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Gee, when i read ur first line, the more i am scared of christiansOriginally posted by laoda99:I gladly accept anything that makes my faith stronger.
See....u do not discuss from the believer's pov
Anything and everything can be used to defend ur faith rite?
Come one, stop running in circles
The debates dont help, yet you choose to pursue knowledge in form of bible study and then gladly accept anything.
I do not discuss from believer's POV? Have considered what is your own POV and what is a believer POV?
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I never say I gladly accept anything did I? Dun misquote me.Originally posted by laurence82:Gee, when i read ur first line, the more i am scared of christians
Anything and everything can be used to defend ur faith rite?
Come one, stop running in circles
The debates dont help, yet you choose to pursue knowledge in form of bible study and then gladly accept anything.
I do not discuss from believer's POV? Have considered what is your own POV and what is a believer POV?
Duh
But some points which I am in doubt, I would say I just accept it that it cannot be answered for now.
My POV is that God is compassionate and just. This is a believer's POV too.
My most important POV is that Christ is my redeemer. This is a believer's POV too.
What is ur POV then?
You are right in saying debates won't help here. Nobody can really provide answers to ur hard questions if u do not have faith. -
I think you should learn to look through your post carefully before you post.Originally posted by laoda99:I never say I gladly accept anything did I? Dun misquote me.
But some points which I am in doubt, I would say I just accept it that it cannot be answered for now.
My POV in this thread is that God is compassionate and just. This is a believer's POV too.
My most important POV is that Christ is my redeemer. This is a believer's POV too.
What is ur POV then?
It's a bad habit to edit your post.
The more you edit your post, the less credible your words will bear. -
Really, i had the feeling i am being led around in a dance.Originally posted by laoda99:I am a baptised Christian.
Should we all start petitioning the mod to change this to a cut and paste forum?
U noe, just pasting articles, link urls and stuff?
Just tell me the christians dont have to back up what they say, then its really fine.
Just say, a christian can misquote an author, can choose not to view articles in view of the author, can write stuff and not consider its consequences to readers etc etc etc...
If the mods and all christians say aye to the above, then really, just change this forum to cut and paste forum.
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Hmmm...I believe u have been led by urself....I have always state that I am a Christian, unlike some others who prefer to be ambiguous.Originally posted by laurence82:Really, i had the feeling i am being led around in a dance.
Should we all start petitioning the mod to change this to a cut and paste forum?
U noe, just pasting articles, link urls and stuff?
Just tell me the christians dont have to back up what they say, then its really fine.
Just say, a christian can misquote an author, can choose not to view articles in view of the author, can write stuff and not consider its consequences to readers etc etc etc...
If the mods and all christians say aye to the above, then really, just change this forum to cut and paste forum.
As far as I know, Ironside been doing a good job by providing some useful insights here. This is the kind of posts which we should encourage.
What do u mean by "Just tell me the christians dont have to back up what they say, then its really fine"? Which Christian have done that in this thread? -
You know what, the moment you said this, i checked back the past posts, and i am really think we are being led in a dance.Originally posted by M©+square:I think you should learn to look through your post carefully before you post.
It's a bad habit to edit your post.
The more you edit your post, the less credible your words will bear. -
Interestingly, Lau's questions are not difficult to answer.Originally posted by laoda99:I never say I gladly accept anything did I? Dun misquote me.
But some points which I am in doubt, I would say I just accept it that it cannot be answered for now.
My POV is that God is compassionate and just. This is a believer's POV too.
My most important POV is that Christ is my redeemer. This is a believer's POV too.
What is ur POV then?
You are right in saying debates won't help here. Nobody can really provide answers to ur hard questions if u do not have faith.
You just need some patience and understanding to know what he's asking for.
I say to you once again,
There is no such thing as a ONE and Only Answer is Christian Living.
One God, unique People, many expression of Faith and worship.
Cheers -
Originally posted by laurence82:You know what, the moment you said this, i checked back the past posts, and i am really think we are being led in a dance.
Does it matter? -
Originally posted by laoda99:
You really should read up the other threads to know what is going on.
Hmmm...I believe u have been led by urself....I have always state that I am a Christian, unlike some others who prefer to be ambiguous.
As far as I know, Ironside been doing a good job by providing some useful insights here. This is the kind of posts which we should encourage.
What do u mean by [b]"Just tell me the christians dont have to back up what they say, then its really fine"? Which Christian have done that in this thread?
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Right now? You're like fighting on your own.
Cheers -
Yes you did, you said you gladly accept anything that makes your faith stronger.Originally posted by laoda99:I never say I gladly accept anything did I? Dun misquote me.
But some points which I am in doubt, I would say I just accept it that it cannot be answered for now.
My POV is that God is compassionate and just. This is a believer's POV too.
My most important POV is that Christ is my redeemer. This is a believer's POV too.
What is ur POV then?
You are right in saying debates won't help here. Nobody can really provide answers to ur hard questions if u do not have faith.
If that is your POV, again, let me ask again, why you go to bible study for?
I didnt say debates dont help. I am saying, it ludicrous you are saying debates dont help and at the same time go for bible study in pursuit of knowledge.
And that part about accepting anything to make your faith stronger. Gee, its the same thing people have with cults or charismatic churches? Anything can be agreed upon, even if people who has better knowledge know its a blasphemous thing to do? -
YeshOriginally posted by M©+square: Does it matter?
Is laoda also JTB? -
Originally posted by laoda99:
Why the self denial?
Hmmm...I believe u have been led by urself....I have always state that I am a Christian, unlike some others who prefer to be ambiguous.
As far as I know, Ironside been doing a good job by providing some useful insights here. This is the kind of posts which we should encourage.
What do u mean by [b]"Just tell me the christians dont have to back up what they say, then its really fine"? Which Christian have done that in this thread?
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Ironside is posting his own personal opinion isnt it? Can i change around and also say others also post their own opinions...no no, its not debates, its their opinions and insights. Ironside may have posted his own insights, how about others? Are we also leading to the point people just want to post here, feel wowed and then agree with one another? Thats it?
Why this thread alone? If you havent see what brey done, for the last case, then its pretty ok. If knowing or not knowing will not do anything to increase your faith, then its ok -
Then for u it is anything goes. U do not acknowledge that Christ is ur sole redeemer. No wonder u prefer to be ambiguous abt ur faith.Originally posted by M©+square:Interestingly, Lau's questions are not difficult to answer.
You just need some patience and understanding to know what he's asking for.
I say to you once again,
There is no such thing as a ONE and Only Answer is Christian Living.
One God, unique People, many expression of Faith and worship.
Cheers -
I suspect you also have poor comprehension of understand people's post.Originally posted by laoda99:Then for u it is anything goes. U do not acknowledge that Christ is ur sole redeemer. No wonder u prefer to be ambiguous abt ur faith.
I've stated clearly already.
You still twist my words. Wah lau...buay Tahan ah -
I did said I would gladly accept anything that makes my faith stronger, and that is not simply "anything". When I am in bible study, my focus is always on Christ and what he did for us on the cross. I cannot be too far off when my focus is on Christ.Originally posted by laurence82:Yes you did, you said you gladly accept anything that makes your faith stronger.
If that is your POV, again, let me ask again, why you go to bible study for?
I didnt say debates dont help. I am saying, it ludicrous you are saying debates dont help and at the same time go for bible study in pursuit of knowledge.
And that part about accepting anything to make your faith stronger. Gee, its the same thing people have with cults or charismatic churches? Anything can be agreed upon, even if people who has better knowledge know its a blasphemous thing to do?
If I were to be like some ambiguous pple who believed in one sovereign god but do not believe in Christ as the redeemer, I do not think I am a believer.
Face it. Ur so-called better knowledge is only use to attack Christians and cause confusion. It will not save u.
Having better knowledge is not blasphemous. But having better knowledge in the bible and yet reject Christ is futile. -
Originally posted by M©+square:I suspect you also have poor comprehension of understand people's post.
I've stated clearly already.
You still twist my words. Wah lau...buay Tahan ah
U sound like a new ager, similiar to the shady one who have the SAI BABA signature. U are definitely not a believer.Originally posted by M©+square:I say to you once again,
There is no such thing as a ONE and Only Answer is Christian Living.
One God, unique People, many expression of Faith and worship.
Cheers -
I won't be too quick to make this statement.....Originally posted by laoda99:U sound like a new ager, similiar to the shady one who have the SAI BABA signature. U are definitely not a believer.
On MC's comment - not far from the truth:
There is no such thing as a ONE and Only Answer is Christian Living.
One God, unique People, many expression of Faith and worship.
Within the context of the Christian Church:
One God - One Jehovah,
Unique People - Within one country many denominations, in many countries, intra-denomination practices varies.
Many expression of faith and worship - some like Hillsongs, some like hymns, some speak in tongues, others pray with the heads bowed. Some jump up and down, others stand straight....
There is really nothing wrong in this statement.
Laurence, Laoda, MC... let's call this off, and agree to disagree. Afterall New Year's not too far away. -
Anything goes.Originally posted by laoda99:U sound like a new ager, similiar to the shady one who have the SAI BABA signature. U are definitely not a believer. Whatever you believe i am, it will be. -
Yeah rite, who is the one trying to bamboozle everyone here?Originally posted by laoda99:I did said I would gladly accept anything that makes my faith stronger, and that is not simply "anything". When I am in bible study, my focus is always on Christ and what he did for us on the cross. I cannot be too far off when my focus is on Christ.
If I were to be like some ambiguous pple who believed in one sovereign god but do not believe in Christ as the redeemer, I do not think I am a believer.
Face it. Ur so-called better knowledge is only use to attack Christians and cause confusion. It will not save u.
One moment you say debate not important, pursuit of knowledge here not important, the other moment you use this knowldge to label people as new ager, not a true believer in christ etc etc
Do you realise all the while you are already in this debate in which you are loising coz you are not making things fit, and that which you abhor?
Face it. Your so called faith is only use to bash non christians and lead everyone into confusion.
Already we pointed out the major contradictions in your posts. Please stop being in denial. Is this so much to ask? -
Ironside is posting his personal opinions but they are always positive, becoz no matter what doubts he has at the end of the day he still believe that Christ as his redeemer. His stance is crystal clear and do not have ambiguity.Originally posted by laurence82:Why the self denial?
Ironside is posting his own personal opinion isnt it? Can i change around and also say others also post their own opinions...no no, its not debates, its their opinions and insights. Ironside may have posted his own insights, how about others? Are we also leading to the point people just want to post here, feel wowed and then agree with one another? Thats it?
Why this thread alone? If you havent see what brey done, for the last case, then its pretty ok. If knowing or not knowing will not do anything to increase your faith, then its ok
Yours is entirely different from him. U only see "Hell" from the bible and reject Christ flatly. U refuse to believe that u cannot be saved by knowledge.
Stick to this thread and do not deviate. If whatever brey has done and u feel offended, that is between u and him. -
ok last post.Originally posted by Chin Eng:I won't be too quick to make this statement.....
On MC's comment - not far from the truth:
There is no such thing as a ONE and Only Answer is Christian Living.
One God, unique People, many expression of Faith and worship.
Within the context of the Christian Church:
One God - One Jehovah,
Unique People - Within one country many denominations, in many countries, intra-denomination practices varies.
Many expression of faith and worship - some like Hillsongs, some like hymns, some speak in tongues, others pray with the heads bowed. Some jump up and down, others stand straight....
There is really nothing wrong in this statement.
Laurence, Laoda, MC... let's call this off, and agree to disagree. Afterall New Year's not too far away. -
No i wontOriginally posted by Chin Eng:I won't be too quick to make this statement.....
On MC's comment - not far from the truth:
There is no such thing as a ONE and Only Answer is Christian Living.
One God, unique People, many expression of Faith and worship.
Within the context of the Christian Church:
One God - One Jehovah,
Unique People - Within one country many denominations, in many countries, intra-denomination practices varies.
Many expression of faith and worship - some like Hillsongs, some like hymns, some speak in tongues, others pray with the heads bowed. Some jump up and down, others stand straight....
There is really nothing wrong in this statement.
Laurence, Laoda, MC... let's call this off, and agree to disagree. Afterall New Year's not too far away.
This guy is leading us round and round, and then justify himself using his contraditory posts
If he think by tiring us and then can safely conclude non christians are here to troll, and everyone else is too tired to oppose him, he better think again. -
I would say u and the ambiguous ones are trying to bamboozle everyone here. MCSQUARE is definitely not a believer in Christ. His sovereign god is definitely not Christ and he do not believe Christ as his redeemer.Originally posted by laurence82:Yeah rite, who is the one trying to bamboozle everyone here?
One moment you say debate not important, pursuit of knowledge here not important, the other moment you use this knowldge to label people as new ager, not a true believer in christ etc etc
Do you realise all the while you are already in this debate in which you are loising coz you are not making things fit, and that which you abhor?
Face it. Your so called faith is only use to bash non christians and lead everyone into confusion.
Already we pointed out the major contradictions in your posts. Please stop being in denial. Is this so much to ask?
I maintain that Christians did not bash Non-Christians in this thread. All I can see is non-christians who think they have better knowledge in the bible using these knowledge to attack Christians. Even Satan knows the scripture well, but for what purpose? -
Then why cant you be positive too? You are not far from the mod of Youth Christians who only want certain thing to be said, certain things to be done.Originally posted by laoda99:Ironside is posting his personal opinions but they are always positive, becoz no matter what doubts he has at the end of the day he still believe that Christ as his redeemer. His stance is crystal clear and do not have ambiguity.
Yours is entirely different from him. U only see "Hell" from the bible and reject Christ flatly. U refuse to believe that u cannot be saved by knowledge.
Stick to this thread and do not deviate. If whatever brey has done and u feel offended, that is between u and him.
Debates or the freedom to discuss, makes this forum different those like Youth Christians, like you, who only want certain things to be done to be said.
Gee
I have already spoken what i said abt this topic, now its your leading everyone in a dance that irks me. -
All i can see are christians who are in total self denial, think they know everything so other opinions are void.Originally posted by laoda99:I would say u and the ambiguous ones are trying to bamboozle everyone here. MCSQUARE is definitely not a believer in Christ. His sovereign god is definitely not Christ and he do not believe Christ as his redeemer.
I maintain that Christians did not bash Non-Christians in this thread. All I can see is non-christians who think they have better knowledge in the bible using them to attack Christians.
So anything that doesnt fit into your agenda is called bashing eh?