Whose God? My God the God of the Isrealites, the God of those who believe in Jesus. There is only one GOD. The rest are all idols from a Christian perspective.Originally posted by laurence82:True, and more than that.
The excessive information that one can find on the internet means I simply can go yahoo or google information I want to support my stance. Then there is issue of credibility. Everyone seems to quote any researcher favourable to their views, and we arent able to dig through the pile of information to assess its credibility. End up, the aforementioned forumer might seemingly put up a 'credible' front.
More importantly, the background of the person who made the quote has an impact to the meaning of the quote. Albert Einstein,, even if he is an atheist as some said, at the most is a Jew, or Jewish by faith. We wouldnt want to misconstrue his meaning to support a christian notion of a god, supported by the concept of a holy trinity.
Hence, my question then was, whose god? What is the definition of god here - a being, a concept, a personal thing, a term which actually means good, rather than a supernatural being etc etc etc..
Wait wait, since you said it came from Albert Einstein, how can he mean the god of israelites and god of believers of jesus at the same time?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Whose God? My God the God of the Isrealites, the God of those who believe in Jesus. There is only one GOD. The rest are all idols from a Christian perspective.
FYI, albert einstein was a JEW. So obviously also and isrealite, so therefore, GOD of the Jews and the Isrealites, the God in the Torah, the God of the old testament and the God of the New testament.Originally posted by laurence82:Wait wait, since you said it came from Albert Einstein, how can he mean the god of israelites and god of believers of jesus at the same time?
This is what I mean when i said the background of the guy who made the statement is equally important so as not to be misconstrued by people who twist fact to their own gain.
Tsk tsk
Again, God of the Isarelites AND the God of the believers in Jesus?Originally posted by breytonhartge:FYI, albert einstein was a JEW. So obviously also and isrealite, so therefore, GOD of the Jews and the Isrealites, the God in the Torah, the God of the old testament and the God of the New testament.
By the way, the Christians worship the GOD of Isreal. It is immaterial whether he believed in the Holy Trinity or not, it is the same GOD. What? you think Christians worship another GOD? Duh!Originally posted by laurence82:Again, God of the Isarelites AND the God of the believers in Jesus?
I dont think he support the notion of the holy trinity, jesus and the new testaments
Again, tsk tsk
You just dont understand the fallacy of your statements, do you?
Totally out of point.Originally posted by breytonhartge:By the way, the Christians worship the GOD of Isreal. It is immaterial whether he believed in the Holy Trinity or not, it is the same GOD. What? you think Christians worship another GOD? Duh!
What?! They actually had a sermon based on a Chick tract?!Originally posted by M©+square:I've heard a preacher from a church quoting a science discovery and then continued on preaching the reality of hell.
My goodness....Whatever happened to discernment of truths.
A church which SingaporeMacross is familiar to.
The Siberian Scientists who Drilled into Hell-Fiction!
Summary of eRumor:
Russian scientists conducting deep hole drilling experiments in Siberia break through the earth's crust at more than 14 kilometers. They find it unusually hot at that depth (2,000 degrees F). As a part of trying to listen to movement in the earth's crust, they drop a microphone into the drilled hole and are horrified when they realize they are hearing the voices of millions of people crying out in torment. Terrified, they decide to abandon the project, but not before a bat-like apparition arises from the hole and gives them a message.
The Truth:
This is the combination of an urban legend and a hoax. The original story of the deep hole drilling in Siberia made the rounds of tabloid newspapers in the early 1990's. Some researchers have theorized that the story somehow got started from an authentic deep hole drilling project, but that has never been proven. That original story included the account of breaking through the crust, hearing the voices from the hole, and shutting down the drilling operation. The plot thickened when a Norwegian school teacher named Age Rendalen decided to embellish the story with the description of the bat-like creature coming out of the hole. He did it purposely to see whether a religious television program would accept the story at face value without checking it out, and they did. TruthOrFiction.com has first-hand information from Mr. Rendalen.
Whats with Chick that warrant a jail term?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:What?! They actually had a sermon based on a Chick tract?!
Jail them now!!
Cannot jail one la...if not...many pastors jailed liao loh!Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:What?! They actually had a sermon based on a Chick tract?!
Jail them now!!
Then you have no clue about Jewish people do you? Even if they are scientists etc.. .they formative years are one of knowing the God of the Torah.Originally posted by laurence82:Totally out of point.
Thats not what I meant.
Anyone who dont do a double take might miscontrue Albert Einstein supporting Christianity, the concept of Holy Trinity and the News Testament. You said it, presence of evil means absence of God.
You think the Jews would actually support the notion of God laid out in the New Testaments? An easy trap for evangelists to gain more persuasive power in the name of Albert Einstein.
And we are still not in the clear what Albert himself mean by God. It may not be even a Jewish or Christian notion of God. We are still on assumptions here.
You think the Jews would actually support the notion of God laid out in the New Testaments? An easy trap for evangelists to gain more persuasive power in the name of Albert Einstein.Yes, messianic Jews actually support the notion of God laid out in the NT.
He is a purveyor of lies.Originally posted by laurence82:Whats with Chick that warrant a jail term?
Again, since its based on my statement, you are the one going out of point.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Yes, messianic Jews actually support the notion of God laid out in the NT.
I dont think we have to look that far to look at liars and hypocrites do we?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:He is a purveyor of lies.
Hi Laurence. Just sharing here some of my thoughts as i have thought about it some time back.Originally posted by laurence82:It still doesnt answer the question.
Who created evil or sins? Satan? And where he get the notion of sins and evil? He was created by god rite?
I say again .. the Jewish Einstein did not believe in a personal God.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Then you have no clue about Jewish people do you? Even if they are scientists etc.. .they formative years are one of knowing the God of the Torah.
You have it totally out of point. All I am saying is that the God that Albert Einstein would have known is the same God Christians know today.
Hmm, kly presents a very strong case in his points abt free will. Finally somebody answer the question. But i understand from MC that there are many perspectives as well.Originally posted by klydeer:Hi Laurence. Just sharing here some of my thoughts as i have thought about it some time back.
Wouldnt think that Sin is "created". Rather to me, it is a consequence or act of disobedience from what is commanded by God and what is God.
When the Lord created beings - He gives them free will. As we all know - Free Will is a double edge power. Keeping the options simple here - Either to submit or to deviate. So if one is to deviate from what the Lord has for the beings brings forth sin. Sinning brings forth death.
i do not know what occurred in satan's heart when he disobeyed God - but perhaps a simpler analogy would be that having meals to be kept alive is not sin - but gluttony is. We are not forced by the Lord to be or not to be a glutton - we chose to. Perhaps satan chose to / or desire to because even as an angel - he covet out of a freedom to do so?
Why does the Lord gives us free will then ? Perhaps If we do not have free will - most probably we also cannot enjoy the Good that the Lord has for us ? More for the children of Adam - we cannot know what Love is ? We would be like robots....isnt it ?
That Evil is the absence of Good only begs the question further. That Evil is chosen by the will of Men and (Angels) brings forth much light of God's Love for Beings of Which He Created. That is one of the major relevations that brings me to Christ as i was indeed a very bad person then. It is not so much of the blessings that God can bring - but of His grace that i can choose to Live and Live truly.
Hope all is well with you.
Can you show me conclusive proof?Originally posted by Icemoon:I say again .. the Jewish Einstein did not believe in a personal God.
Time to eat the humble pie dude.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Can you show me conclusive proof?
Brey, i'm not sure if Jesus was referring to Sinners who know what is right and good.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Good is a relative term, how do you define the definition of good? According to men or according to God?
Psalm 53:1-3
1The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.
2God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, that did seek God.
3Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.
Matthew 19:17 (King James Version) also Mark 10:18 & Luke 18:19
17And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
CE, of the whole passage only one verse talks about false prophets... read the passage carefully.
Still not conclusive, it is written by someone other than Einstein himself, was the author a personal friend of Enistein?Originally posted by Icemoon:Time to eat the humble pie dude.
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/einstein.html
Christian website wor.![]()
Please clarify...Originally posted by M©+square:Brey, i'm not sure if Jesus was referring to Sinners who know what is right and good.
But i'm sure Jesus gave credit to the sinners.
I don't know if you consider Ghandi did good and right for his nation.
But i know the verses which you have quoted are too high handed.
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Mark 6:31 - 34
Treat others the same way you want them to treat you.
If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them.
If you do good to those who do good to you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners do the same.
If you lend to those from whom you expect to receive, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners in order to receive back the same amount.
Einstein said the following two quotes:Originally posted by breytonhartge:Still not conclusive, it is written by someone other than Einstein himself, was the author a personal friend of Enistein?![]()
He himself has not prove his source as true yet.Originally posted by Icemoon:Einstein said the following two quotes:
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly"
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
These are famous quotes, not some ulu ulu statements pulled out from dubious sources.
Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Einstein#Religious_views