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so what did he say about Enoch?
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He was translated & didnt see death. For he was not.Originally posted by Icemoon:so what did he say about Enoch? -
I am not aware that you are into the apocryphal books, not to mention that the translated Enoch and his city is part of Church of Latter Saints theology, which I am sure you know, is another name for Mormons, a recognised cult.Originally posted by John The Baptist:He was translated & didnt see death. For he was not. -
Some Christian theologians disagree with you. It is clear that all men are sinners and the penalty for sin is death.Originally posted by John The Baptist:He was translated & didnt see death. For he was not.
How come Enoch so special? -
Sorry can you pls read Genesis?Originally posted by Chin Eng:I am not aware that you are into the apocryphal books, not to mention that the translated Enoch and his city is part of Church of Latter Saints theology, which I am sure you know, is another name for Mormons, a recognised cult. -
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so what did the pastor say about enoch?
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My thoughts exactly...Originally posted by Icemoon:so what did the pastor say about enoch?
This is a lame thread by the time the first post started.
Reason? To be relevant, all must listen to the sermon, but obviously no one is able to listen to the sermon. The thread starter is unable to either, explain WHY we need to listen to the sermon, or give a summary of the sermon, there is really no point, as usual.
I'd say mods, please close it. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:- deleted - never mind.
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Talking abt Mormons, i was approached twice i think, but they are nice people anyhow.
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According to genesis, he walked very closely to God. Maybe first instance of grace given bcos of his faithfulness.Originally posted by Icemoon:Some Christian theologians disagree with you. It is clear that all men are sinners and the penalty for sin is death.
How come Enoch so special? -
my partial jewish outlook allows this belief .. but Christians cannot believe this since all men must suffer physical death .. even Moses.Originally posted by John The Baptist:According to genesis, he walked very closely to God. Maybe first instance of grace given bcos of his faithfulness. -
Hmm? Why such a assumption?Originally posted by Icemoon:my partial jewish outlook allows this belief .. but Christians cannot believe this since all men must suffer physical death .. even Moses. -
Even Mother Mary was not accorded any priviledge, according to Protestant beliefs. Why would Enoch be special?Originally posted by M©+square:Hmm? Why such a assumption?
Pls lor .. Enoch also descendant of Adam .. and it is written, "through Adam, all men have sinned". -
Mary?Originally posted by Icemoon:Even Mother Mary was not accorded any priviledge, according to Protestant beliefs. Why would Enoch be special?
Pls lor .. Enoch also descendant of Adam .. and it is written, "through Adam, all men have sinned".
Anyway, i'm interested to hear your views on the two verses below.
1 - Genesis 5:24
Ampilifed Version
Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked [in habitual fellowship] with God; and he was not, for God took him [home with Him]. [Heb. 11:5.]
2 - Hebrew 11:5
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Hebrews 11:5 Because of faith Enoch was caught up and transferred to heaven, so that he did not have a glimpse of death; and he was not found, because God had translated him. For even before he was taken to heaven, he received testimony [still on record] that he had pleased and been satisfactory to God. [Gen. 5:21-24.] -
My Jewish outlook allows me to believe he escaped death.Originally posted by M©+square:Mary?
Anyway, i'm interested to hear your views on the two verses below.
Elijah? also. -
Ok no dispute.Originally posted by Icemoon:My Jewish outlook allows me to believe he escaped death.
Elijah? also.
So why the assumption? Under what claims?Originally posted by Icemoon:Even Mother Mary was not accorded any priviledge, according to Protestant beliefs. Why would Enoch be special?
Pls lor .. Enoch also descendant of Adam .. and it is written, "through Adam, all men have sinned". -
Under the claims all men have sinned since Adam and all must go through physical death.Originally posted by M©+square:So why the assumption? Under what claims? -
All have sinned & fallen short of the glory of God? The penalty of sin is death?Originally posted by Icemoon:Under the claims all men have sinned since Adam and all must go through physical death. -
Yes, all must die bcos of Adam's sin, but Christ Jesus came to give us life & life more abundantly even eternal life. Paul said death is swallowed up in victory-O death where is thy sting? God is going to finally put death under His footstool & throw him into hell!Originally posted by Icemoon:my partial jewish outlook allows this belief .. but Christians cannot believe this since all men must suffer physical death .. even Moses. -
Jesus Christ was Jew, so could He being the King of kings & the Lord of lords even over the gates of hell & hades by snatching the keys away also be resurrected & alive & well in heaven?Originally posted by Icemoon:My Jewish outlook allows me to believe he escaped death.
Elijah? also. -
What is puzzling me is thisOriginally posted by Icemoon:Under the claims all men have sinned since Adam and all must go through physical death.
- do you believe in your 'Jewish outlook' or do you believe in the protestant faith?
If you've choose to see it in your Jewish perspective, then i believe the protestant outlook which you learned is still not accurate. I still think you're quoting by assumption.
Unless there is this group of protestants proving me wrong.
Otherwise it's either you're wrong or i'm right. Vice versa.
note: John Calvin commented that Enoch did not see death.
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