Bible Trivia
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Icy, the term "the Lost tribes" of israel is a popular term. When they say that, they refer to those tribes who were lost during their exile in Assyria.Originally posted by Icemoon:come on .. i waiting for your explanation of James 1:1.
Of course after some time, becuse there were few who were left behind israel during the exile. they traced their genealogy and that's what u got in the NT.
it doesn't say that they were really lost all generations. for all time. -
the point is moot right?Originally posted by Ironside:they were indeed lost. those 10 tribes who were exiled to Assyria.
technically the those who reside in the land were called Israel, because they were inhabitants of Israel actually. the 10 and the 2 are called Israel.
after all I believe not all the Israelites return from Babylon later .. I believe some members from Tribe of Judah comingled with the pagans and lost their identity. -
the 10 tribes or the northern tribe was taken captive by the Assyrian empire. they were exiled there. From there they got scatttered and that's where they got lost.
you never tell the whole story.
The souther tribe Judah and Benjamin was taken captive to Babylon some 7o years later.
When the returned 70 years later, they returned to their land, and these became the inhabitants of Judah- they were called Jews during the Lord's time.
a noob reading the first time will think - all the 10 tribes were LOST. -
Actually, when Israel's Historians say: "the Lost tribes of israel" they refer to that time in history.
For example, let's consider the American scene. There were many indian tribes [this is fiction by the way] in america. Then there was a huge battle that the tribes became separated and to them [indians] it became an indelible part of their history, they could never forget that part of history were their race was separated. for a long time their tribe got separated: they wonder: "where could our brothers be now?"
And some historian came to write about their history and hearing the story of the separated tribe, he termed it "the lost tribes of the indians." -
Babylon is an equally attractive place for some of them to get "lost".Originally posted by Ironside:Icy, the term "the Lost tribes" of israel is a popular term. When they say that, they refer to those tribes who were lost during their exile in Assyria.
so if we want to be historically accurate .. as long as you never go back to Jerusalem, you are "lost". -
I don't know, personal opinion is that they are originally born under the house of Egypt and not the house of Israel, so Jacob may have thought that by adopting them, he can bring them in under the house of Israel?Originally posted by Icemoon:
God's promise is to the patriarchical lineage. Not all the wives are of Abraham's blood anyway. So it doesn't matter Joseph's wife is Egyptian.
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err. the goal post was shifted way before this... this is a thread for Bible Trivia, can start a new thread on lost tribe instead?Originally posted by Icemoon:this is shifting the goalpost.
we were discussing about lost tribes, not when the exile happened.
I've demonstrated the mini exodus of the 10 northern tribes into Judah. What say you? -
How can you call your uncles your brothers?Originally posted by vince69:I don't know, personal opinion is that they are originally born under the house of Egypt and not the house of Israel, so Jacob may have thought that by adopting them, he can bring them in under the house of Israel? 
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dun need .. it is settled .. 'cos Ironside was unclear. He gave the impression the 10 tribes were lost.Originally posted by vince69:err. the goal post was shifted way before this... this is a thread for Bible Trivia, can start a new thread on lost tribe instead? -
Originally posted by Icemoon:How can you call your uncles your brothers?
so Abram is Lot's uncles
Genesis 11:31
Terah took his son Abram, his grandson Lot son of Haran, and his daughter-in-law Sarai, the wife of his son Abram, and together they set out from Ur of the Chaldeans to go to Canaan. But when they came to Haran, they settled there.Genesis 13:8
here Abram call Lot (his nephew) brothers....
So Abram said to Lot, "Let's not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers. -
In ancient Middle East, inheritance rights are usually passed from father to son but they can also be passed from father to grandson, or from father to son-in-law. As a side issue, one example of the latter was when Jacob and Rachal fled from Laban, Rachal stole the household gods, which caused Laban to chase after them all through the night. Archaeological evidence suggests that these household gods (tÂ’rafim) are used as the token of inheritance which can be passed from father to son usually but also to the son-in-law in the event that there are no surviving sons.Originally posted by Ironside:i don't understand.......Manasseh and Ephraim were biological sons of Joseph
The blessing on the death bed is like making a will in modern times and it is binding. So Isaac mistakenly left his inheritance to Jacob instead of Esau when he blessed Jacob thinking he was the hairy Esau. Jacob on his deathbed decided to bless Ephraim and Manasseh, giving them an equal share in his estate as their uncles. So Joseph is over-represented, having two tribes to his name. The tribes of Joseph therefore refer to the tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh.
So, in one sense, if you count Ephraim and Manasseh as separate tribes, you get 13 in all, not twelve. However, if you consider the tribes that inherit land, there are only 12, because the tribe of Levi do not own any land. Their inheritance is the Temple of God. -
As for the lost tribes, there are constantly groups of people who claim to be descendants of the 10 lost tribes. It is difficult to verify if the claims are true. The Assyrians did not keep the 10 northern tribes together but scattered them all over the empire, with the intention of destroying their cultural heritage. In contrast, The babylonians (present day Iraqis) treated the captives from the kingdom of Judah much better...some of them like Daniel got a first-rate education and were allowed to practise their religion to some extent. When the persian king Cyrus allowed them to return, they re-constituted the nation of Israel.
Did any members of the 10 tribes taken away to Assyria manage to return? I dunno...there were suggestions that some of them did. For example, the Samaritans claim to have descended from Ephraim and Manasseh and they stayed around Samaria, which used to be the capital of the northern kingdom of Israel. They have some practice in common with the Jews but differ in other respects. As you know from the gospels, the Jews hated them although they claim to worship the same God and read from the same Torah.
I had a discussion with a Jewish friend who is reading history in Oxford University. He is vehement in his belief that the 10 tribes are truly lost and that present day Jews have all descended from the kingdom of Judah. In fact, there are some who are insistent that the term Jews refer only to Judahites, although it has a wider connotation in lay usage.