Unbelieving loved ones
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draggOriginally posted by dragg:i already said i backslided.
what is there to doubt?
there are a lot of people who keep singing praises and claim they are believers yet know nothing about the religion.
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Maybe fallin wants reassurance? Maybe he is looking for encouragement? Don't be so quick to judge that this thread was set up to bash non-christians. Look at the context in which it is posted, in a Christian forum, sure there are non-believers here as well, but maybe fallin just wanted an opinion from his brothers and sisters in Christ, sure non-believers can also read this post and ask questions it is here for all to see.Originally posted by laurence82:Really? More often than not, christians have the tendency to bash unbelievers for who they are, note, not what they done. Look at this thread, condemning unbelievers to hell while not looking at their own group. I think icemoon and some had already pointed it out on the first page abt looking at unbelievers solely.
Compare this with topics like the Scrutinising the Scriptures, started in Chit Chat, where the topic is focused on what christians have done, not who they are.
Bashing for what purpose is the key. Second point, like i said, we all know the answers, fallin isnt a newbie, the outcome usually end up like this. Therefore, i question the purpose of setting up such a thread.
If its not for the purpose of bashing non believers for what they dont believe in, then what? A nice tea session?
Christians do not have all the answers, but our God does.
Just because we Christians have a different view point and are adamant about it, does not mean we are bashing non-believers, we are entitled to hold our beliefs, so I would suggest that non-believers not be too sensitive about it. Read what we say with an open mind and leave it at that, think about it if you will, accept it if you agree, and disregard it if you don't.
Non-believers ask questions about our faith and our belief system, so how is it then bashing non-believers when we give you an answer that you may not agree with, it is something we believe and know to be the truth. Non-believers may hold a different perspective, but please do not get upset as we do not have any intention to bash non-believers. If the answers that Christians give non-believers upset them, then the non-believers should ask the question why? Dig deeper than just saying it is arrogance, what about it jars non-believers so much? -
God is not just a God of love, compassion and grace, but He is also a jealous God, a righteous God, a God of judgement etc... read through the OT, it will give you a very strong insight into who God is and the character of God.Originally posted by dragg:there are so many sufferings and deaths, yet you opined that God is compassionate is even more flawed. -
it is not a big mistake, the bible says that the whole earth shows the glory of the Lord...Originally posted by Icemoon:It is a big mistake of Brey to challenge unbelievers to look at the world and [automatically] realize God exists.
On the other hand, I reminded dragg (opps forgot he was a Christian) that Christianity is unlike other religions.
Psalms 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands
Numbers 14:21 ...all the earth shall be filled with the Glory of the Lord.
Isaiah 6:3 And they were calling to one another: "Holy, holy, holy is the LORD Almighty; the whole earth is full of his glory."
Habakkuk 2:14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. -
Forget it
We know the answer beforehand, seriously, why really bother?
Merry Xmas
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good morning! Merry Christmas!Originally posted by laurence82:Forget it
We know the answer beforehand, seriously, why really bother?
Merry Xmas
Good morning
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Again, like i said earlier, fallin is not a newbie, and what reassurance or encouragement, when it still go back to the notion that non christians will go to hell?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Maybe fallin wants reassurance? Maybe he is looking for encouragement? Don't be so quick to judge that this thread was set up to bash non-christians. Look at the context in which it is posted, in a Christian forum, sure there are non-believers here as well, but maybe fallin just wanted an opinion from his brothers and sisters in Christ, sure non-believers can also read this post and ask questions it is here for all to see.
Christians do not have all the answers, but our God does.
Just because we Christians have a different view point and are adamant about it, does not mean we are bashing non-believers, we are entitled to hold our beliefs, so I would suggest that non-believers not be too sensitive about it. Read what we say with an open mind and leave it at that, think about it if you will, accept it if you agree, and disregard it if you don't.
Non-believers ask questions about our faith and our belief system, so how is it then bashing non-believers when we give you an answer that you may not agree with, it is something we believe and know to be the truth. Non-believers may hold a different perspective, but please do not get upset as we do not have any intention to bash non-believers. If the answers that Christians give non-believers upset them, then the non-believers should ask the question why? Dig deeper than just saying it is arrogance, what about it jars non-believers so much?
Just a nicer way of saying things thats all. Rip apart all the emotional niceties like encouragement and reassurance, it still come back to the same thing - non christian who does not believe willl go to hell. Are you willing to budge from the stance or belief that non believers in christ will not go to heaven?
Your last para is void, because it is contradictory. You actually mean being a non believer is allright? Either you have to bash or you dont. If not, dont evangelise then.
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i have read enough to understand all the points you mentioned.Originally posted by breytonhartge:God is not just a God of love, compassion and grace, but He is also a jealous God, a righteous God, a God of judgement etc... read through the OT, it will give you a very strong insight into who God is and the character of God. -
Religions are about having a personal relationship with God. Which religion does not give that?Originally posted by breytonhartge:dragg
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haha.. christianity isn't about what you can do for God. But what God has already done for you.
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How does condemning non chrstians to hell fit into the love of GOd? It doesnt make sense. Even your logic will tell you this.Originally posted by breytonhartge:God is not just a God of love, compassion and grace, but He is also a jealous God, a righteous God, a God of judgement etc... read through the OT, it will give you a very strong insight into who God is and the character of God. -
I think Buddhism does not give that. Taoism also.Originally posted by shade343:Religions are about having a personal relationship with God. Which religion does not give that?
In Buddhism .. it is always about Dharma, Sangha, Three Treasures, Eightfold Paths etc .. where got say Buddha or Guan Yin? -
What do u really want then? u sound like the one who is bashing believers here?Originally posted by laurence82:Again, like i said earlier, fallin is not a newbie, and what reassurance or encouragement, when it still go back to the notion that non christians will go to hell?
Just a nicer way of saying things thats all. Rip apart all the emotional niceties like encouragement and reassurance, it still come back to the same thing - non christian who does not believe willl go to hell. Are you willing to budge from the stance or belief that non believers in christ will not go to heaven?
Your last para is void, because it is contradictory. You actually mean being a non believer is allright? Either you have to bash or you dont. If not, dont evangelise then.
What jars non believers so much? Lazy to find out or dont really bother to know or acknowledge?
Christians can evangelise, but if u choose not to believe in Christ, it is really ur pasah. why be so hostile to the believers here? Nobody will say u are going to hell for not believing in christ, becoz ultimately, God will be the one judging u and me, not christians.......
And u have no right to tell christians not to evangelise.
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First of all....who is condemning? I don't see any christians here telling u to go to hell.Originally posted by shade343:How does condemning non chrstians to hell fit into the love of GOd? It doesnt make sense. Even your logic will tell you this.
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It is you christians who go round telling people that non christians will go to hell. If you are not condemning then what are you doing?Originally posted by laoda99:First of all....who is condemning? I don't see any christians here telling u to go to hell.
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Be mindful what u write, do ALL CHRISTIANS go round telling people that non christian will go to hell?Originally posted by shade343:It is you christians who go round telling people that non christians will go to hell. If you are not condemning then what are you doing? -
YOu know Im referring to you.Originally posted by laoda99:Be mindful what u write, do ALL CHRISTIANS go round telling people that non christian will go to hell? -
Cool down. It is unholy to argue on Christmas Day.
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If you insist that you are going to hell, then it is really ur pasah, becoz I have not said u are going to hell.Originally posted by shade343:YOu know Im referring to you.
And it does no good for urself and ur sai baba religion that u are bashing christians.
From what I see, Christians have been most courteous and restrained here while some non believers have an axe to grind with christians. I would say it again: If u dun believe in Christ, it is really ur pasah. Nobody will tell u to go to hell. U make ur own choice. You answer for it. -
all christians have this understanding.Originally posted by laoda99:Be mindful what u write, do ALL CHRISTIANS go round telling people that non christian will go to hell? -
Refer to my previous post on bashing on what grounds, on what purpose.Originally posted by laoda99:What do u really want then? u sound like the one who is bashing believers here?
Christians can evangelise, but if u choose not to believe in Christ, it is really ur pasah. why be so hostile to the believers here? Nobody will say u are going to hell for not believing in christ, becoz ultimately, God will be the one judging u and me, not christians.......
And u have no right to tell christians not to evangelise.
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What right have u got to tell christians not to evangelise? The way u write is bashing. And I have not seen any christian here who have bashed u and ur beliefs.Originally posted by laurence82:Refer to my previous post on bashing on what grounds, on what purpose. -
Is it? Since when did I say Im going to hell?Originally posted by laoda99:If you insist that you are going to hell, then it is really ur pasah, becoz I have not said u are going to hell.
And it does no good for urself and ur sai baba religion that u are bashing christians.
From what I see, Christians have been most courteous and restrained here while some non believers have an axe to grind with christians. I would say it again: If u dun believe in Christ, it is really ur pasah. Nobody will tell u to go to hell. U make ur own choice. You answer for it.
Im not bashing anyone here. And Sai Baba is not my religion. Get ur facts right.
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Wait wait, what evangelising again? Which post u referring to?Originally posted by laoda99:What right have u got to tell christians not to evangelise? The way u write is bashing. And I have not seen any christian here who have bashed u and ur beliefs.
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U are certainly bashing. Reflect upon yourself before u accuse christians of condemning u. U already condemned urself.Originally posted by shade343:Is it? Im not bashing anyone here. And Sai Baba is not my religion. Get ur facts right.
Well, you certainly harbour the belief that non christian will go to hell.