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Exactly. I don't know why he have to bring Missionaries into the topic.Originally posted by Icemoon:You are very sly. There're clearly two different points in your argument and you wanted us to believe there is only one.
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Looking at the above post, do you expect me to believe christians are not in denial? Now, this qn isnt asked out of sarcasm, but out of pure concern.Originally posted by laoda99:Good for u. I already stated that is your pasah. Your right to refuse. Nobody will force u to believe.
U can just walk away or slam the door if u want. I did it b4.
Or did u tried arguing with them?
Secondly, it still doesnt answer the question. You want to evangelise, but you want people to ignore if you may have done something that injure their own belief?
Its like saying, i can say things, it may offend you, but pls go away?
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For me, the greatest tool to convince a non-believer is his own faith, not knowledge. One can also find thousand and one loop holes in other faiths. Ask SIS.Originally posted by laurence82:Look, do you realise what you are saying? You are the one who have to evangelise, you have to provide the answers. You have to do something to lead the non believers to god isnt it? You cant be telling us to believe in god and jesus and leave everything else hanging, do you?
Actually, your last sentence...doesnt really make sense. Either he believe, or he dont.
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Firstly, I am sorry for u if the christians u come across injure ur belief.Originally posted by laurence82:Looking at the above post, do you expect me to believe christians are not in denial? Now, this qn isnt asked out of sarcasm, but out of pure concern.
Secondly, it still doesnt answer the question. You want to evangelise, but you want people to ignore if you may have done something that injure their own belief?
Its like saying, i can say things, it may offend you, but pls go away?
Be mindful evangelism does not only cover atheists alone.
Secondly, I maintain u have the right to refuse. If at home, just slam the door or refuse to open the door. Or u can run if u encounter them outside. I do not think they will run after u, take the bible and try to make u swallow it. -
New year is coming. Don't quarrel lar.
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I am thinking of one very person rite now when i read thisOriginally posted by Icemoon:Those who've written are not troublemakers to begin with. At least we don't take potshots and siam the scene.
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Who? Ito? Or the Wiccan believer?Originally posted by laurence82:I am thinking of one very person rite now when i read this
And he happened to be a christian actually, besides the list of non christians laoda may name out
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Christians are "missionaries". If u think of me as sly, perhaps u are even more?Originally posted by Icemoon:You are very sly. There're clearly two different points in your argument and you wanted us to believe there is only one.
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Dude, out of contextOriginally posted by laoda99:Firstly, I am sorry for u if the christians u come across injure ur belief.
Secondly, I maintain u have the right to refuse. Just slam the door or refuse to open the door. Or u can run. I do not think they will run after u, take the bible and try to make u swallow it.
You maintain that you have the right to evangelise. Besides the injuries, which you, well one of the many christians out there, have apologised for, why cant we respond?
Its very funny tho. You said something to us, we just ignore u? We cant correct you if we think its wrong? Is that how most of the non christians answers are poohed poohed as 'ridicule'? -
One Christian may have presented the Gospel to a unbeliever and leave him with a prayer.
One may present the Gospel and stay with the unbeliever to clear out any doubts he may have towards Christianity.
One may present the Gospel and when opposition comes, he'll leave and leave it all to God.
One may present the Gospel and choose to preach with love and grace.
One Gospel. Varied executions. Unexpecting returns
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I give u my answer already. I already said MOST. And I do not llike ur method of demanding answers. This is not the first time and I am not the only person u tried this. Sometimes I take offense at the way u demand ur answers. It look as if u are the only one who can demand answers. I would like to remind u that u like to siam questions as well.Originally posted by M©+square:If you're going to argue in terms of missionaries then we are talking about specialised duty/job/occupation. I cannot doubt their intentions because other than having been a Missionary as a job, it is a calling, ordained by God. They have their lives just to call people back to God and spreading the gospel.
They are Called by God to Evangelise. A full time ministry.
What i'm referring to is Christians in general. Those who have Christianity as a belief yet still have their job to feed their families.
These category of Christians will have to deal with work, family, friends, life, spouse, church ministries and evangelising.
You tell me now have you answered my question?
Are you willing to tell me that ALL Christians conduct Evangelism with pure intent?
Very simple question. Are you willing. Yes or no. That's all.
Are u willing to tell me whether or not u believe in Christ as the only one who can save u? It is not fair if u and someone else is ambiguous abt ur own faith.
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Fallacy of equivocation?? Fallacy of amphiboly?Originally posted by laoda99:Christians are "missionaries". If u think of me as sly, perhaps u are even more?
Dunno la .. I think you guilty of them all liao! Help help .. -
Originally posted by laoda99:
I think he learnt it from Davinder Singh during the NKF trial.
I give u my answer already. I already said [b]MOST. And I do not llike ur method of demanding answers. This is not the first time and I am not the only person u tried this.
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What is ur faith really? I have a feeling u enjoy watching the fire from the coast more than bridging the gap between non-believers and believers.Originally posted by Icemoon:Fallacy of equivocation?? Fallacy of amphiboly?
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Christians are 'Missionaries' with the bracket?????Originally posted by laoda99:Christians are "missionaries". If u think of me as sly, perhaps u are even more?
Can i also say Christians are 'Apostles' with bracket as well??
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Originally posted by laoda99:
Pardon me, but that sounds like leaving things halfway. I, for one, place emphasis on knowledge because stuff from religious scriptures may be taken out of context, even if the guy may have faith. We dont want to walk down the path of extreme error in blind faith.
For me, the greatest tool to convince a non-believer is [b]his own faith, not knowledge. One can also find thousand and one loop holes in other faiths. Ask SIS.
Yup. Either he believe or he dont. You dun have to accept what I say.
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Are u answering ur own question?Originally posted by M©+square:One Christian may have presented the Gospel to a unbeliever and leave him with a prayer.
One may present the Gospel and stay with the unbeliever to clear out any doubts he may have towards Christianity.
One may present the Gospel and when opposition comes, he'll leave and leave it all to God.
One may present the Gospel and choose to preach with love and grace.
One Gospel. Varied executions. Unexpecting returns
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Yup. And we do not want to just debate abt religion. We also want to grow in faith.Originally posted by laurence82:Pardon me, but that sounds like leaving things halfway. I, for one, place emphasis on knowledge because stuff from religious scriptures may be taken out of context, even if the guy may have faith. We dont want to walk down the path of extreme error in blind faith.
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No, Apostles are the anointed ones. And we know who they are from the bible.Originally posted by M©+square:Christians are 'Missionaries' with the bracket?????
Can i also say Christians are 'Apostles' with bracket as well??
Christians are pastors and priest?
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You've became so defensive that you didn't see the whole point.Originally posted by laoda99:Are u answering ur own question? -
Answer me YES or NOT. U answering ur own question?Originally posted by M©+square:You've became so defensive that you didn't see the whole point. -
Actually Christians are "priests" .. in the sense their body is a Temple and they have free access to God.Originally posted by laoda99:No, Apostles are the anointed ones. And we know who they are from the bible.
And Christians are not pastors and priests.
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Again, read my last line about walking in a path of extreme error in blind faith.Originally posted by laoda99:Yup. And we do not want to just debate abt religion. We also want to grow in faith.
Does it help ur faith in GOD after these debates? I dun think so. And I maintain not even the best theological professor can answer ur question.
Not even the best theological professor can answer the question doesnt mean you dont try.
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Originally posted by laoda99:
This is so cute.
I give u my answer already. I already said [b]MOST. And I do not llike ur method of demanding answers. This is not the first time and I am not the only person u tried this. Sometimes I take offense at the way u demand ur answers. It look as if u are the only one who can demand answers.
Are u willing to tell me whether or not u believe in Christ as the only one who can save u? It is not fair if u and someone else is ambiguous abt ur own faith.
Let me know what u believe in, then we have more to debate.[/b]
Ok.
Christ is the only way to salvation.
There you got it.
So you can actually vouch that most Christians conduct evangelism with a pure intent.
The turnover rate of backslideness is almost as high as salvation rate. So i suspect your vouch may not stand if Christians that have backsliden in their hearts would evangelise.
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You know why he has not grown in his faith after these debates? I can list some reasons:Originally posted by laoda99:Yup. And we do not want to just debate abt religion. We also want to grow in faith.
Does it help ur faith in GOD after these debates? I dun think so. And I maintain not even the best theological professor can answer ur question.
1. arrogance .. no humility
2. non-critical thinking (the einstein quote treats all of us as fools)
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