Apostasy in the church
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Pls go to link below to read abt apostasy in the church. Seems like prob very serious already & affects many denominations & churches. Anyway, up to u to form opinions:
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first of all ur nick is not impressive.
secondly pls observe what is your agenda here. -
Actually John the Baptist is not a good nick to use. 'cos the real one lost his faith when things get tough.Originally posted by NT2:first of all ur nick is not impressive.
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The real John The Baptist didn't lost his faith la.Originally posted by Icemoon:Actually John the Baptist is not a good nick to use. 'cos the real one lost his faith when things get tough.
He just didn't understand certain things. But he got it in the end and gave his life onto God.
That's how i interpreted. -
Actually he couldn't understand why Jesus never save him right?Originally posted by M©+square:He just didn't understand certain things. But he got it in the end and gave his life onto God.
That's how i interpreted.
So what did he understand in the end? -
A very encouraging statement,even the great people in the Bible have their doubts sometimes...much less a regular Christian.Originally posted by M©+square:The real John The Baptist didn't lost his faith la.
He just didn't understand certain things. But he got it in the end and gave his life onto God.
That's how i interpreted. -
YUPOriginally posted by fallin:A very encouraging statement,even the great people in the Bible have their doubts sometimes...much less a regular Christian. -
We are not to judge in any situation. Give them the benefits of doubt if they want. Judge and you will be judged.
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This is one of the most cliche lines in Christiandom. Especially when a group or individual is being questioned of it's credibility. There were many occasions where new-generation churches were questioned of their doctrines, their followers (as well as leaders) will use this line as a first line of defense.... but how wrong are they.Originally posted by photo_seeker:We are not to judge in any situation. Give them the benefits of doubt if they want. Judge and you will be judged.
Geneva Study Bible
7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
We ought to find fault with one another, but we must beware we do not do it without cause, or to seem holier than others or because of hatred of others.
People's New Testament
Matt 7:1
Judge not, that ye be not judged. The term judge is used in more than one sense, but Christ's meaning is plain. (1) He does not prohibit the civil judgment of the courts upon evil doers, for this is approved throughout the whole Bible. (2) He does not prohibit the judgment of the church, through its officers, upon those who walk disorderly, for both he and the apostles have enjoined this. (3) He does not forbid those private judgments that we are compelled to form the wrong-doers, for he himself tell us that we are to judge men by their fruits. (See Mt 7:15-20.) What he designs to prohibit is rash, uncharitable judgments, a fault-finding spirit, a disposition to condemn without examination of charges
Wesley's Notes
7:1 Judge not - any man without full, clear, certain knowledge, without absolute necessity, without tender love. Luke 6:37.
Matthew Henry Commentaries
7:1-6 We must judge ourselves, and judge of our own acts, but not make our word a law to everybody. We must not judge rashly, nor pass judgment upon our brother without any ground. We must not make the worst of people. Here is a just reproof to those who quarrel with their brethren for small faults, while they allow themselves in greater ones. Some sins are as motes, while others are as beams; some as a gnat, others as a camel. Not that there is any sin little; if it be a mote, or splinter, it is in the eye; if a gnat, it is in the throat; both are painful and dangerous, and we cannot be easy or well till they are got out. That which charity teaches us to call but a splinter in our brother's eye, true repentance and godly sorrow will teach us to call a beam in our own. It is as strange that a man can be in a sinful, miserable condition, and not be aware of it, as that a man should have a beam in his eye, and not consider it; but the god of this world blinds their minds. Here is a good rule for reprovers; first reform thyself.
Source: http://biblecommenter.com/matthew/7-1.htm
See also: http://www.studylight.org/com/bnn/view.cgi?book=mt&chapter=7
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wah .. Chin Eng has progressed from quoting scripture to quoting commentaries and study guides!
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there's a time and place for everything.Originally posted by Icemoon:wah .. Chin Eng has progressed from quoting scripture to quoting commentaries and study guides!
when we deal with Christians, quoting scripture is useful as all Christians are to use the Bible as their personal compass.
also, when there are issues with understand the context of any passage, commentaries are good because these are written by Bible scholars, who are obviously better and more learned that anyone of us.
to me, it is quite pointless to quote scriptures to non-believers, which is why I never do it unless it is to clarify a misconception. Still such quotations are at best academic because the spirit of the message is always lacking.
too many individuals are walking around spewing Christian cliches (some of which are misquoted and others are down right false).
just a few days ago, I just corrected my son who said: God help those who help themselves. This is firstly not even a real verse, and secondly it is not a genuine Christian teaching. -
Wow! My mom said what your son said!Originally posted by Chin Eng:there's a time and place for everything.
when we deal with Christians, quoting scripture is useful as all Christians are to use the Bible as their personal compass.
also, when there are issues with understand the context of any passage, commentaries are good because these are written by Bible scholars, who are obviously better and more learned that anyone of us.
to me, it is quite pointless to quote scriptures to non-believers, which is why I never do it unless it is to clarify a misconception. Still such quotations are at best academic because the spirit of the message is always lacking.
too many individuals are walking around spewing Christian cliches (some of which are misquoted and others are down right false).
just a few days ago, I just corrected my son who said: God help those who help themselves. This is firstly not even a real verse, and secondly it is not a genuine Christian teaching.
And i corrected her. 
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Yah this is not biblical and I think I corrected someone in CC also.Originally posted by Chin Eng:just a few days ago, I just corrected my son who said: God help those who help themselves. This is firstly not even a real verse, and secondly it is not a genuine Christian teaching. -
probably me....Originally posted by Icemoon:Yah this is not biblical and I think I corrected someone in CC also. -
It was actually spoken by one of the previous US presidents... Franklin Roosevelt I think.Originally posted by Icemoon:Yah this is not biblical and I think I corrected someone in CC also.