Where does Christians go after death?
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yup.Originally posted by Ito_^:i google abit, alot of christian sites says there r 3 for heaven.
Try asking Ulf Ekman and John Bevere and Charles Nieman and A.R Barnard.
I quite sure all of them have their version to tell.
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But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. Therefore encourage one another with these words. (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 )
From 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, I see that Christians are just "fallen asleep" after death and Paul told us that God will bring with Him those who have "fallen asleep". Here we are told that the dead (christians) are like sleeping (unconscious) and they are away from their bodies. It means that the soul of the "fallen asleep" are with the Lord. We know little about the state after death but we are assured that the "fallen asleep" are at rest with the Lord waiting for the resurrection of the bodies.
Notice that God will bring with him those who have "fallen asleep". This is where "called home to be with the Lord" comes in. We're told that believers who have "fallen asleep" are with the Lord and they are at home.
The scripture tells us (Paul was told by Jesus) that Jesus will return for His Church and when He return for His Church (or the bride), He will raise the dead first (because they are with the Lord), then He will rapture the Church, bringing along those who have first being raisen.
Commonly, people thought that heaven is up above the earth. But I think this is not correct. Where God is, heaven is. So where God is, the "fallen asleep" is. They are with God forever. And God is omnipresent.
I understand some christians may have other interpretations of after death. Well, that is just what I think. The bible is not too clear concerning after death, so there is still some mystery in it.
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heard from a xtian friend that after we die, out souls will sort of be in a suspended animation state, like in hibernation, until the end of the world, then all the souls will be bought to judgement. so christians dun actually go to heaven right away, but will wait for the end of time like every other soul.Originally posted by Icemoon:I also confused.
If they go heaven straight (we ignore the Catholic purgatory for the time being), then Judgement Day is for what?
No need to judge them liao mah.
his view dun reflect my view tho. just offerin what some xtians believe. i think to u this actually makes sense right? -
Your friend might mean hadesOriginally posted by HENG@:heard from a xtian friend that after we die, out souls will sort of be in a suspended animation state, like in hibernation, until the end of the world, then all the souls will be bought to judgement. so christians dun actually go to heaven right away, but will wait for the end of time like every other soul.
his view dun reflect my view tho. just offerin what some xtians believe. i think to u this actually makes sense right? -
What does sleep mean? The Bible uses this term when speaking of death in that the physical body, a dead body, looks very similar in this state. It's always referring to the physical body, not the soul. It is the appearance of the body that is sleeping, no one is able to see the spirit . It is also a term used exclusively for believers. The term sleeping, in reference to death, is not used for unbelievers. It is crucial in understanding what the Bible is trying to portray to christians when it says that the dead in Christ are sleeping.
Believers and unbelievers do not experience the same afterlife. So, sleeping is used for one who is in Christ, it is God' s viewpoint of a temporary suspension of physical activity, yet, there is a continuation of the mind and the soul, the personality.
Believers enter immediately into the presence of the Lord at death and enjoy fellowship with him there (see 2 Cor. 5:8, Phil. 1:23, Luke 23:43, Heb. 12:23). These verses confirm that there is conscious existence after death and fellowship with God.
Luke 16:24-26, a conversation between Abraham and the rich man and 1 Samuel 28, Saul, who had disobeyed God,tried to reach Samuel from the dead through a medium, confirms that the "fallen asleep" have awareness of thier existence. -
his actual words were "suspended animation, where the soul is lying without consciousness with the body in the grave. Like a switch switched off."Originally posted by M©+square:Your friend might mean hades
So maybe thats why u CAN disturb the dead. wake their souls up by accident. -
Wah...cheem!Originally posted by HENG@:his actual words were "suspended animation, where the soul is lying without consciousness with the body in the grave. Like a switch switched off."
So maybe thats why u CAN disturb the dead. wake their souls up by accident.
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I guess the word is soul sleeping and it is not biblical.Originally posted by HENG@:his actual words were "suspended animation, where the soul is lying without consciousness with the body in the grave. Like a switch switched off."
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dunno la. his theory, not mine.Originally posted by askxyz:I guess the word is soul sleeping and it is not biblical. -
1st time he tell me, i stare at him gong gong lidat.Originally posted by M©+square:Wah...cheem! 
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A person, christian or not is made up of 3 parts: Mind, Soul and Body. Neither can go on without the other. Even before a person departs, i strongly believe Angels are there to recieve him/her. To relieve and to comfort their souls, right after they breathed their last.
Why is it some people who're in a state of consussion after drowning, coma, woke up to tell of their out of body experience? Again its my believe here, that some drowning victims, or accidental death people had the choice if they want to return to their loved ones, or not if their time ain't due. Some chose not to, others decided to return to their families and wake up in revalation to an out of body experience.
When my grandma pass away suddenly, i went to sleep in her room, hoping to see her for one last time on the 7th day, as the chinese say, the person's soul will come back one last time on this day (did i get it right people?).Yet there was nothing. Somehow when a person departs, i believe you'll meet old friends up there, there'll be a reunion with tears of joy in heaven.
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I have my reservations.
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I have a question: What is(are) the difference(s) between a spirit and a soul?
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There is bound to have people asking this question.Originally posted by eternal hope:I have a question: What is(are) the difference(s) between a spirit and a soul?
SajNT have some explaining to do in the definition.
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Try picturing Valhalla and you have a rough idea of Heaven.Originally posted by chikopek:I read from many obituries that Christian 'was called home with the lord' so all the Christians would go heaven to be with the lord after death? So how does the Christans' heaven like?
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SajNT explained? Where? No leh.Originally posted by M©+square:There is bound to have people asking this question.
SajNT have some explaining to do in the definition.
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I will hold my reservations till it's necessary to discuss.Originally posted by eternal hope:SajNT explained? Where? No leh.
What about your explainations?
Otherwise, there'll be further questions. Not easy to answer.
I'm feeling goofy again....so can i ask...?
Can christians become 'ghost'?
Optional question.
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Originally posted by M©+square:I will hold my reservations till it's necessary to discuss.
Otherwise, there'll be further questions. Not easy to answer.
I'm feeling goofy again....so can i ask...?
Can christians become 'ghost'?
Optional question.
Cheers Like that also can... 
If everyone like that, then there will be no reply liao. Those who helps answered will be asked questions by other people... so sad.. so fan.. -
It's not difficult to answer.Originally posted by eternal hope: Like that also can...
If everyone like that, then there will be no reply liao. Those who helps answered will be asked questions by other people... so sad.. so fan..
Let those who are good in this topic answer la.
I got alot of question also
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This is a somewhat difficult question. It seems that man is likely made up of three distinct parts: body, soul, and spirit. The body is made up of flesh and can be touched. The soul forms the basic thought patterns and directs one’s functions. The spirit is in direct relationship with the Lord.Originally posted by M©+square:There is bound to have people asking this question.
SajNT have some explaining to do in the definition.
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To sum up: Your Spirit is always guided by God. Your Soul is always guided by your Spirit. And your Soul always seeks to guide you and your Personality, here on earth, to the degree that it can, in the daily affairs of your life. But, your Personality can choose, consciously or unconsciously, either to accept, not to accept, or to reject the thread of guidance given by your Soul, your Spirit, and God. On the Earth plane, it really is all a matter of choice ; j -
I do believe christians, no matter how painful and convulsive their last breathe could be, they pass away peacefully. Their chores here is done & you know, they have some catching up to do with old friends on the other side. But sometimes, you know, just sometimes, i wish it ain't true. and that their spirits can still visa to and fro, to visit the ones they've loved, and had so regretfully left behind ;. iOriginally posted by M©+square:I will hold my reservations till it's necessary to discuss.
Otherwise, there'll be further questions. Not easy to answer.
I'm feeling goofy again....so can i ask...?
Can christians become 'ghost'?
Optional question.
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i remember when i was helping out at RCIA the priest said something similar.Originally posted by SajNT:This is a somewhat difficult question. It seems that man is likely made up of three distinct parts: body, soul, and spirit. The body is made up of flesh and can be touched. The soul forms the basic thought patterns and directs oneÂ’s functions. The spirit is in direct relationship with the Lord.
he contrasted humans with animals.
like.. humans are made up of the spirit, soul and body. while in the case of animals, they are made up of only body and soul.
anyway, i aint too sure. hahaa.. i always drift off when listening -
This is in line with Jewish theology.Originally posted by ben1xy:i remember when i was helping out at RCIA the priest said something similar.
he contrasted humans with animals.
like.. humans are made up of the spirit, soul and body. while in the case of animals, they are made up of only body and soul.
anyway, i aint too sure. hahaa.. i always drift off when listening
In short, God created souls first. Then God created Adam which was a spiritual creation.
The Jews could accept this line of thinking. Many Christians cannot. That's why you seldom see the former arguing for literal 6 days creation. Or disagreeing vehemently that primates were our ancestors. -
Hmm? What was edited?Originally posted by Icemoon:This is in line with Jewish theology.
In short, God created souls first. Then God created Adam which was a spiritual creation.
The Jews could accept this line of thinking. Many Christians cannot. That's why you seldom see the former arguing for literal 6 days creation. Or disagreeing vehemently that primates were our ancestors. -
There are five judgements Icemoon which are you referring?Originally posted by Icemoon:I also confused.
If they go heaven straight (we ignore the Catholic purgatory for the time being), then Judgement Day is for what?
No need to judge them liao mah.
1) Judgement of sin borne by Christ in Calvary. Believers have passed from death [judgment] to life if they accept Christ. They 'agreed' to be judged by God in Christ when they accepted Christ to bore in advance the judgment for their sins. This takes place in the moment of salvation.
2) God's disciplinary judgment [or more accurately chastisement, discipline] when His child is rebelious.
3) Judgement seat of Christ. When God gives His rewards to His saints.
4) judgment of the nations or the Day of the Lord. Immediately after Armaggdon [Matthew 25], the anti-christ and the false prophet will be the first occupants of the lake of fire [REvelations 19:20]
5) Great White Throne Judgment at the end of the Millenium. Where all the unsaved will be judged and thrown into the lake of fire along with Satan and his angels. This is exclusive only to those whose names have not been written in the book of life REvelations 20:12-15