Second Coming: Are you ready?
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Responded leh.... why, network slow ah?Originally posted by laurence82:Arghh, icemoon, stop giving history lesson, i got headache already
brey and chin eng, pls respond to my PMs. Sankyew -
orh yah, i think soOriginally posted by Chin Eng:Responded leh.... why, network slow ah?
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Wanting the job and doing a good job are two entire different and unrelated things. Please don't get them mixed up again.Originally posted by breytonhartge:If I did not want the job, I would not have taken it. So are you officially saying I suck at being a mod?
With your current state of mind and your inclination towards a certain view, I'd say yes, you are not turning out too well.
Perhaps we should step back and define for ourselves:
What is the role of a moderator? and may I also invite anyone reading this to contribute to what he/she thinks a moderator is. -
Old man, you have your views and I have mine. You read the Koran and you tell me whether they preach the same gospel as Jesus. If they do then they are not anti-christ. My opinions are based on the bible. I may have misstated my opinion in an earlier post, but I believe that i have clarified it sufficiently for it to be clear to you, unless you don't understand and require further clarification?Originally posted by Chin Eng:here's where your judgment is clouded by your apparent hatred for muslims. yes there are radicals in the muslim world, but isn't there the same radicals within Christiandom? Ain't you now guilty of judging the muslim world because of a small number of insane individuals leading a bunch of misinformed or ill-informed followers. Still despite all these, you cannot prove that they are the anti-christ spoken in revelations.
My choice of words? No misunderstanding here..... if they cut, they were chosen to cut.
The fight between the muslims and the Jews who will ultimately be restored to their rightful position and who still ARE Gods people and our brothers and sisters, have been going on since Hagar and Sarah. Isaac and Ishmael. Who do you think as a Christian we are? We are God's children. We are brothers and sisters in Christ, if the muslims war agains the Jews, they war agains our brothers and sisters. Unless you cannot see this link? My opinion.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to incite racial hatred or say that I hate muslims. You judge me when you do not even know the situation. I have many friends who are muslim and I some are very dear to me. We agree to disagree and leave it at that. I do not go and condemn every muslim out there. We are discussing this in the context of the end times and revelation in a Christian forum. Did I ever state that I hate muslims. I just merely pointed out that they have been speaking against Christians and that they have a different gospel. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Thank you.
If you read the article, it talks about the prophecy in revelations that the anti-christ will come from the roman empire, all the writer pointed out is that with the fascination for people to focus on the RC church, they may miss something which may be of significance and that is that the arab nations were also part of the roman empire. It does give food for thought. -
I will give you my answer when sillyme replies to my pm. Hope you understand, I need to clarify somethings with him first. RegardsOriginally posted by laurence82:Arghh, icemoon, stop giving history lesson, i got headache already
brey and chin eng, pls respond to my PMs. Sankyew -
So why do you say that I trivialise the issue?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Old man, you have your views and I have mine. -
If it needs to be, I am very allright with it.Originally posted by breytonhartge:I will give you my answer when sillyme replies to my pm. Hope you understand, I need to clarify somethings with him first. Regards
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Thanks but i don't need the history lesson. Jews and Christians are also at each others throat throughout, but suddenly it's a-ok overnight according to you.....hmmOriginally posted by breytonhartge:The fight between the muslims and the Jews who will ultimately be restored to their rightful position and who still ARE Gods people and our brothers and sisters, have been going on since Hagar and Sarah. Isaac and Ishmael. Who do you think as a Christian we are? We are God's children. We are brothers and sisters in Christ, if the muslims war agains the Jews, they war agains our brothers and sisters. Unless you cannot see this link? My opinion.
Muslims speaking out against Christians, that's a surprise.... as if Christians don't speak out against Muslims, and buddhists and taoists...... So... we have the right to believe we are the chosen one, and the others don't? So... if they condemn us, bad, but it is within our right to condemn them?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to incite racial hatred or say that I hate muslims. You judge me when you do not even know the situation. I have many friends who are muslim and I some are very dear to me. We agree to disagree and leave it at that. I do not go and condemn every muslim out there. We are discussing this in the context of the end times and revelation in a Christian forum. Did I ever state that I hate muslims. I just merely pointed out that they have been speaking against Christians and that they have a different gospel. DO NOT PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Thank you.
They have a different gospel? That's another surprise..... don't they all have different gospels (i am not even sure that the word gospel is the correct word)
.... and my point remains..... different writers have given their views on who the anti-Christ is over the ages.... so if I am missing something, are you too?Originally posted by breytonhartge:If you read the article, it talks about the prophecy in revelations that the anti-christ will come from the roman empire, all the writer pointed out is that with the fascination for people to focus on the RC church, they may miss something which may be of significance and that is that the arab nations were also part of the roman empire. It does give food for thought.
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hmm, going to sentosa and Ice Cold Beer tml, wont be around the whole day
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Because I see things differently from you, different angle. Lets just leave this ok? Otherwise we start all over again.. sigh...Originally posted by Chin Eng:So why do you say that I trivialise the issue? -
CE, if you are a Christian, then all other gospels are false and will stand false to you. If we choose to follow CHRIST, then all others will by our choice be regarded as false. If you as a Christian cannot believe that the faith you have chosen and the relationship you have chosen is the correct and only one, then why are you a Christian?Originally posted by Chin Eng:.... and my point remains..... different writers have given their views on who the anti-Christ is over the ages.... so if I am missing something, are you too?
So I ask you: am I trivalising the issue?
For a Christian being sold out to God is the most important thing. If you are not 100% for God, then why be a Christian. If by being a Christian I have to acknowledge that Jesus is the only way and that all others are not, then I have to, my whole being demands it.
I do not condemn other peoples religions and do not hate other religions, I just do not believe in other religions. For if I do, I forsake my Lord and I am nothing but a double minded man and the bible says a double minded man availeth to nought.
You want to impartial, your choice, I choose not to. I speak for Christ and Christ alone. Do not forget EH is a Christian forum. If by me speaking with a very strong bias for Christ in a Christian forum is wrong, then I am wrong, but I will not think or speak different. If you want to ridicule me and say that I incite religious hatred go ahead. That was never my meaning or my intention. If you cannot take your head out of the water long enough to see clearly, then I have nothing else I can say.
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CE, you have to realise that this minority is a very dangerous minority, this is the minority that has destroyed 4 airplanes, the twin towers and the pentagon, not to mention all the devastation in london and this supposed minority has a leader in one of its nations proclaiming on international TV, that they will destroy all the americans, and the jews and the Christians. Now, who is inciting racial hatred. Do you mean that this minority of yours is not dangerous to the world? In the name of Jihad, they kill and destroy without rhyme or reason, all based on some "fuzzy" idea of an infidel against them.
There are more fanatics out there than we think. Do not be decieved.
Yet, I have said before and I say again, I do not hate them, nor do I want to incite racial hatred. -
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Aiyo .. be more diplomatic can.Originally posted by breytonhartge:CE, if you are a Christian, then all other gospels are false and will stand false to you. If we choose to follow CHRIST, then all others will by our choice be regarded as false. If you as a Christian cannot believe that the faith you have chosen and the relationship you have chosen is the correct and only one, then why are you a Christian?
For a Christian being sold out to God is the most important thing. If you are not 100% for God, then why be a Christian. If by being a Christian I have to acknowledge that Jesus is the only way and that all others are not, then I have to, my whole being demands it.
Also the issue here is .. what do we mean by 100% for God? There is a fine line between fanaticism and love. -
Good question..... I am sure the jihadist also think they are 100% for God... but what does that prove?Originally posted by Icemoon:....what do we mean by 100% for God? There is a fine line between fanaticism and love. -
So because we see things differently, I am trivialising things and you are not? Hmm.... interesting....Originally posted by breytonhartge:Because I see things differently from you, different angle. Lets just leave this ok? Otherwise we start all over again.. sigh...
Sure you are correct, if you are just a regular fervent Christian guy contributing to this forum. But you are NOT just a regular fervent Christian guy writing stuff.... you are the darn moderator. You know, if I am a non-Christian and you are a judge, I will be very afraid, because you are not objective as a judge (moderator?)Originally posted by breytonhartge:CE, if you are a Christian, then all other gospels are false and will stand false to you. If we choose to follow CHRIST, then all others will by our choice be regarded as false. If you as a Christian cannot believe that the faith you have chosen and the relationship you have chosen is the correct and only one, then why are you a Christian?
For a Christian being sold out to God is the most important thing. If you are not 100% for God, then why be a Christian. If by being a Christian I have to acknowledge that Jesus is the only way and that all others are not, then I have to, my whole being demands it.
I do not condemn other peoples religions and do not hate other religions, I just do not believe in other religions. For if I do, I forsake my Lord and I am nothing but a double minded man and the bible says a double minded man availeth to nought.
You want to impartial, your choice, I choose not to. I speak for Christ and Christ alone. Do not forget EH is a Christian forum. If by me speaking with a very strong bias for Christ in a Christian forum is wrong, then I am wrong, but I will not think or speak different. If you want to ridicule me and say that I incite religious hatred go ahead. That was never my meaning or my intention. If you cannot take your head out of the water long enough to see clearly, then I have nothing else I can say.
God Bless.
Don't forget, you are wearing two hats. Yes EH is a Christian forum, but it is not a Christian forum like, say, Agora in Antioch.com. EH still falls under the broader public forum arena, no church owns EH.
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Thought very hard about this one:Originally posted by breytonhartge:For a Christian being sold out to God is the most important thing. If you are not 100% for God, then why be a Christian. If by being a Christian I have to acknowledge that Jesus is the only way and that all others are not, then I have to, my whole being demands it.
I am a Christian, I am 100% behind what I believe - this has nothing to do with what others believe in - meaning: the first part of the statement is all inclusive, it does not need any validation from an outside source. I am a Christian, I acknowledge that Jesus is the only way and all others beliefs are not - is also an all inclusive statement, also do not need any external validation - the only human factor in this statement is "I". It is an internalised decision. But by being the above, do I have the right to deny the rights of others who feel the same way about their own faiths and beliefs?
..... just a point to ponder over....
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Have I ever denyed anybody the right to feel the same way about their faith? Have I deny the right of others to feel strongly about their faith NO. So who is taking what out of context?Originally posted by Chin Eng: But by being the above, do I have the right to deny the rights of others who feel the same way about their own faiths and beliefs?
..... just a point to ponder over.... or maybe I am trivialising again.
Just because I state a personal belief does not mean that I deny someone else their right who feel strongly about another faith (there you go putting words in my mouth again). By all means go ahead. If that person wants to post it here on this forum, then understand that there may be a difference of opinion. -
I'd say you have a it wrong, I may be biased towards Christ, but I have always been fair. If I made a mistake I own up. Even though EH falls under a public forum, this does not mean that in moderating, I have to be impatial to the point of not acknowledging my own faith in Jesus. If a person has done nothing wrong then what is there to fear, regardless of whether I am a Christian or not. CE, you are making a mole hill out of an anthill.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Sure you are correct, if you are just a regular fervent Christian guy contributing to this forum. But you are NOT just a regular fervent Christian guy writing stuff.... you are the darn moderator. You know, if I am a non-Christian and you are a judge, I will be very afraid, because you are not objective as a judge (moderator?)
Don't forget, you are wearing two hats. Yes EH is a Christian forum, but it is not a Christian forum like, say, Agora in Antioch.com. EH still falls under the broader public forum arena, no church owns EH.
If you cannot be impartial, then I'd say you violated one of the responsibilities of being a moderator. -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:Just because I state a personal belief does not mean that I deny someone else their right who feel strongly about another faith (there you go putting words in my mouth again). By all means go ahead. If that person wants to post it here on this forum, then understand that there may be a difference of opinion. a difference of opinion to a point where a thread is close because it is deemed not having "worthwhile discussion and looks like there are some people here determined to cause trouble"? or having some threads edited? or calling a difference of opinion "trivialising". If there truly is an avenue of difference of opinion, then I am of the opinion that posting religiously insensitive information is not good, and that unless there is truth in what is posted, the writer is guilty of rumour mongering. Just my opinion.
so brey, where were some post edited? difference of opinion, or personal attacks? If it is the latter, you have every right as the mod to do so, but if it a different opinion, and you go back to your self-confessed inability to be impartial stand, than there is something very wrong with the defintion of your role. -
Did I say that because of impartiality you need to deny your faith? Where did you get that?Originally posted by breytonhartge:I'd say you have a it wrong, I may be biased towards Christ, but I have always been fair. If I made a mistake I own up. Even though EH falls under a public forum, this does not mean that in moderating, I have to be impatial to the point of not acknowledging my own faith in Jesus. If a person has done nothing wrong then what is there to fear, regardless of whether I am a Christian or not. CE, you are making a mole hill out of an anthill.
I am saying that to be impartiality, you need to allow for people to state their opinions (regardless of how trivial it may seem to you) even though these opinions goes against your beliefs. -
How else would you word it? Being a Christian means I believe in Jesus and nothing else.Originally posted by Icemoon:Aiyo .. be more diplomatic can.
Also the issue here is .. what do we mean by 100% for God? There is a fine line between fanaticism and love.
Luke 14:26 (Amplified Bible)
26If anyone comes to Me and does not hate his [own] father and mother [[a]in the sense of indifference to or relative disregard for them in comparison with his attitude toward God] and [likewise] his wife and children and brothers and sisters--[yes] and even his own life also--he cannot be My disciple.
Being 100% for God means that you put Him first in all areas of your life, your work, your relationships.
Matthew 6:33 (Amplified Bible)
33But seek ([a]aim at and strive after) first of all His kingdom and His righteousness ([b]His way of doing and being right), and then all these things [c]taken together will be given you besides. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
You trivialise things because you say when the discussion about the anti-christ was taking place and the al mahdi from the muslim faith was alluded to as being THE antichrist, you started calling all of us who were discussing the topic rumour mongers and inciting racial hatred and saying that by doing that we deny others of their own feelings for their own religions. Not true.
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So because we see things differently, I am trivialising things and you are not? Hmm.... interesting.... [b]
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:You trivialise things because you say when the discussion about the anti-christ was taking place and the al mahdi from the muslim faith was alluded to as being THE antichrist, you started calling all of us who were discussing the topic rumour mongers and inciting racial hatred and saying that by doing that we deny others of their own feelings for their own religions. Not true.
EH is like one big bible study. People ask questions and the Christians here give answers. Some stronger than others. so I cannot give my opinion on the trend of discussion, and that is trivialising? I did not call YOU a rumour monger, I said if you cannot prove it, don't be part of rumour mongering. The crux of any statments I make pertaining to this point: is the proving of the issues. so if I am in an ACTUAL Bible Study group with you, I cannot provide an alternative view, let alone a strong alternative view? so people ask questions and if the question sound stupid, I cannot express the opinion that I think the question is either stupid or wrongly phrased? only Christians can give answers? Non-Christians cannot?