Once saved always saved.
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Who believes in thsi doctrine? Why?
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if salvation is by the Holy Spirit .. then it is a joke if one day you become unsaved. God has foreknowledge. God is sovereign.Originally posted by fallin:Who believes in thsi doctrine? Why? -
me
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I too believe in this doctine but why do I see converts AWAY from Christianity?
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Maybe it is like the parable about the seed which was scattered... some fell on good ground, some fell among weeds, some fell on rocks... some got eaten up by the birds...Originally posted by fallin:I too believe in this doctine but why do I see converts AWAY from Christianity? -
me me me.
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Don't believe it.
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I believe one who declared himself a Christian have to obey God because His Word is everlasting.Originally posted by fallin:I too believe in this doctine but why do I see converts AWAY from Christianity?
the question you asked is also in this verse..
"You were running a good race. Who cut in on you and kept you from obeying the truth?" Galatians 5:7 -
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The statement, by itself, is too simplistic.Originally posted by fallin:Who believes in thsi doctrine? Why?
There is a need to qualify it: in that what is the condition of being saved. Being saved means that there is a requirement to accept Christ as one's personal saviour. If anyone decides to break this requirement, then the agreement is broken, hence the person's salvation will disappears. -
Why do i always see funny interpretations from you?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Maybe it is like the parable about the seed which was scattered... some fell on good ground, some fell among weeds, some fell on rocks... some got eaten up by the birds...
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don think there are different conditions of being saved, for salvation does not come with conditions, and there is only one way to be saved, i.e. repent, accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and be reconciled with God. If that genuinely happened, then a person is saved, becomes a child of God, with the Holy Spirit dwelling in him.Originally posted by Chin Eng:The statement, by itself, is too simplistic.
There is a need to qualify it: in that what is the condition of being saved. Being saved means that there is a requirement to accept Christ as one's personal saviour. If anyone decides to break this requirement, then the agreement is broken, hence the person's salvation will disappears.
Whats next? will God look after his children? or does He look after his children? will God disown His children because they go astray, "salvation disappear"?
Christians will continue to battle against the evils of the world, but God does not stand aside and see if we win or if He would withdraw the salvation when we lose. Now we fight the battle with help of the Holy Spirit in us. Christians should continue to pray for His forgiveness but we should not worry that our salvation would disappear.
God's faithfulness does not changed whether we are faithful or not. God's care include discipline, and God disciplines His children when they are naughty. So if we should ever think about being unfaithful to Him, beware, God disciplines.
Once we are His children, we are always His children. -
I may not have made myself clear enough.... sorry.Originally posted by sgdiehard:don think there are different conditions of being saved, for salvation does not come with conditions, and there is only one way to be saved, i.e. repent, accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and be reconciled with God. If that genuinely happened, then a person is saved, becomes a child of God, with the Holy Spirit dwelling in him.
Once we are His children, we are always His children.
What I meant was: actually salvation comes with ONE condition - that being the willing to accept Christ as our personal saviour.
If the individual negates this condition, ie reject that Christ is his saviour, then this individual may face the damnation of the Lord....
It boils down the choices one make. If one decides that he no longer wants to be recognise as a child of God, I don't think God is obligated to keep His side of the bargain. -
You don't and cannot believe it because of your Roman Catholism faith.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Don't believe it.
In Roman Catholism, if you believe that you are saved and can go to heaven, you have committed the Sin of Presumption and will be cursed to go to hell. -
i agree with both sgdiehard and Chin Eng.Originally posted by sgdiehard:don think there are different conditions of being saved, for salvation does not come with conditions, and there is only one way to be saved, i.e. repent, accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and be reconciled with God. If that genuinely happened, then a person is saved, becomes a child of God, with the Holy Spirit dwelling in him.
Whats next? will God look after his children? or does He look after his children? will God disown His children because they go astray, "salvation disappear"?
Christians will continue to battle against the evils of the world, but God does not stand aside and see if we win or if He would withdraw the salvation when we lose. Now we fight the battle with help of the Holy Spirit in us. Christians should continue to pray for His forgiveness but we should not worry that our salvation would disappear.
God's faithfulness does not changed whether we are faithful or not. God's care include discipline, and God disciplines His children when they are naughty. So if we should ever think about being unfaithful to Him, beware, God disciplines.
Once we are His children, we are always His children.
The condition here is "If that genuinely happened, then a person is saved, becomes a child of God, with the Holy Spirit dwelling in him." -
Originally posted by fandango:
Woah. Genuine conversion is another whole new topic altogether.
i agree with both sgdiehard and Chin Eng.
The condition here is "If that [b]genuinely happened, then a person is saved, becomes a child of God, with the Holy Spirit dwelling in him."
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no. its just excuses for any bad behaviour
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I embrace the five points of TULIP
it is not an excuse to go geylang once u r christian. rather i see this doctrine on the faithfulness of God..not man.
Man r jerks.
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zhun boh? I thought you from Anglican Church one?Originally posted by NT2:I embrace the five points of TULIP -
I don't believe it. I think the reason why some Christians keep committing the same sin over and over again, despite being fully aware that they're doing wrong, is because they believe that, as a Christian, no matter what happens, they will still be allowed to go to heaven after death.
Yes, God loves us unconditionally, regardless of our religion, race, etc. He does not filter us into non-believers and believers, and send non-believers straight to hell.
I believe that after death, each and everyone of us faces judgement for whatever we've done in our lives. Having faith in Him is one thing, but it's no excuse to keep committing the same sin, thinking He will save you. To commit a sin over and over again, thinking you have His protection, is like a child who hides behind his protective parent to save himself from the cane. You can be forgiven once, probably twice and at most thrice, but if u keep doing it again, u'll still have to face the cane. -
If that's the case. You might have to consider God's unconditional Grace.Originally posted by surfbabe:I don't believe it. I think the reason why some Christians keep committing the same sin over and over again, despite being fully aware that they're doing wrong, is because they believe that, as a Christian, no matter what happens, they will still be allowed to go to heaven after death.
Yes, God loves us unconditionally, regardless of our religion, race, etc. He does not filter us into non-believers and believers, and send non-believers straight to hell.
I believe that after death, each and everyone of us faces judgement for whatever we've done in our lives. Having faith in Him is one thing, but it's no excuse to keep committing the same sin, thinking He will save you. To commit a sin over and over again, thinking you have His protection, is like a child who hides behind his protective parent to save himself from the cane. You can be forgiven once, probably twice and at most thrice, but if u keep doing it again, u'll still have to face the cane.
It's called the irresistable grace in various thesis.
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how is that a funny intepretation? maybe you don't understand? go and read again the question to which i responded... it is in the bible, you are telling me that it is not... and I only said maybe... i did not say a definite. There are so many reasons why people can fall away from the faith, but Jesus did mention this in that particular parable. So how is this not relevant? May be you should read your bible again....Originally posted by M©+square:Why do i always see funny interpretations from you?
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then maybe you should read the part in the bible when Jesus was asked how many times we should forgive... He answered 70 x7...Originally posted by surfbabe:I don't believe it. I think the reason why some Christians keep committing the same sin over and over again, despite being fully aware that they're doing wrong, is because they believe that, as a Christian, no matter what happens, they will still be allowed to go to heaven after death.
Yes, God loves us unconditionally, regardless of our religion, race, etc. He does not filter us into non-believers and believers, and send non-believers straight to hell.
I believe that after death, each and everyone of us faces judgement for whatever we've done in our lives. Having faith in Him is one thing, but it's no excuse to keep committing the same sin, thinking He will save you. To commit a sin over and over again, thinking you have His protection, is like a child who hides behind his protective parent to save himself from the cane. You can be forgiven once, probably twice and at most thrice, but if u keep doing it again, u'll still have to face the cane. -
Corrected.Originally posted by breytonhartge:how is that a funny intepretation? maybe you don't understand? go and read again the question to which i responded... it is in the bible, you are telling me that it is not... and I only said maybe... i did not say a definite. There are so many reasons why people can fall away from the faith, but Jesus did mention this in that particular parable. So how is this not relevant? May be you should read your bible again....
The respond to that question is reasonable.
Apologies.
But if you're quoting a verse. Be sure of it. 'and I only said maybe... i did not say a definite.' - Like JTB. Using this may just seem like you're unsure. Not a good round for debate.
Back to the topic. If the parable stands - then how would Once Saved Always Saved applies?
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So does it mean one should test his patience to the limit by committing the sin knowingly over and over again? Then during judgement after death, tell Jesus in His face that He's supposed to forgive you because you have not finished up your "quota"?Originally posted by breytonhartge:then maybe you should read the part in the bible when Jesus was asked how many times we should forgive... He answered 70 x7...