Dinosaur soft tissue find
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erm ok, i got lost reading the first para alreadyOriginally posted by ben1xy:thks! hahaa.. real bad at these things
anyway... had a go at it yet laurence?
roughly can see they dug up some bones and do some tests, but whats the results and conclusion?
i cant read...
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there is a big difference between "Heme compounds in dinosaur trabecular bone" and "Still soft and stretchy Dinosaur soft tissue"Originally posted by ben1xy:http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/94/12/6291
Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA
Vol. 94, pp. 6291-6296, June 1997
Evolution
Heme compounds in dinosaur trabecular bone
Mary H. Schweitzer*, Mark Marshalldagger , Keith CarronDagger , D. Scott BohleDagger , Scott C. Busse§, Ernst V. ArnoldDagger , Darlene Barnarddagger , J. R. Horner*, and Jean R. Starkey¶
i think this is the proper article.. its from an academic source
not much of a science person... i gave up reading after the 1st paragraph.
anybody wants to have a go at it and summarise?
lol
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ehh.. maybe wrong article then lolOriginally posted by crazy monkey:there is a big difference between "Heme compounds in dinosaur trabecular bone" and "Still soft and stretchy Dinosaur soft tissue"
shall go look for it in uni database tomorrow... i think shld have -
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/307/5717/1952
Science, Vol 307, Issue 5717, 25 March 2005
Soft-Tissue Vessels and Cellular Preservation in Tyrannosaurus rex
Mary H. Schweitzer,1,2,3* Jennifer L. Wittmeyer,1 John R. Horner,3 Jan K. Toporski4{dagger}
Soft tissues are preserved within hindlimb elements of Tyrannosaurus rex (Museum of the Rockies specimen 1125). Removal of the mineral phase reveals transparent, flexible, hollow blood vessels containing small round microstructures that can be expressed from the vessels into solution. Some regions of the demineralized bone matrix are highly fibrous, and the matrix possesses elasticity and resilience. Three populations of microstructures have cell-like morphology. Thus, some dinosaurian soft tissues may retain some of their original flexibility, elasticity, and resilience.
this one ah?
also from journal article -
i am soooo thankful my discipline is not in science
hahaa
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No purpose in this article. - the thread as a whole.Originally posted by ben1xy:i am soooo thankful my discipline is not in science
hahaa
hmm.. anybody wants to have a go at this article?
So what if the soft tissue is found.
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i believe this means soft tissue is capable of surviving millions of years under the right conditions. Mummified remains have survived with soft tissue intact. So have living fossils trapped in rocks etc. I see no reason why soft dinosaur tissue cannot have survived 70 million years. In any case, from what we know about radiation, half-life and carbon decay, I would say that majority of the evidence points to the known universe as it is, is old.Originally posted by happyharvest:I just present the latest findings here. If you are interested, keep watching lo. They are still researching. The msnbc reported it while some people jump to conclusion that this may be proof of a young earth.
Anyway, what is your stand/belief of this planet?
Ya, perhaps this is a speculation. Whatever it is, it is a good scientific read. Did I post at the wrong forum?
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ahhOriginally posted by M©+square:No purpose in this article. - the thread as a whole.
So what if the soft tissue is found.
cheers
nah.. juz an interesting read
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Newton wrote a lot abt theology & i heard he was a believer in God. Einstein (ah my idol last time) was a German Jew & escaped to America tog with the other Jews to avoid Hitler's madness. He later became a believer in the Christian God.Originally posted by laurence82:yeap
See, unlike a religion, one thing i like about science is that you can debunk the old theory if its found not fitting, or to provide qualificatons for certain things to happen
just like what Copernicus and Galileo do to 'flat earth theory' or 'the sun orbit around the earth' theory, or what Einstein do to Newton, scientists, for those who arent egoistic, the spirit of science to move on with time
Its not things doesnt change in a religion, but sometimes things get so dogmatic, or held onto tightly, the only changes cannot come from changing the original doctrines, but by resisting it, or leaving
like what protestants had done, or what charismatic churches doing to mainstream churches..
Science works very well with God as premise. It's only when certain dogmatic men in church try to impose what they thot was the right God or right view that's the prob. I feel the spirit of science has gone haywire bcos the ppl have also become "dogmatic" in a sense to their scientific pursuit until it becomes almost like a religion. So all they do now is to disprove God. That itself becomes like an obssesive religion to them & it's very dangerous.
Even my great Einstein actually disagreed with quantum physicists that came after him! Pls check his theories & his discourse with quantum physics-the next hurdle for 20th century science. Now we have even progressed further beyond quantum to choas theory etc. I am not updated bcos not a physicist by training, so maybe any lecturer or student can update this?
BUT ALAS! WHAT HAS MY IDOL BROUGHT TO MY WORLD?! THE ATOMIC BOMB! God bless us all! -
Einstein became a believer in the Christian God? That's rubbish. Where you read it from?Originally posted by John The Baptist:Newton wrote a lot abt theology & i heard he was a believer in God. Einstein (ah my idol last time) was a German Jew & escaped to America tog with the other Jews to avoid Hitler's madness. He later became a believer in the Christian God. -
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
[Albert Einstein, 1954, from "Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press] -
hey.. u got the link for the article? i wanna have a readOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
[Albert Einstein, 1954, from "Albert Einstein: The Human Side", edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press] -
sidetrack. Any Christian Jews?Originally posted by Icemoon:Einstein became a believer in the Christian God? That's rubbish. Where you read it from?
btw, can we clone dino meat? yummy! -
The reference suggest a book...Originally posted by ben1xy:hey.. u got the link for the article? i wanna have a read -
You mean messianic Jews? As in Jews who professed Christianity?Originally posted by HENG@:sidetrack. Any Christian Jews?
btw, can we clone dino meat? yummy!
Moderator Brey's wife is one. -
well if u look at being Jew as a race, then its just jews who are christians.Originally posted by Icemoon:You mean messianic Jews? As in Jews who professed Christianity?
Moderator Brey's wife is one.