There will not be smoke if there is no fire.
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Wat message are u trying to get across???
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Tsk, read the Title of this thread. Surely there is something wrong in pentacostal/charismatic churches so much so that there are support groups for ex members.
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Why judge? All authority belongs to God. Let Him decide. We should really look at our own personal walk with God before pin-pointing at others.Originally posted by Deportivo:Tsk, read the Title of this thread. Surely there is something wrong in pentacostal/charismatic churches so much so that there are support groups for ex members.
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"Jugde" is an all too familiar excuse and cover.Originally posted by babyys:Why judge? All authority belongs to God. Let Him decide. We should really look at our own personal walk with God before pin-pointing at others.
"The church is perfect till we stepped in"
What has happen to challenging fellow Christians, admonishing one another, iron sharpeneth iron?
What about truth? I read the thread about Disco in church. If i express my disapproval, will you tell me not to "judge"? -
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agree....Originally posted by fandango:"Jugde" is an all too familiar excuse and cover.
What has happen to challenging fellow Christians, admonishing one another, iron sharpeneth iron?
What about truth? I read the thread about Disco in church. If i express my disapproval, will you tell me not to "judge"?
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This seems to be based in US, not sure how applicable it is to local church context here, and seems like most cases cited are either cults and/or are deviant teaching.Originally posted by Deportivo:
Unless there is definite prove about them teaching unbiblical deviant teaching or are doing 'cultic' practice, pls refrain from church naming (its not nice).Originally posted by Deportivo:Tsk, read the Title of this thread. Surely there is something wrong in pentacostal/charismatic churches so much so that there are support groups for ex members.
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you mean:Originally posted by vince69:Unless there is definite prove about them teaching unbiblical deviant teaching or are doing 'cultic' practice, pls refrain from church naming (its not nice).
- holy laughter,
- pray in tongues,
- christian "rock"
- holy hankerchief
- etc
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May I ask, why on earth does that site have a restriction on minors under 18? What on earth can be so horrible that the age restriction must be there?
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Disturbing content.Originally posted by fallin:May I ask, why on earth does that site have a restriction on minors under 18? What on earth can be so horrible that the age restriction must be there? -
It was never wrong to judge. It is however, wrong to jump to conclusions or to condemn people.
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try this... judge using god's standard, and not ours?Originally posted by fandango:"Jugde" is an all too familiar excuse and cover.
What has happen to challenging fellow Christians, admonishing one another, iron sharpeneth iron?
What about truth? I read the thread about Disco in church. If i express my disapproval, will you tell me not to "judge"?
for example, just because its your conviction not to drink, when other ppl drink u assume that its a sin and God disapproves of it, when its not true, according to the bible.
righteous judgement, when someone bears false witness against someone else, you know its definitely wrong and God definitely disapproves of this action, you inform the person in love, and use the bible as the authority of God's words. that isn't "judging" already.
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any reason why these are consider cultic practice?Originally posted by Deportivo:you mean:
- holy laughter,
- pray in tongues,
- christian "rock"
- holy hankerchief
- etc
is not cultic enough?
- holy laughter,
* ok, laughter may not be holy, but don't see any reason why laughing is
bad either
- pray in tongues,
* this is not cultic, many apostles practice this (recorded in the Bible)
- christian "rock"
* whose standard here, maybe not goes well with traditional/conservative views, but not metioned in the Bible that its cultic.
- holy hankerchief
* ok, though there are records on people touching the clothes/apron...etc of the apostles and got healed/delivered from bondage, the one who heals/deliver is Jesus, no such thing as holy hanky.
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My short version answer:Originally posted by vince69:any reason why these are consider cultic practice?
- holy laughter,
* ok, laughter may not be holy, but don't see any reason why laughing is
bad either
- pray in tongues,
* this is not cultic, many apostles practice this (recorded in the Bible)
- christian "rock"
* whose standard here, maybe not goes well with traditional/conservative views, but not metioned in the Bible that its cultic.
- holy hankerchief
* ok, though there are records on people touching the clothes/apron...etc of the apostles and got healed/delivered from bondage, the one who heals/deliver is Jesus, no such thing as holy hanky.
(I would only goes to the extend of calling a church cultic, when they reject the works/death/resurrection of Jesus, twisted the word of God as in the Bible ...etc)
Holy laughter - Unbiblical, unsubstantiated, cannot even remotely be tied to the Day of Pentecost (which is the most commonly given reason for this "phenomenal"
Holy handkerchief - As good as a "pantang" practice, having an "holy" article. I have some of these at home - holey handkerchieves.....
Christian Rock - One need to know the purpose of Christian lyrics: that being to be used as worship of God. Christian songs/music is not intended to be a jam session, or karaoke, or sing-along. When Christian songs follow a secular genre, than the supporters of this genre will need to be convinced or to convince the other listens that there is indeed worship. Some supposedly Christian rock is so similar to heavy metal that makes me wonder where the worship is.
Tongues - A very controversial topic. While I do not personally believe gifts have ceased, I am not convinced that the Biblical model of how tongues are to be used can be found in modern day churches. Yes there are various teachings on why these tongues are used in the way they are used today, as well as various arguments and justifications, many of such arguments fall very short of the model found in Acts and 1 Corinthians where both Luke and Paul gave detailed boundary of use.