your opening posts, let me break it up into a few parts:
"I think most will agree that Christians cannot have premarital sex." You are talking about christians. what followed has nothing to do with Christians or Christianity
"I think it's a good issue to discuss seeing so many young people engage in premarital sex. The most famous one is recently regarding the poly girl & her boyfriend video on the net. I didnt watch it. I only heard from the news. I also heard from the news that many young boys & girls are videoing themselves nude with opposite sex. I wonder how bad the problem is." You are now talking about home-made sex video by a polystudent who is probably not a Christian.Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Isnt it very clear that i want to talk abt premarital sex? The two words are in there. Sorry i might have phrased it wrongly & didnt explain properly.
After reading all these, I realised it has got nothing to do with the heading or the starting post, which asked a question: [b]Christians cannot have premarital sex? Again, in your own unique style, you answered you own question in the first line of the opening post.....
In the spirit of normal sgforum. A question was asked and the question was answered. End of discussion.
If you wish to discuss:
Promiscious sex among young adults or Are young Christians promiscious or Is moral standards dropping..... please say so!
May I suggest, raptured, if you wish to start threads, please make sure your thread titles and your opening posts explain everything clearly so that readers fully understand what you are talking about.[/b] -
Why double standards?Originally posted by M©+square:i forsee a rather extreme point of view.
(separation of class between believers and non believers.)
Anything related to Christians and Christianity. You're safe.
But IF you cross the line. You're asking for trouble.
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Hmm?Originally posted by Raptured:Why double standards?
Nevermind. Continue with the thread and we'll see how it goes.
Cheers -
Yes, you wanted to talk about premarital sex ----- under the context of Christian couples (according to the title) - nothing beyond the first statement is about Christian couples, but the world in general.Originally posted by Raptured:Isnt it very clear that i want to talk abt premarital sex? The two words are in there. Sorry i might have phrased it wrongly & didnt explain properly.
I know where you want to go with it, but you need to organise your thoughts a bit more in order for a fruitful thread to continue. Note that when you start a thread, the title and the first post is the one that leads the rest. Everything goes back to these two elements as points of reference. By stating "Christian" and "Premarital Sex" you have defined the framework for discussion.... but in your subsequent posts, the "Christian" element is completely missing because you had already answered you own question.
Here's where I hope you are not feeling that I am picking on you.... you seem to have a good heart and want to share your thoughts, but you need to be clearer in the things you hope to achieve.
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me bad... suddenly just remembered that Beersheba is not even a hooker, just some hottie that caught the eye of Dave.Originally posted by Icemoon:No .. I was referring to my favourite hooker in the OT - Tamar!
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ture, the word 'pre-marital sex' was nvr mentioned in the bible....but i wanna draw attention to many other things nt mentioned in the bible...'gambling', 'smoking', 'masturbation', drug'...the reason y many christians hold the stand tat these r wrong is cos they r associated to certain vices tat r enslving on ones life...as christians, we r taught to be set apart from the rest of the world...set apart means to be diff. nt to conform to things of the world...n God did nt create murder, smoking, gambing etc...He merely allowed them to happen. allowing is diff. from making it happen...gambling is associated wif greedm, smoking n frugs r associated wif addictions...addictions is defined as being enslaved by the action n tat ur life depends on the action...smoking is an addiction, so is gambling...as 4 pre-marital sex, lets juz say tat thebible mentioned our body being a temple of God so it has to be kept holy b4 His eyes...tat is nt to say we cun have sex at all in our life...it simply means onli can have sex after marriage...christian marriages r witnessed by pastor/priest n wif God as witness from above(tats wad we believe)...so upon tis witness n ceremony...the couple r granted the rite to consummate their marriages...moreover, in the OT, gals who r found nt to be virgin at marriage wil be stoned to death when discovered...n theres a way to discover a gal's virginity...another way to explain y things like gambling, smoking n PMS is wrong is tat the bible also said tat we as christians shld nt stumble others wif our actions...if doing such things stumble others, then dun do it(Rom14:18-23)...we r also to offer our bodies as a living sacrifice unto God...if we truly love God, wil we wanna present a 'dirtied' body unto HIM?
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pre-marital sex == adultry?
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strictly speaking...yes...PMS=adultery n tat breaks 1 of the 10 commandments...adultery is nt juz slping ard wif another man's wife...it also means having sex out of lust for another...in fact, God's standard is as long as u look at a woman lustfully, u have committed adultery
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Christians the light to this world ? dun u htink they over-estimated themselves ?Originally posted by Raptured:My point is it's getting very bad. I want to remind Christians not to sweep this under the carpet. We are supposed to be light to this world. The non Christians are supposed to benefit from us. It seems the light is growing dimmer by the day & I wonder what will happen when the salt becomes unsalty? -
Christians the light to this world ? dun u htink they over-estimated themselves ?
to:chunyong
by saying tis, u r saying tat jesus over-estimated himself...cos jesus said tat he is the light of the owrld n the reason y we christians say we r light of the world is cos in order to be christians, we muz be like christ...tats nt to say tat we muz be perfect like HIm...it simply means at we shld grow in the Lord daily n be more like HIm...its a lofe-long process n though its true we wil nvr reach jesus standards...as christians we shld work our way towards perfection...maybe raptured shldnt have said tat we r the light of the world...rather we have been told to be more like christ n to work towards being the light of the world -
It is not in the ten commandments but this is Thou shall not commit audltery.Originally posted by Icemoon:Premarital sex is not even in the top 10 "thou shall not"s.
It is frowned upon 'cos of the health and social problems associated with it. Like the bible said, not all things are beneficial.
Jesus then went on to define adultery as looking at a woman lustfully.
Lets see the definition of adultery, it is to have sexual intercourse with someone who is not your wife.
And if you follow the extrapolation that Jesus gave, then even looking at a woman lustfully is adultery, so what more premarital sex? It is also adultery, you have gone beyond the looking into the doing. So it is a definite sin. -
dead rite breytonhartge...we cun juz take the words in the bible out of context...God being who He is surely have deep meanings to His word....so many ppl have been quoting out of context...tats y there r cults...
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if u wanna take out of context, then next time, when someone hit u on the rite, dun retaliate...make sure u offer ur left for him to hit...tats wad the bible said in context
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Jialat lah .. then the RC dunno must spend how long in the confession room liao.
It is not in the ten commandments but this is [b]Thou shall not commit audltery.
Jesus then went on to define adultery as looking at a woman lustfully.
Lets see the definition of adultery, it is to have sexual intercourse with someone who is not your wife.
And if you follow the extrapolation that Jesus gave, then even looking at a woman lustfully is adultery, so what more premarital sex? It is also adultery, you have gone beyond the looking into the doing. So it is a definite sin. [/b]
And this is one sin that is hard to seek repentance.
Seriously I don't think God has spiritual adultery in mind when He drafted the Decalogue. -
yeah, work towards it but wun be it, just like infinity...u says say 'as X tends to infinity', u never say X= infinity...Originally posted by despondent:to:chunyong
by saying tis, u r saying tat jesus over-estimated himself...cos jesus said tat he is the light of the owrld n the reason y we christians say we r light of the world is cos in order to be christians, we muz be like christ...tats nt to say tat we muz be perfect like HIm...it simply means at we shld grow in the Lord daily n be more like HIm...its a lofe-long process n though its true we wil nvr reach jesus standards...as christians we shld work our way towards perfection...maybe raptured shldnt have said tat we r the light of the world...rather we have been told to be more like christ n to work towards being the light of the world -
spiritual adultery in the Bible means idoltryOriginally posted by Icemoon:Jialat lah .. then the RC dunno must spend how long in the confession room liao.
And this is one sin that is hard to seek repentance.
Seriously I don't think God has spiritual adultery in mind when He drafted the Decalogue.
God called the Israelites Icemoon as adulterers........referring to their spritual state of going after other gods.
Jer 3:9 "So it came to pass, through her casual harlotry, that she defiled the land and committed adultery with stones and trees.
they worshipped stone gods and tree gods...