Original Sin (Of Angels and Man)
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No arhOriginally posted by M©+square:tsk tsk tsk....you are very notti.
Just curious
Because we know the Satan, in form of a snake, tempted Eve to commit a sin, hence the Original Sin. Therefore ,sin is traced to Satan.
From this aspect, where did Satan's evilness come from? His own pride, yes. So...where did that come from?
Meaning, did Satan create sin himself? There are a lot of thoughts in my mind but I shall wait till i got some answers. -
Now that i remember....where are the group of people who claimed that the present sin and deformation are from the sins of ancestors?
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you mean as in generational curses?Originally posted by M©+square:Now that i remember....where are the group of people who claimed that the present sin and deformation are from the sins of ancestors?
I want to hear from them. -
Those people in the older threads claimed it is 'generation sins.'Originally posted by breytonhartge:you mean as in generational curses?
Which implied that God has no part to play in any defects during birth. -
Hmmm if you read the bible it does talk about the sins of the father being visited to the third and fourth generation... God made everything perfect, we screwed up.. or are you implying from your statement that God has a part to play in defects during birth?Originally posted by M©+square:Those people in the older threads claimed it is 'generation sins.'
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I did ask this question on defected birth, and they claimed that it was generation sin passed down which cause the defected baby.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Hmmm if you read the bible it does talk about the sins of the father being visited to the third and fourth generation... God made everything perfect, we screwed up.. or are you implying from your statement that God has a part to play in defects during birth?
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Why nobody answer my qn?
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Many camps diversed on this topic. Not easily answered. That's why i posted - Mystery of Sovoreignty of God.Originally posted by laurence82:Why nobody answer my qn? -
Thank you MC. In the Bible, the consistency is that "Lucifer" refers to the King of Babylon and not Satan.Originally posted by M©+square:Hi Klydeer,
Isaiah 14:12 (KJV Strong's version)
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning * ! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Strong's Number: 01966
Original Word
llyh
Word Origin
from (01984) (in the sense of brightness)
Definition
Lucifer = "light-bearer"
shining one, morning star, Lucifer
of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.)
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I asked from which source (In fact only one is the Truth) did you get all those thoughts. You didnt seem to know.Originally posted by Icemoon:1. If Satan was not influenced by some external factors, how did He fall into sin? Isn't the same argument used on Eve? Eve was "tempted".
2. Not perfect like God. But perfect as in good.
3. Not sure and no comments.
Personally, i am quite surprised by some comments of yours that are baseless to the point of red herring.
There are MUCH knowledge which are purposefully kept within the Sovereignty of the Lord. i wonder if at times we are repeating the scene under the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Is it so hard to Live under the Tree of Life only? -
HUH ? u sure ?! - Unproven that Man will still sin without a tempter ?Originally posted by Icemoon:Then why did God blame the poor snake?
It remains unproven that Man will still sin without a tempter. I suppose Adam and Eve can remain naked for millions of years without feeling shameful, if not for that snake
How do you explain the Word of God:
Deuteronomy 30:11 - 14
Now what I am commanding you today is not too difficult for you or beyond your reach. It is not up in heaven, so that you have to ask, "Who will ascend into heaven to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" Nor is it beyond the sea, so that you have to ask, "Who will cross the sea to get it and proclaim it to us so we may obey it?" No, the word is very near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart so you may obey it.
God talking to who ? Ghost ar ?
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maybe the pride comes from god himself.
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You are kidding me right? and it is God with a capital.Originally posted by Ito_^:maybe the pride comes from god himself.
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Woooo.....Originally posted by breytonhartge:You are kidding me right? and it is God with a capital. -
eh... ho bo?Originally posted by M©+square:Woooo..... 
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Ho sey ah!Originally posted by breytonhartge:eh... ho bo? -
I believe that birth defects are the temporal effect resulting from original sin. Original Sin can be removed through Baptism, but the penalty must still be meted out. Earthly death can also be considered a temporal effect of original sin. But with for those who persevere in Christ, earthly death is merely a prelude to heavenly life.
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I think God created everything including angels to have their own mind to do things.Originally posted by laurence82:No arh
Just curious
Because we know the Satan, in form of a snake, tempted Eve to commit a sin, hence the Original Sin. Therefore ,sin is traced to Satan.
From this aspect, where did Satan's evilness come from? His own pride, yes. So...where did that come from?
Meaning, did Satan create sin himself? There are a lot of thoughts in my mind but I shall wait till i got some answers. -
Not everything in this world can be answered. I have already accepted this. All I know that God will have mercy on the baby.Originally posted by M©+square:I did ask this question on defected birth, and they claimed that it was generation sin passed down which cause the defected baby.
Not a satisfactory reply. Not even an answer. -
good for you.Originally posted by laoda99:Not everything in this world can be answered. I have already accepted this. All I know that God will have mercy on the baby. -
It still doesnt answer the question.Originally posted by laoda99:I think God created everything including angels to have their own mind to do things.
Who created evil or sins? Satan? And where he get the notion of sins and evil? He was created by god rite? -
good for the baby, not good for me....Originally posted by M©+square:good for you. -
Yes he was created by god. May I know what you are implying?Originally posted by laurence82:It still doesnt answer the question.
Who created evil or sins? Satan? And where he get the notion of sins and evil? He was created by god rite? -
I dont have the knowledge, so how can i be implying anything?Originally posted by laoda99:Yes he was created by god. May I know what you are implying?
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Albert Einstein once said this:Originally posted by laurence82:It still doesnt answer the question.
Who created evil or sins? Satan? And where he get the notion of sins and evil? He was created by god rite?
"Evil does not exist, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, which are words used to describe the absence of light or heat. Evil is a word that is created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, orthe darkness that comes when there is no light."