Can Christians buy toto?
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In my limited experiences, I can't say anything more useful to this extreme situation.Originally posted by Raptured:Agreed. But it's very scary when you are alone with nobody to help. When your family & friends are also down & out. When church doesnt provide the support you need. When govt cannot help also. So what hope other than lottery?
In some way, it is similiar to what Job went through right? Job did not displace his hope in God in his difficulties. I can only humbly offer this suggestion. -
Thank you. I am really going thru Job-like & jobless conditions. I will try to trust God more. In fact, I am hoping in God to give me a breakthru somehow.Originally posted by sillyme:In my limited experiences, I can't say anything more useful to this extreme situation.
In some way, it is similiar to what Job went through right? Job did not displace his hope in God in his difficulties. I can only humbly offer this suggestion. -
can la...pray before u buy...
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nowadays wearing a cross has not much meaning...its jus a fashion symbol for someOriginally posted by maggot:I saw a lot of people that wear a cross thing on their neck and still go to queue up at the singapore pools outlet to buy toto tickets
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christians can buy toto
people that buy toto/gamble are not true christians. -
Believers who don't gamble but indulge in gossips, are they true Christians?Originally posted by NT2:christians can buy toto
people that buy toto/gamble are not true christians. -
Similar issue in Chit Chat too
Believers = non sinners = true christians? -
correctionOriginally posted by laurence82:Similar issue in Chit Chat too
Believers = non sinners = true christians?
believers = redeemed sinners = christians
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and u never answer that question in that thread lehOriginally posted by vince69:correction
believers = redeemed sinners = christians
too busy burning people liao?
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maybe vince stays in EH all the timeOriginally posted by laurence82:and u never answer that question in that thread leh
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good question.... we are all on a journey... sometimes we fall, we pick ourselves up. But when we fall, does it mean that our beliefs become false? Of course not.... The problem only happens when we do NOT KNOW that we had fallen and because of that, did not pick ourselves up....Originally posted by M©+square:Believers who don't gamble but indulge in gossips, are they true Christians?
Back to the thread. YES CHRISTIANS CAN BUY TOTO IF THEY DON'T CHECK THE RESULTS there can be the intention to spend money, but no intention of winning..... . just kidding.... -
actually true that I seldom venture out of EH.Originally posted by Chin Eng:maybe vince stays in EH all the time -
if u think it is wrong to buy Toto and if u still buy it , u r sinning against God.
if u think it is alright to buy Toto and u share it here, where there are christians which are unsure whether it is a right act or not , u r also sinning as u cause ur fellow christian brother/sister to stumble.
Read 1 Corithians 8:9-13
But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak(This is 1 Corithians 8:9 only)
get wad i mean, so please dont come and admit here , u play toto cos r u making me to stumble 
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Originally posted by brown_obsession:if u think it is wrong to buy Toto and if u still buy it , u r sinning against God.
if u think it is alright to buy Toto and u share it here, where there are christians which are unsure whether it is a right act or not , u r also sinning as u cause ur fellow christian brother/sister to stumble.
Read 1 Corithians 8:9-13
But beware lest somehow this liberty of yours become a stumbling block to those who are weak(This is 1 Corithians 8:9 only)
get wad i mean, so please dont come and admit here , u play toto cos r u making me to stumble 
There's difference between a Christian causing another to stumble and a Christian who knows where he/she stand but choose to be stumbled.
Are you saying that you're weak?
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how come this few days like keep seeing threads like this..
few days ago saw one thread "can christian masturbate".
now i see "can christian buy toto".
what will i see tomolo?
"can christian kill ppl" izzit? -
Originally posted by ddrdm_boiiboii:how come this few days like keep seeing threads like this..
few days ago saw one thread "can christian masturbate".
now i see "can christian buy toto".
what will i see tomolo?
"can christian kill ppl" izzit? 
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Ask the thread starter.Originally posted by ddrdm_boiiboii:how come this few days like keep seeing threads like this..
few days ago saw one thread "can christian masturbate".
now i see "can christian buy toto".
what will i see tomolo?
"can christian kill ppl" izzit?
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'cos end of the month is coming .. ahemOriginally posted by ddrdm_boiiboii:how come this few days like keep seeing threads like this..
few days ago saw one thread "can christian masturbate".
now i see "can christian buy toto".
what will i see tomolo?
"can christian kill ppl" izzit?
we don't have much buffer left guys .. we are almost out of top 20. -
i am not sure whether buying toto is right.. so i think better not, 'cos i dont want to risk it but looking at the response... i became to wander.Originally posted by M©+square:
There's difference between a Christian causing another to stumble and a Christian who knows where he/she stand but choose to be stumbled.
Are you saying that you're weak?
Cheers
isnt it the same with 1 corithians 8 , if u not sure dont eat it. if r u sure, u may eat but dont eat in front of other christians for u r causing him/her to stumble for he/she may not has the same knowledge. knowledge puffs up but love edifies. out of love, people with knowledge shouldnt eat in front of others without knowledge for it is cause him/her to stumble , get wad i mean? -
Implications right, context abit off.Originally posted by brown_obsession:i am not sure whether buying toto is right.. so i think better not, 'cos i dont want to risk it but looking at the response... i became to wander.
isnt it the same with 1 corithians 8 , if u not sure dont eat it. if r u sure, u may eat but dont eat in front of other christians for u r causing him/her to stumble for he/she may not has the same knowledge. knowledge puffs up but love edifies. out of love, people with knowledge shouldnt eat in front of others without knowledge for it is cause him/her to stumble , get wad i mean?
i suggest you read this thread up first
http://sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=177873&page=4
There a discussion on that verse which you quote.
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context very off....Originally posted by brown_obsession:i am not sure whether buying toto is right.. so i think better not, 'cos i dont want to risk it but looking at the response... i became to wander.
isnt it the same with 1 corithians 8 , if u not sure dont eat it. if r u sure, u may eat but dont eat in front of other christians for u r causing him/her to stumble for he/she may not has the same knowledge. knowledge puffs up but love edifies. out of love, people with knowledge shouldnt eat in front of others without knowledge for it is cause him/her to stumble , get wad i mean?
food is food... and we need it for sustanence. for whatever reasons that were prohibiting the Jews from consuming some food, these reasons no longer exist in NT.
toto... is purchased solely for the interest in gaining more wealth through a game of chance, this whole act of attempting to gain wealth is summarised under one word - greed.
as I'd said before, go ahead and buy toto (or 4D or horse racing) if you don't check the results at all.... the buying (which is a physical act) is not wrong, what's wrong is the intentions for the act. But I guess it will be impossible to find anyone buying toto and not checking the results, right? -
Wah tis time....i still can swallow the context part....but unker cannot accept...different tolerance level.Originally posted by Chin Eng:context very off....
food is food... and we need it for sustanence. for whatever reasons that were prohibiting the Jews from consuming some food, these reasons no longer exist in NT.
toto... is purchased solely for the interest in gaining more wealth through a game of chance, this whole act of attempting to gain wealth is summarised under one word - greed.
as I'd said before, go ahead and buy toto (or 4D or horse racing) if you don't check the results at all.... the buying (which is a physical act) is not wrong, what's wrong is the intentions for the act. But I guess it will be impossible to find anyone buying toto and not checking the results, right?
i think Brown_obsession have good faith, but he/she needs to go to the right bible study which teaches accurately.
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I am sorry for stumbling you. If you think it's not right, dont buy. Actually i also think not right but i desperate now. I need the money. I didnt buy out of greed. It's out of desperation. God understands. Anyway, i only spend $2.Originally posted by brown_obsession:i am not sure whether buying toto is right.. so i think better not, 'cos i dont want to risk it but looking at the response... i became to wander.
isnt it the same with 1 corithians 8 , if u not sure dont eat it. if r u sure, u may eat but dont eat in front of other christians for u r causing him/her to stumble for he/she may not has the same knowledge. knowledge puffs up but love edifies. out of love, people with knowledge shouldnt eat in front of others without knowledge for it is cause him/her to stumble , get wad i mean? -
read the bible?
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I agree.... correct methods of Biblical translation and interpretation seem to be sadly lacking amongst some young Christian (a general observation)Originally posted by M©+square:Wah tis time....i still can swallow the context part....but unker cannot accept...different tolerance level.
i think Brown_obsession have good faith, but he/she needs to go to the right bible study which teaches accurately.
Cheers
You know, I really don't know how much you spend on toto or whatever.... and I don't want to be the judge in whatever circumstances you are in..... but $2 spent on the lotteries is, most of the time, $2 down the drain....Originally posted by Raptured:I am sorry for stumbling you. If you think it's not right, dont buy. Actually i also think not right but i desperate now. I need the money. I didnt buy out of greed. It's out of desperation. God understands. Anyway, i only spend $2.