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He is compassionate and loving. He is jealous and kills a lot. isnt it contradictory?Originally posted by breytonhartge:It fits in to the God of judgement... which He is as well. -
If the choice is made by a non-believer to be a non-believer, then why should that person then bother whether we Christians think it is all right or not. They have free will to make that choice, so obviously it seems the right one to make for them.Originally posted by laurence82:Your last para is void, because it is contradictory. You actually mean being a non believer is allright? Either you have to bash or you dont. If not, dont evangelise then.
We don't have to bash. Lau, chill here, I will say it again, just because we have a differing opinion, does not mean we are bashing non-christians, or look at it from the other viewpoint, non-christians are always bashing Christians for believing in Jesus as the only way to salvation(the only way to Heaven). There are always two sides to every coin.
I think lau that you are focusing on the wrong thing here. Anything can be misconstrued if you want to do so, words and language can be twisted to suit a specific agenda, especially when we cannot see the face and the emotion of the person actually writing the post. I will give fallin the benefit and take his question at face value. Nothing in the posts seems to indicate to me that it is bait. -
Not contradictory, God instructed the Isrealites to kill their enemies so that they could possess the land to which He was giving them, these enemies were idol worshippers, worshipping baal etc.. they were idolaters, adulterers, etc.. engaged in immoral acts and things that displeased God.Originally posted by dragg:He is compassionate and loving. He is jealous and kills a lot. isnt it contradictory?
God does say that He is a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Him. That there are to be no other gods before Him. -
Trying to tell you about what is to come and how to avoid it so that you can go to Heaven as well.Originally posted by shade343:It is you christians who go round telling people that non christians will go to hell. If you are not condemning then what are you doing?
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Actually we Christians tell non-believers the consequences of not believing in Jesus, we do not tell non-believers that they are going to hell... there is a difference. If we told non-believers that they are going to hell means that it is a definite thing already, but as long as the non-believer have not died, this situation can change. The person has always got a choice before him/her, should this person then choose to believe, then he/she will not go to hell. Until the time of death, this situation is not a certainty.Originally posted by shade343:YOu know Im referring to you. -
I think laurence that you have to consider this statement carefully, it applies both ways as well, you non-christians are bashing us Christians for who we are and what we believe...Originally posted by laurence82:Sheesh, looks like somebody still choose not to understannd what is bashing people for their actions and what is bashing people for who they are, what are their beliefs. -
that to me is more than just jealousy, its cruelty.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Not contradictory, God instructed the Isrealites to kill their enemies so that they could possess the land to which He was giving them, these enemies were idol worshippers, worshipping baal etc.. they were idolaters, adulterers, etc.. engaged in immoral acts and things that displeased God.
God does say that He is a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Him. That there are to be no other gods before Him. -
Nope, it doesnt.Originally posted by breytonhartge:I think laurence that you have to consider this statement carefully, it applies both ways as well, you non-christians are bashing us Christians for who we are and what we believe...
You have your belief, its how you apply it.
Setting up a flamebait topic, talking abt hell for non believers etc
The answers we know, dont have to repeat.
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If you cannot see it, then you cannot see it.Originally posted by dragg:that to me is more than just jealousy, its cruelty. -
This is crap. If we choose to be non believers, you will stop evangelising? You will stop harping on this issue? There wont be such a topic on what will happen to non believers and all that? It is what you will possibly think, and more importantly say and act upon when you know there are non believers. You can promise that there will no likes of JTB who defiled the reputations and characters of the tsunami or Pakistani earthquake victims?Originally posted by breytonhartge:If the choice is made by a non-believer to be a non-believer, then why should that person then bother whether we Christians think it is all right or not. They have free will to make that choice, so obviously it seems the right one to make for them.
We don't have to bash. Lau, chill here, I will say it again, just because we have a differing opinion, does not mean we are bashing non-christians, or look at it from the other viewpoint, non-christians are always bashing Christians for believing in Jesus as the only way to salvation(the only way to Heaven). There are always two sides to every coin.
I think lau that you are focusing on the wrong thing here. Anything can be misconstrued if you want to do so, words and language can be twisted to suit a specific agenda, especially when we cannot see the face and the emotion of the person actually writing the post. I will give fallin the benefit and take his question at face value. Nothing in the posts seems to indicate to me that it is bait.
Again, I have not even gotten to the character of the threadstarter. All along, even in my entire number of posts in EH, its abt the manner of speech. You post such topic, its a possible flamebait, it doesnt matter if the threadstarter is an innocent bumbling fool. The consequences, the responses have shown it all what it will and has already become. Do we still need to even question the character of the threadstarter or any forumer? -
Applies to you tooOriginally posted by breytonhartge:If you cannot see it, then you cannot see it. -
i agree with lau.Originally posted by breytonhartge:If you cannot see it, then you cannot see it.
believers, including other religions, always choose to ignore the obvious and will say anything to justify their beliefs.
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Being a Chrisitan is being called to live a life of FAITH, not logic, even the bible clearly states, God will use the foolish things of this world to shame the wise. Dragg, you more than anyone should be very careful with where you are at. Take care brother.Originally posted by dragg:i agree with lau.
believers, including other religions, always choose to ignore the obvious and will say anything to justify their beliefs.
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not logic?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Being a Chrisitan is being called to live a life of FAITH, not logic, even the bible clearly states, God will use the foolish things of this world to shame the wise. Dragg, you more than anyone should be very careful with where you are at. Take care brother.
than why christianity? there are many religions that call a life of faith too. so are they real too?
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KSM???Originally posted by laoda99:Has anyone forced their beliefs to u here? Who's inciting hate here? Who has an axe to grind with christians?
U choose to come to Eternal Hope (a christian forum) urself, make up a big hoo ha abt who is going to hell and accuse christians of forcing their beliefs on u.
And stop blaming the mods. U know u are at fault for being so pushy.
Whenever an unbeliever come to a christian forum and make trouble, it is always the christian's fault. This is sheer nonsense.
Shame on u.
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Brey. You remember my first reply to your post? Ambiguous conclusion?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Being a Chrisitan is being called to live a life of FAITH, not logic, even the bible clearly states, God will use the foolish things of this world to shame the wise. Dragg, you more than anyone should be very careful with where you are at. Take care brother.
Because i somewhat believe in Limited Atonement.
My end have been decided since before i was born.
God could accept a murderer who kill his friend to salvation
and let his unbelieving friend who was killed to miss hearing salvation.
I believe in Sovereignty of God and i believe in my statement above.
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God sees the heart. I am not the final judge. I believe only in the sovereignty of God. While I understand where you are coming from MC, there are more important things at hand than debating differing points of theology. Theology is man made, all the arguments that come from the arminian's or the calvinist's are all flawed because they stem from human understanding. My question to you then is this, since we all know that Jesus is also the word become flesh among us, then what does Jesus say? If you can answer this question, you then will have your answer.Originally posted by M©+square:Brey. You remember my first reply to your post? Ambiguous conclusion?
Because i somewhat believe in Limited Atonement.
My end have been decided since before i was born.
God could accept a murderer who kill his friend to salvation
and let his unbelieving friend who was killed to miss hearing salvation.
I believe in Sovereignty of God and i believe in my statement above.
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Let me conduct a simple survey.
Can a Non-Christian go to heaven?
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A non-Christian who never know Jesus and a non-Christian who rejected Jesus to be clearer, perhaps.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Let me conduct a simple survey.
Can a Non-Christian go to heaven?
Yes or No is fine. -
If you are asking the answers from Christians, yes or no presents a double edged sword.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Let me conduct a simple survey.
Can a Non-Christian go to heaven?
Yes or No is fine.
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heehee...very carefulOriginally posted by askxyz:A non-Christian who never know Jesus and a non-Christian who rejected Jesus to be clearer, perhaps.
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You can be even clearer.Originally posted by askxyz:A non-Christian who never know Jesus and a non-Christian who rejected Jesus to be clearer, perhaps.
A non-Christian who never know Jesus and a non-Christian who rejected the Jesus of the Gospel.
Come on .. Shady obviously has the wrong version of Jesus.
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I don't read what shadey posted. Fill me in on that?Originally posted by Icemoon:You can be even clearer.
A non-Christian who never know Jesus and a non-Christian who rejected the Jesus of the Gospel.
Come on .. Shady obviously has the wrong version of Jesus.
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Who is next to provide an even more exact definition of non christian?Originally posted by Icemoon:You can be even clearer.
A non-Christian who never know Jesus and a non-Christian who rejected the Jesus of the Gospel.
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Originally posted by laurence82:Who is next to provide an even more exact definition of non christian? can't be bothered.