Do Christians believe in the existance of ghost?
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Do Christians believe in the existance of ghost? Or they only believe there's demons/evil spirits?
I went to this multi-million building located at the west side of Singapore. Seems like they don't believe in the existance of ghost or ppl have 'the third eye' to see things from the other world and the symbol of a dragon is evil.
Can someone tell me the truth?
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I don't claim to know the truth.Originally posted by klishcia:Do Christians believe in the existance of ghost? Or they only believe there's demons/evil spirits?
I went to this multi-million building located at the west side of Singapore. Seems like they don't believe in the existance of ghost or ppl have 'the third eye' to see things from the other world and the symbol of a dragon is evil.
Can someone tell me the truth?
But then the Bible records the famous incident of the ghost of Samuel coming back to see Saul and this apparition was not evil.
The dragon is evil? Dunno about that. However in chinese tradition, the dragon is the elevated version of the snake (the emperor wore dragon robe, officials wore mang3 pao2 (the mang3 I think is the same as mang3 she2, a python?), so if the snake is evil in the Christian tradition, what's more for the dragon? LOL -
Yes and no... the trick is the definition of "ghost".Originally posted by klishcia:Do Christians believe in the existance of ghost? Or they only believe there's demons/evil spirits?
I went to this multi-million building located at the west side of Singapore. Seems like they don't believe in the existance of ghost or ppl have 'the third eye' to see things from the other world and the symbol of a dragon is evil.
Can someone tell me the truth?
No, Christians do not believe in ghost from the standpoint of whether they (the ghosts) were dead ancestors. When a person dies, he either goes to hell or heaven, and it's a one way ticket.
Yes, Christians do believe in ghost from the standpoint that there is the supernatural realm, which we believe is being controlled by Satan. It is through this realm that evil spirits (some called them fallen angels) are released to wreck havoc on earth.
I am not sure which building you are referring to. A mega-church? Dragon is evil? I'd be happy to spend your $50 for you.
Seriously, there are various version how a Christian should view such icons. One way is use the western perception as a yard stick - ie dragon is evil.
The other way is to understand that Chinese being Chinese, Christianity should have a leeway for cultural uniqueness, hence, Chinese originated icons like dragons, ang pows, moon cakes have a place within the Christian context, as long as the supernatural implication is not observed or removed. -
I thot leftist not supposed to believe in ghosts? Why are u speaking for Christians here?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Yes and no... the trick is the definition of "ghost".
No, Christians do not believe in ghost from the standpoint of whether they (the ghosts) were dead ancestors. When a person dies, he either goes to hell or heaven, and it's a one way ticket.
Yes, Christians do believe in ghost from the standpoint that there is the supernatural realm, which we believe is being controlled by Satan. It is through this realm that evil spirits (some called them fallen angels) are released to wreck havoc on earth.
I am not sure which building you are referring to. A mega-church? Dragon is evil? I'd be happy to spend your $50 for you.
Seriously, there are various version how a Christian should view such icons. One way is use the western perception as a yard stick - ie dragon is evil.
The other way is to understand that Chinese being Chinese, Christianity should have a leeway for cultural uniqueness, hence, Chinese originated icons like dragons, ang pows, moon cakes have a place within the Christian context, as long as the supernatural implication is not observed or removed. -
Are you mistaking me for someone else? And why are you calling me a leftist?Originally posted by John The Baptist:I thot leftist not supposed to believe in ghosts? Why are u speaking for Christians here?
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ghosts of departed - No
Ghost as in Spirit - Yes. The Holy Spirit is also known in ancient english as Holy Ghost.
Watever tt seemed to disturbed ppl r not ghosts, these r evil spirits that disguise like your departed relatives etc... -
I agree with Chin Eng.
On another note, I think sometimes we attribute too much power to something that does not deserve it. The dragon is by enlarge a mythical creature. There is nothing fearful about it other than its legend. We give it so much power than inevitably these self-created powers becomes crippling.
Always remember we have an Almighty God
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Leftists refer to a group of people with one type of political views...
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I believe in the existance of ghost... I got this experiences... Few years ago before my grandma passed away... I saw the most horrifying scene in my life.. Before she died, she keep on talking by herself... At first she just calling "Ah ma.. ah pa.."... then she started to scream, trembling and her eyes opened wide... Then there was one catholic pastor (a friend of my brother) came, prayed for her and after that only I can see my grandma calmed down... The pastor told me that he has prayed for her and avoid her from ghosts' hands. The next day, I saw her passed away peacefully...her face is just calming.. not like one of my uncle who died long time ago, can see his face like very very scared of something... Thats reallllyyyy scary. Since then all my family members believe about ghost and God..
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yes i believe that they exist...
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Father, son and holy ghost.
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Is there anywhere in the bible that says when a person dies, his spirit will roam around the earth for seven days? Someone ever mentioned that to me once.
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nv hear b4Originally posted by Honeybunz:Is there anywhere in the bible that says when a person dies, his spirit will roam around the earth for seven days? Someone ever mentioned that to me once. -
I'm kinda disappointed. None of you here mentions the ghost of Samuel in the OT. Haiz ..
It is a topic worth exploring. -
heard of holy ghosts?
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You didn't mention about Moses and Elijah and Jesus having a meeting.Originally posted by Icemoon:I'm kinda disappointed. None of you here mentions the ghost of Samuel in the OT. Haiz ..
It is a topic worth exploring.
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I thought about this one, but decided that it is not something worth going into this moment.Originally posted by Icemoon:I'm kinda disappointed. None of you here mentions the ghost of Samuel in the OT. Haiz ..
It is a topic worth exploring.
It was the one off event that God allowed to rebuke Saul. Not repeated. -
Shut up dictator! You are leftist yourself.Originally posted by laurence82:Leftists refer to a group of people with one type of political views...
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They are NOT GHOSTS!Originally posted by M©+square:You didn't mention about Moses and Elijah and Jesus having a meeting.
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Hello sillyme,Originally posted by sillyme:I agree with Chin Eng.
On another note, I think sometimes we attribute too much power to something that does not deserve it. The dragon is by enlarge a mythical creature. There is nothing fearful about it other than its legend. We give it so much power than inevitably these self-created powers becomes crippling.
Always remember we have an Almighty God
I dont quite agree with you. In Jude, it is written: from v.8: "Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, & speak evil of dignitaries. YET WHEN MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, IN CONTENDING WITH THE DEVIL, WHEN HE DISPUTED ABOUT THE BODY OF MOSES, DARED NOT BRING AGAINST HIM A REVILING ACCUSATION, BUT SAID, "THE LORD REBUKE YOU!" But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves." etc etc. Even Michael an ARCHANGEL, I REPEAT, AN ARCHANGEL(VERY POWERFUL ANGEL) ALSO SCARED OF POWER OF SATAN WHAT MORE US MERE MORTALS WHO ARE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS?
Pls read whole book of Jude. Very short chapter. U will have a very clear understanding of what the end time church is like. -
[/b]Originally posted by John The Baptist:Hello sillyme,
I dont quite agree with you. In Jude, it is written: from v.8: "Likewise also these dreamers defile the flesh, reject authority, & speak evil of dignitaries. YET WHEN MICHAEL THE ARCHANGEL, IN CONTENDING WITH THE DEVIL, WHEN HE DISPUTED ABOUT THE BODY OF MOSES, DARED NOT BRING AGAINST HIM A REVILING ACCUSATION, BUT SAID, "THE LORD REBUKE YOU!" But these speak evil of whatever they do not know; and whatever they know naturally, like brute beasts, in these things they corrupt themselves." etc etc. [b]Even Michael an ARCHANGEL, I REPEAT, AN ARCHANGEL(VERY POWERFUL ANGEL) ALSO SCARED OF POWER OF SATAN WHAT MORE US MERE MORTALS WHO ARE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS?
Pls read whole book of Jude. Very short chapter. U will have a very clear understanding of what the end time church is like.
Firstly, contextually it is wrong for you to say that.
Michael is not 'scared' of the powers of satan.
Secondly, there is a need to bring forth the issue of 'The body of Moses' on what and why they are in a dispute.
Thirdly, this verse or contextually. I doesn't prove that Archangels and 'Mere Mortals' are less powerful and afraid of satan's power.
In fact, your theology is warpped.
I suggest you read on Jude again to have a much clearer understanding.
Commentary on Verse 9:
Though this contest was mightily eager and earnest, and Michael was victorious in the issue, yet he would not bring a railing accusation against the devil himself; he knew a good cause needed no such weapons to be employed in its defence.
It is said, he durst not bring, etc. Why durst he not?
Not that he was afraid of the devil, but he believed God would be offended if, in such a dispute, he went that way to work; he thought it below him to engage in a trial of skill with the great enemy of God and man which of them should out-scold or out-rail the other: a memorandum to all disputants, never to bring railing accusations into their disputes.
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Wah MC blazing today
Today my Health Point very low lah.... way to go, bro. -
Unker!Originally posted by Chin Eng:Wah MC blazing today
Today my Health Point very low lah.... way to go, bro.
Today's record 4am - 9am. Orh Bak Kak liao.
Low health point ah. Don't worry about that, we'll just relax in the weekly EH thread.
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There must be a health pack somewhere in this thread.
I think we both need it. -
I agree with JTB this time. They were not ghosts since the bible never presented them as ghosts.Originally posted by M©+square:You didn't mention about Moses and Elijah and Jesus having a meeting.
Kinda disappointed as well...