Unbelieving loved ones
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:
Amen. Good counsel there brother.
It is probably the hardest question that we believers face, but rather than looking at it from this point of view, consider this:
maybe you are the one that is going to show them the way and God chose you first so that you would be an example to the rest of your loved ones? God chose you, and because you were faithful and believed, you are saved. Now the bigger plan is to get your family saved, you set the example.
Rather than focus on the negative aspect, which is what sa tan would want you to do, focus on the positive aspects.
Your job is to live your life as a living testimony to God, if your loved ones can see the changes in you, they will listen. I went through this myself when I first came to the Lord many years ago. Now my brother is saved, my mother is saved and my dad has gone from being anti to very open minded and listening whenever I share with him. Also had a grandmother who was not a Christian, I prayed for her for 10 years and she got saved!
One solid answer... pray and ask God to change their hearts and He will. Also have faith... time and time again in the NT, faith accomplishes much. Even in the OT, faith accomplishes much. There are so many stories, have faith!
[b]Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Just a few verses to encourage you:
James 5:16 The effectual prayer of a righteous man avails much...
Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Luke 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible...
Mark 9:23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
Mark 11:22-24 Pray believing that you have already received... [/b] -
who proved it right then ? can u prove u people go to heaven after death ? nobody knows wat happens after death, those who know wun and can't tell anywayOriginally posted by crossover:from what i know, no one on this earth has successfully proved the bible wrong before
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Look, if you guys just want to bash non christians for who they are, just admit it
This forum is getting more hypocritical by the day
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Simple. Christians do not necessary go to heaven for eternity either.Originally posted by fallin:How do you reconcile yourself with the fact that the people you love which don't believe are going to spend eternity in hell?
Your statement itself is flawed.
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Are Christians SO FULL OF EGO AND ARROGANCE to say that non christians will got to hell?Originally posted by Icemoon:Is God so injustice that he let sinners go heaven? -
frankly i believe there is a God but there is no way to prove it.Originally posted by breytonhartge:You have seen and known the Glory and you now do not believe?
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Do you think the Israelites in the past had the same dilemma too?Originally posted by dragg:frankly i believe there is a God but there is no way to prove it.
there are too many loopholes and unanswered questions. -
of course they did.Originally posted by askxyz:Do you think the Israelites in the past have the same dilemma too? -
no link at all...Originally posted by Icemoon:Please look at the victims of the tsunami and tell me God exists.
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Do you think the saints and prophets and believers in ancient times had the same dilemma too?Originally posted by dragg:of course they did. -
Can see oneOriginally posted by laoda99:no link at all...
I think i understand what icemoon mean -
are u really a baptised christian b4? I really doubt so....Originally posted by dragg:like you say, its a claim.
you mean just because there is claim it makes christianity real. moreover it only shows jesus exist, not God exist. -
why no link?Originally posted by laoda99:no link at all...
if there is a God where did He allow such things to happen? -
I can only see non believers asking difficult questions on purpose and bashing christians when they answer....Originally posted by laurence82:Look, if you guys just want to bash non christians for who they are, just admit it
This forum is getting more hypocritical by the day
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i already said i backslided.Originally posted by laoda99:are u really a baptised christian b4? I really doubt so....
what is there to doubt?
there are a lot of people who keep singing praises and claim they are believers yet know nothing about the religion. -
i doubt becoz from ur posts u do not know christianity wellOriginally posted by dragg:i already said i backslided.
what is there to doubt?
there are a lot of people who keep singing praises and claim they are believers yet know nothing about the religion.
is christ not god?
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yeah, people have their own freewill to chose their religion. They can remain as free thinkers all they want, its their choice. Ultimately, its what u do this lifetime that matters.Originally posted by laurence82:Look, if you guys just want to bash non christians for who they are, just admit it
This forum is getting more hypocritical by the day
Duh...
One can belive in a religion but do not be too into it......
"xing jiu hao, bu yao mi" -
God is compassionate and also just =)Originally posted by Ironside:That's a sobering thought there fallin. Many a time when i'm alone i cry in prayer for my mom's spiritual condition. i could not bear the thought of her spending eternity in the lake of fire. Not only her but also the rest of my family and friends.
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i am saying it from a non-believer's point of view.Originally posted by laoda99:i doubt becoz from ur posts u do not know christianity well
is christ not god?
a baptised christian will have knowledge that he is.
why dont you read from the beginning of the thread to understand the text better?
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Really? More often than not, christians have the tendency to bash unbelievers for who they are, note, not what they done. Look at this thread, condemning unbelievers to hell while not looking at their own group. I think icemoon and some had already pointed it out on the first page abt looking at unbelievers solely.Originally posted by laoda99:I can only see non believers asking difficult questions on purpose and bashing christians when they answer....
Compare this with topics like the Scrutinising the Scriptures, started in Chit Chat, where the topic is focused on what christians have done, not who they are.
Bashing for what purpose is the key. Second point, like i said, we all know the answers, fallin isnt a newbie, the outcome usually end up like this. Therefore, i question the purpose of setting up such a thread.
If its not for the purpose of bashing non believers for what they dont believe in, then what? A nice tea session?
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All men are sinnersOriginally posted by laurence82:of course, in xtian speak, we dont believe in christ mah -
compassionate?Originally posted by laoda99:God is compassionate and also just =)
then who allowed tsunami? satan again? -
http://www.bhg.com/bhg/story.jhtml?storyid=/templatedata/bhg/story/data/preventingprobs_hp_01302002.xml&catref=cat830035Originally posted by dragg:why no link?
if there is a God where did He allow such things to happen?
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either Icemoon got split personality or he is just undecided =)Originally posted by Icemoon:Please look at the victims of the tsunami and tell me God exists. -
In relation to what dragg has said, i posted one link to discussion on object permanence. Nobody even dare to challenge the point as well.