The true meaning of Valentine's Day!
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Huh .. there is clean and unclean food for the Christians?Originally posted by sgdiehard:As Christians, how far are we prepared to make our voice heard so that the society does not change against our values, if not shaping the soiety with our values? The muslim community has succeeded to a larger extent. Now we have many foodcourts which are selling halal food. Christians can talk till cows come home but we have yet to see a restaurant that sell food that is clean for Christians.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:This is really getting too far from the main topic. Will stop here.
Thanks and regards
didn't you say stop a few posts ago....? why are you continuing?
just because i don't like sharing rooms, does not mean that i impose this standard on everyone..... -
Originally posted by Chin Eng: didn't you say stop a few posts ago....? why are you continuing?
just because i don't like sharing rooms, does not mean that i impose this standard on everyone.....Originally posted by Chin Eng:no problem.. you didn't reply my PM..... -
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If I ask you to pray for me am I worshipping you?Originally posted by breytonhartge:You ask a saint to pray for you, but we are told in the bible that we have a mediator that person is Christ. Not the saints. As praying is a form of worship, then by praying to St Valentine, you are worshipping him... and it is clearly stated in the 10 commandments you are to worship the Lord only.
You have thus sinned against God. Even Jesus said in the NT when He was tempted by the devil, you shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve. -
You want to be a believer, then Jesus said follow my commandments.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:If I ask you to pray for me am I worshipping you?
I leave it with you. If you do not see it, you do not see it, not point discussing it. You bring up such irrelevant points. You have access the Jesus who sits at the right hand of God who mediates for us and you want a saint to pray for you? It's like you have acess directly to the King, but you go through the scullery boy to get a message to the king. Got it? Your choice. I know which one I would choose.
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agreed! agreed! every other day we are asking our bros & sis in Christ to help pray for us which means we r worshipping them ah? Wat nonsense?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:If I ask you to pray for me am I worshipping you?
so to say we cannot ask anyone for that matter to interceed for us? -
intercede
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Will you ask a dead friend to pray for you?Originally posted by babyys:agreed! agreed! every other day we are asking our bros & sis in Christ to help pray for us which means we r worshipping them ah? Wat nonsense?
so to say we cannot ask anyone for that matter to interceed for us?
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Wahahahah......As i read i was laughing my head off, from love to divorce to pre-marital sex. Gosh! some of you really can think to the extremes.
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sorry la i BTC (Boh Tak Chek) therefore my engrand power wahahaha....Originally posted by laurence82:intercede 
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then wat r the saints for? they r also dead wat? like dat everyone can also be saint wat cause no difference.Originally posted by M©+square:Will you ask a dead friend to pray for you?
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Then would you educate me on the office and function of saints?Originally posted by babyys:then wat r the saints for? they r also dead wat? like dat everyone can also be saint wat cause no difference.
Do all who believes in Christ and strive to live a holy life entitled sainthood?
Or only Apostles in the New Testament are entitled to Sainthood.
When does the title 'Saint' cease?
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I would not enlist the prayers of the saints who have been promoted to glory [the ones who died] for God said in His Word:Originally posted by babyys:then wat r the saints for? they r also dead wat? like dat everyone can also be saint wat cause no difference.
Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ec 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.
How can i therefore ask their intercessions for me if they cannot even hear me here...............God says: they know nothing of what's going on here.
The first century Christians [including the apostles] understood those words. And so they never ask the dead saints to pray for them. REad it in God's Word in the New Testament. No single soul prayed to the dead saints to pray for them.
However, they enlisted the prayers of the living saints. Read it.
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Originally posted by Ironside:
Hmmm....let me c how should i put it. Wat i'm trying to say is what's wrong with getting someone to intercede for us? Say for example in the Catholic context where they say the "Hail Mary"
I would not enlist the prayers of the saints who have been promoted to glory [the ones who died] for God said in His Word:
Ec 9:5 For the living know that they shall die; [b]but the dead know not anything, neither have they any more a reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
Ec 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.
How can i therefore ask their intercessions for me if they cannot even hear me here...............God says: they know nothing of what's going on here.
The first century Christians [including the apostles] understood those words. And so they never ask the dead saints to pray for them. REad it in God's Word in the New Testament. No single soul prayed to the dead saints to pray for them.
However, they enlisted the prayers of the living saints. Read it.
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it says " PRAY FOR US sinners now and at the hour of our death"
another example :
"I confess to almighty God,
and to you,
my brothers and sisters,
that I have sinned through my own fault,
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done,
and in what I have failed to do;
and I ask blessed Mary,
ever virgin,
all the angels and saints,
and you,
my brothers and sisters,
to pray for me to the Lord our God."
Mary is dead, the saints are dead so to say the Catholic doctrine has been all wrong for centuries?[/b] -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SaintOriginally posted by M©+square:Then would you educate me on the office and function of saints?
Do all who believes in Christ and strive to live a holy life entitled sainthood?
Or only Apostles in the New Testament are entitled to Sainthood.
When does the title 'Saint' cease?
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Originally posted by babyys:
Yup, Mary's dead, the saints are dead.
Mary is dead, the saints are dead so to say the Catholic doctrine has been all wrong for centuries?
so what does God say about those who have died?
Ec 9:5 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten.
Ec 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.
Is Mary dead? are the saints dead? Yes
[Ironside asking God]
"Lord, can Mary and the saints who have departed hear me when i pray"?
".................the dead know nothing." was the reply.
I would advice you my friend to be guided by God's word. You can never go wrong. praying to the dead my friend is divination. It is prohited by God.
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Originally posted by babyys:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint
So which religion's theology do you embrace?
How come give me such a general description? You scared i don't know ah?
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wah! over night the drift is even greater....
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Originally posted by babyys:
Yes.
Mary is dead, the saints are dead so to say the Catholic doctrine has been all wrong for centuries?[/b] -
Originally posted by Ironside:
"Lord, can Mary and the saints who have departed hear me when i pray"?
Yup, Mary's dead, the saints are dead.
so what does God say about those who have died?
Ec 9:5 For the living know that they will die; [b]But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten.
Ec 9:10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.
Is Mary dead? are the saints dead? Yes
[Ironside asking God]
"Lord, can Mary and the saints who have departed hear me when i pray"?
".................the dead know nothing." was the reply.
I would advice you my friend to be guided by God's word. You can never go wrong. praying to the dead my friend is divination. It is prohited by God.
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".................the dead know nothing." was the reply.
How would u know God's reply? We're not him so don't presume.
There is also a major difference in Praying TO them and asking them to pray FOR us. From the start i never said to pray to the saints or Mary for that matter. That would then be idolatary.
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On wat grounds have u to say their doctrine is sala? r we to say that the theologians from past centuries have all been learning the wrong thing?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Yes.
Even Luther and John Calvin who were the forefathers to protestanism gave reverence to the Holy Mother. So u mean to say they were also doing the wrong stuff? -
this part of the drift started last night, now the debate is into prayers and saintsOriginally posted by Chin Eng:wah! over night the drift is even greater.... -
I really stopped, this is a drift in a new direction.Originally posted by Chin Eng:wah! over night the drift is even greater.... -
agree. This was brought up before. Somehow no Protestant can answer whether Luther and Calvin were right or wrong. They just went on and on quoting verses from the bible, trying to sound right.Originally posted by babyys:On wat grounds have u to say their doctrine is sala? r we to say that the theologians from past centuries have all been learning the wrong thing?
Even Luther and John Calvin who were the forefathers to protestanism gave reverence to the Holy Mother. So u mean to say they were also doing the wrong stuff?
About Luther and Calvin giving reverence to the Mother...
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