Were the patriachs committing adultery?
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Was Abraham committing adultery by having sex with Hagar? Was Isaac commtting adultery by having two wives? Were David & Solomon also committing adultery by having hundreds of wives & concubines? The original law was to have one wife from Adam's time. So is it bcos of this that's why so much problems arise? Could it be applied to this era & time? As an auxiliary support for my m***turbation column, could having m***turbation affect relationships with spouses, people, family, friends etc? Bcos m***turbation can allow one to have multiple "sexual" partners in imagination. So like what Jesus said, we committed adultery already by having so many partners thru lust. So could this have an adverse effect on our relationships not to mention sin hurts our bodies & souls etc? Pls discuss lively.
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u can always only masturbate to your wife's image.
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No wife then how? Not everybody so lucky to have wife ok?Originally posted by Ito_^:u can always only masturbate to your wife's image. 
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deletedOriginally posted by Raptured:Was Abraham committing adultery by having sex with Hagar? Was Isaac commtting adultery by having two wives? Were David & Solomon also committing adultery by having hundreds of wives & concubines? The original law was to have one wife from Adam's time. So is it bcos of this that's why so much problems arise? Could it be applied to this era & time? As an auxiliary support for my m***turbation column, could having m***turbation affect relationships with spouses, people, family, friends etc? Bcos m***turbation can allow one to have multiple "sexual" partners in imagination. So like what Jesus said, we committed adultery already by having so many partners thru lust. So could this have an adverse effect on our relationships not to mention sin hurts our bodies & souls etc? Pls discuss lively. -
You can even link OT polygamy partners to masterbation.....
You're the master indeed.
There's no point having further discussion with you unless necessary.
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x 2Originally posted by M©+square:You can even link OT polygamy partners to masterbation.....
You're the master indeed.
There's no point having further discussion with you unless necessary.
Cheers
next thread could be : are christians cannibals since we eat Christ body n drink His blood -
Patriarchs were not free of mistakes. They certainly did things that were displeasing to God.
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I am confused with the intentions of all the threads by raptured.... who for some reasons sounds like someone who use to be here.Originally posted by sillyme:Patriarchs were not free of mistakes. They certainly did things that were displeasing to God.
Actually I am confused about the intention of this thread. -
Who ah?Originally posted by Chin Eng:I am confused with the intentions of all the threads by raptured.... who for some reasons sounds like someone who use to be here. -
cannot say lah.... only a guess.... scully wrong how?Originally posted by shade343:Who ah?
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Unker, wise to keep your creditablity in check.Originally posted by Chin Eng:cannot say lah.... only a guess.... scully wrong how? 
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Why not? One is physical adultery. The other is imaginary adultery. Both are sins of adultery according the Jesus. So could one result in physical problems & the other result in spiritual problems? Thanks for saying i am sifu.Originally posted by M©+square:You can even link OT polygamy partners to masterbation.....
You're the master indeed.
There's no point having further discussion with you unless necessary.
Cheers -
Yea, i might start one similar.Originally posted by NT2:x 2
next thread could be : are christians cannibals since we eat Christ body n drink His blood Jesus said to eat His flesh & drink His blood in gospel of John. Whoever does not eat His flesh & drink His blood cannot enter heaven. -
In the past, it was not uncommon for a man to have more than one wife. In fact, a man's harem was considered his personal property.
One of the ten commandments reads "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife". -
I was trying to discuss whether physical & spiritual adultery could lead to many problems for the believer. So if the patriarchs sin this kind of sin, Christians also can sin this kind of sin. & now we are under even stricter moral law according the the temple of the mount sermon by Jesus Christ. Now just one thot can bring us into trouble. So can grace allow us to sin like this or should we be so strict that we cannot do this?Originally posted by sillyme:Patriarchs were not free of mistakes. They certainly did things that were displeasing to God.
Actually I am confused about the intention of this thread. -
Well who are you thinking of?Originally posted by Chin Eng:I am confused with the intentions of all the threads by raptured.... who for some reasons sounds like someone who use to be here. It might just be that person or it might not be. -
But Adam & the line to Noah had one wife all along right? I never heard they had two wives or more altho they had lots of children. Can someone pls check?Originally posted by iveco:In the past, it was not uncommon for a man to have more than one wife. In fact, a man's harem was considered his personal property.
One of the ten commandments reads "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife". -
Since there is no way for me to prove one way or another, I won't go there.Originally posted by Raptured:Well who are you thinking of? It might just be that person or it might not be.
Your assumption is that the patriarchs sinned because they had a household structure different from what we are more familiar with. You fail to note that the lifestyle of the Old Testament times are entirely different from you are used to. It is not considered adulterous to have multiple spouse in those days. There is also no commandments for the people of the era to have only one wife. When the Hebrew people moved towards the times of the New Testament, new laws were in place and the older laws (culture) were either outdated or abolished.Originally posted by Raptured:I was trying to discuss whether physical & spiritual adultery could lead to many problems for the believer. So if the patriarchs sin this kind of sin, Christians also can sin this kind of sin. & now we are under even stricter moral law according the the temple of the mount sermon by Jesus Christ. Now just one thot can bring us into trouble. So can grace allow us to sin like this or should we be so strict that we cannot do this?
If you are going to question the way the OT people live and attempt to draw similarity, then why stop at marriage, didn't you read the thread on "unclean" food? -
Bcos as i posted earlier, there was no evidence that Adam & the rest up to Noah himself had more than two wives. Noah had only one wife so did Adam & the rest if i am correct.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Your assumption is that the patriarchs sinned because they had a household structure different from what we are more familiar with. You fail to note that the lifestyle of the Old Testament times are entirely different from you are used to. It is not considered adulterous to have multiple spouse in those days. There is also no commandments for the people of the era to have only one wife. When the Hebrew people moved towards the times of the New Testament, new laws were in place and the older laws (culture) were either outdated or abolished.
If you are going to question the way the OT people live and attempt to draw similarity, then why stop at marriage, didn't you read the thread on "unclean" food? -
Your point being????Originally posted by Raptured:Bcos as i posted earlier, there was no evidence that Adam & the rest up to Noah himself had more than two wives. Noah had only one wife so did Adam & the rest if i am correct.
The fact that Adam and Noah did not have more than one wife has no bearing on the custom during the days of Abraham and beyond that the Hebrews allowed polygamy. Also, even if polygamy is part of a culture's practice, it does not mean that it is UNIVERSALLY practiced by all. -
Well said.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Your point being????
The fact that Adam and Noah did not have more than one wife has no bearing on the custom during the days of Abraham and beyond that the Hebrews allowed polygamy. Also, even if polygamy is part of a culture's practice, it does not mean that it is UNIVERSALLY practiced by all. -
I think i'm infected by KSMism liao....
All forms of adultery leads to Problems.
Yes it is sin, all forms of sin leads to judgement and effects of different depths.
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It's only after babylon that the world got thrown into rebellion & utter sin. So i was saying even in Noah's time, he was observing marriage to a single partner. But the rest of the world corrupted themselves sexually even with angels & homosexuality. So there is a parallel to now. Sexual immorality is rampant with multiple partners, so what do you think God will do? That's why humans got further corrupted & the marriage institution was destroyed temporarily until Christ came. We are still in Babylon but we will come out of it soon. This world's systems will perish & only those who trust in Christ's saving blood alone will be saved bcos who can stand in the final day?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Your point being????
The fact that Adam and Noah did not have more than one wife has no bearing on the custom during the days of Abraham and beyond that the Hebrews allowed polygamy. Also, even if polygamy is part of a culture's practice, it does not mean that it is UNIVERSALLY practiced by all.