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Positive abt what? To be fair to u, some of the things u said are positive but most make a mockery out of Christians.Originally posted by laurence82:Then why cant you be positive too? You are not far from the mod of Youth Christians who only want certain thing to be said, certain things to be done.
Debates or the freedom to discuss, makes this forum different those like Youth Christians, like you, who only want certain things to be done to be said.
Gee
I have already spoken what i said abt this topic, now its your leading everyone in a dance that irks me.
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Now you become God.Originally posted by laoda99:I would say u and the ambiguous ones are trying to bamboozle everyone here. MCSQUARE is definitely not a believer in Christ. His sovereign god is definitely not Christ and he do not believe Christ as his redeemer.
Buay Tahan.....want to
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Make mockery out of christians? oh, in your words, can i say i dont have the intention to, sorry if it offend you, but u can choose to ignore? duhOriginally posted by laoda99:Positive abt what? To be fair to u, some of the things u said are positive but most make a mockery out of Christians.
Debates are okay, but if u want me to believe that there are other ways besides Christ, then I would say u stick to ur belief while I stick to mine.
Now you say debates are ok
Is this debate abt saying you cannot believe in christ? the issue is, do yo uthink you know christ better than everyone else?
You can pooh pooh mc and icemoon away, but the way i see it, they are the one who know what they believe in, rather than walking down a path so blindly -
I have to agree with Lau on this.Originally posted by laurence82:All i can see are christians who are in total self denial, think they know everything so other opinions are void.
So anything that doesnt fit into your agenda is called bashing eh?
Laoda. You're too sure of yourself. At times too over confident at what you are presenting which (seem to) make your answer the only vaild one in the forum.
There are times when a person should reflect. Balance it out.
Merely by saying men doesn't not have all answers, only God knows is a easy solution to hard questions.
Lau don't mind seeing that statement, but it's the haughty attitude you potrayed which irks him and me.
There have been consistent objectives on Lau's side, He questioned on Evangelism and Christian approach.
You think that he's bashing Christianity.
Be objective in your arguements, otherwise everything else will be bashing.
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I apologize if I give u the feeling that I am over confident. But I state my beliefs clearly: I only believe Christ as the one who has redeemed me. I will stick to my beliefs while I respect the beliefs u have.Originally posted by M©+square:I have to agree with Lau on this.
Laoda. You're too sure of yourself. At times too over confident at what you are presenting which (seem to) make your answer the only vaild one in the forum.
There are times when a person should reflect. Balance it out.
Merely by asking men doesn't not have all answers is a easy solution to hard questions.
Lau don't mind see that statement, but it's the haughty attitude you potrayed which irks him and me.
There have been consistent objectives on Lau's side, He questioned on Evangelism and Christian approach.
You think that he's bashing Christianity.
Be objective in your arguements, otherwise everything else will be bashing.
Regards
Men doesn't have all the answers. It is becoz God's wisdom is far above ours. As for Lau's questions on Evangelism and Christian approach, I would say I do not belong to the group which go tell him to go to hell. If he is offended by such Christians who ask him to go to hell, then I am really sorry he met such christians. -
I tell you what Lau thinks.Originally posted by laoda99:I apologize if I give u the feeling that I am over confident. But I state my beliefs clearly: I only believe Christ as the one who has redeemed me. I will stick to my beliefs while I respect the beliefs u have.
Men doesn't have all the answers. It is becoz God's wisdom is far above ours. As for Lau's questions on Evangelism and Christian approach, I would say I do not belong to the group which go tell him to go to hell.
He also believes that you believe only in Christ the redeemer!
Heresay, you can say that you respect my beliefs...but i'm more than sure that you're not going to actually think that way. I've heard too much of lip service.
I understand that you are not the grp of black sheep.
Which is why i challenge you to vouch for all christians that evangelise with a pure intent. Because you posted like as if you're very sure of what you're saying.
Obviously, we know that there are definitely a huge portion who have their struggles in Evangelism.
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I have never say debates are not ok.Originally posted by laurence82:Make mockery out of christians? oh, in your words, can i say i dont have the intention to, sorry if it offend you, but u can choose to ignore? duh
Now you say debates are ok
Is this debate abt saying you cannot believe in christ? the issue is, do yo uthink you know christ better than everyone else?
You can pooh pooh mc and icemoon away, but the way i see it, they are the one who know what they believe in, rather than walking down a path so blindly
It is impossible for me to say that I know Christ better than everyone else. U know it too. But I can say I know him better than you.
I would rather walk down a path so "blindly" as u said than to believe in anything goes. If I believe in anything goes, I would not call myself a Christian. Mebbe I should believe in I-Kuan-Tao or some other cults.
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U know I am unable to vouch for all Christians.Originally posted by M©+square:I tell you what Lau thinks.
He also believes that you believe only in Christ the redeemer!
Heresay, you can say that you respect my beliefs...but i'm more than sure that you're not going to actually think that way. I've heard too much of lip service.
I understand that you are not the grp of black sheep.
Which is why i challenge you to vouch for all christians that evangelise with a pure intent. Because you posted like as if you're very sure of what you're saying.
Obviously, we know that there are definitely a huge portion who have their struggles in Evangelism.
Happy new Year anyway.
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I think the clearer thing is this, in the bible, Jesus Himself says, no one comes to the father except through Him. Jesus is the ONE and ONLY answer.Originally posted by M©+square:Interestingly, Lau's questions are not difficult to answer.
You just need some patience and understanding to know what he's asking for.
I say to you once again,
There is no such thing as a ONE and Only Answer is Christian Living.
One God, unique People, many expression of Faith and worship.
Cheers
True ONE God, unique people, many expressions of Faith and worship, but only ONE SAVIOUR, ONE WAY to GOD, through JESUS CHRIST His son, by confessing, believing that JESUS died to save us from our sins and accepting God's grace of eternal salvation. -
Amen Amen!!Originally posted by breytonhartge:I think the clearer thing is this, in the bible, Jesus Himself says, no one comes to the father except through Him. Jesus is the ONE and ONLY answer.
True ONE God, unique people, many expressions of Faith and worship, but only ONE SAVIOUR, ONE WAY to GOD, through JESUS CHRIST His son, by confessing, believing that JESUS died to save us from our sins and accepting God's grace of eternal salvation. -
Fully agree. Jesus is LORD.Originally posted by breytonhartge:I think the clearer thing is this, in the bible, Jesus Himself says, no one comes to the father except through Him. Jesus is the ONE and ONLY answer.
True ONE God, unique people, many expressions of Faith and worship, but only ONE SAVIOUR, ONE WAY to GOD, through JESUS CHRIST His son, by confessing, believing that JESUS died to save us from our sins and accepting God's grace of eternal salvation. -
If it makes you more secure to emphasise on the One true God.Originally posted by breytonhartge:I think the clearer thing is this, in the bible, Jesus Himself says, no one comes to the father except through Him. Jesus is the ONE and ONLY answer.
True ONE God, unique people, many expressions of Faith and worship, but only ONE SAVIOUR, ONE WAY to GOD, through JESUS CHRIST His son, by confessing, believing that JESUS died to save us from our sins and accepting God's grace of eternal salvation.
If you think i'm a new age believe/faith then i'm disappointed in you.
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Where did it come across that I said or thought you were a new age believer? Please clarify?Originally posted by M©+square:If it makes you more secure to emphasise on the One true God.
If you think i'm a new age believe/faith then i'm disappointed in you.
Cheers
My empahsis here is on the only ONE way to God, Jesus. If I did not believe in this and the ONE true God, then, I would not be a Christian.
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aa??? I don't think it's brey that made the new-age believer remark lah....Originally posted by M©+square:If it makes you more secure to emphasise on the One true God.
If you think i'm a new age believe/faith then i'm disappointed in you.
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If.Originally posted by Chin Eng:aa??? I don't think it's brey that made the new-age believer remark lah....
Since laoda and Brey Ark kah liao. So maybe Brey also might agree mah. -
me and brey ark kah liao? u must be crazy!!!Originally posted by M©+square:If.
Since laoda and Brey Ark kah liao. So maybe Brey also might agree mah. -
how can say like that??? this time you salah already ---- say sorry hor!Originally posted by M©+square:If.
Since laoda and Brey Ark kah liao. So maybe Brey also might agree mah. -
Sorry to Brey and Laoda.Originally posted by Chin Eng:how can say like that??? this time you salah already ---- say sorry hor! 
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Fight fight fight!
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Back to original topic.Originally posted by fallin:How do you reconcile yourself with the fact that the people you love which don't believe are going to spend eternity in hell?
You can't unless you know it's the fact that God will reject them at the end of the day. Otherwise, you only can trust God for them to believe Him in time to come.
Not your time...in His time.
You are the best testimony they are looking at.
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MC..Originally posted by M©+square:Back to original topic.
You can't unless you know it's the fact that God will reject them at the end of the day. Otherwise, you only can trust God for them to believe Him in time to come.
Not your time...in His time.
You are the best testimony they are looking at.
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Personally, I think a non-Christian can be saved. Although:
1) He is ignorant of the Word of God (Not through his own fault)
2) Does not reject the Word when he knows that it is good.
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MCSQUARE's best post for this thread!Originally posted by M©+square:Back to original topic.
You can't unless you know it's the fact that God will reject them at the end of the day. Otherwise, you only can trust God for them to believe Him in time to come.
Not your time...in His time.
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In the end,the Bible is more or less silent bout this issue, your guess is as good as mine isn't it?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Personally, I think a non-Christian can be saved. Although:
1) He is ignorant of the Word of God (Not through his own fault)
2) Does not reject the Word when he knows that it is good.
Ive got to read up on this subject....