Do you know Christians can go to hell?
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Still you did not answer why you think it's very important.Originally posted by John The Baptist:Paul did say in Corinthians that he wished all speak in tongues like he did & do not forbid to speak in tongues but do it orderly. The purpose, method, manifestation, conseq etc is all in the NT esp Acts & Corinthians so maybe u would like to read up a bit.
Would you like to quote for me the:
Method
Manifestation
Consequences
etc.
From Acts and 1&2 Cor for me?
I can't seem to find anything which Paul would mention regarding about the above. -
hw come still haven close?
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This is one very interesting topic you've brought up.Originally posted by John The Baptist:Yes, that's why i say i dont understand why we speak in tongues. Even satanists can speak satanic tongues. So i just want to learn more, that's all. I do know they also have prosperity & healing blessings thru their chanting bcos i heard testimonies from my frens that it works. So what or who is the source? Just some doubts on my own, that's all.
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wah seldom hear u praising JTB ..Originally posted by M©+square:This is one very interesting topic you've brought up.
We shall discuss on this some other time.
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You must know i'm a objective person.Originally posted by Icemoon:wah seldom hear u praising JTB ..
When i'm sacarstic. I'll hit all the way one.
Don't have to use 'Cheers' to deliver the msg.
The issue he raised is indeed a difficult answer.
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topics in here runs on a self-renewal policy.. like pap.Originally posted by NT2:hw come still haven close?
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Hahahaha...Originally posted by Ito_^:topics in here runs on a self-renewal policy.. like pap. -
Originally posted by Ito_^:topics in here runs on a self-renewal policy.. like pap.
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Wah lau too long lah. & i dont have bible with me. It's very impt bcos i heard from certain charismatic pastors that tongues can help us pray in the Spirit so more powerful in spiritual warfare etc?Originally posted by M©+square:Still you did not answer why you think it's very important.
Would you like to quote for me the:
Method
Manifestation
Consequences
etc.
From Acts and 1&2 Cor for me?
I can't seem to find anything which Paul would mention regarding about the above.
I am not expert on Holy Spirit. Maybe ask Benny Hinn, Smith Wigglesworth or Kenneth Hagin. Anyway, 2 died already so have to resurrect them to find out. The only one surviving is Benny Hinn. So go ask the expert lah. Why ask me?
Method could be: Gather in one place in gps of 100s & pray & wait for the Holy Spirit to come.
Manifestation could be: A rushing in like a mighty wind with loud noise with tongues of fire falling on the heads of believers & everyone starts to speak in a foreign language.
Consequences could be: So that everyone will hear & come rushing to see what the heaven is happening there & hear the disciples speaking in their own native tongues even though they are unschooled fishermen, tax collectors, zealots, ex-pros, ex-sinners etc. & then the leader will stand up & give a heart cutting speech so that 1000s will be saved.
Btw, this is only one of the method, manifestation & consequences listed. The Spirit comes & goes without us knowing where or how. -
Anyway, topic really drifted too much. I still say Christians can go to hell.
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*double post.
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i think there is no point arguing with you because you are too over-whelmed with Charismatic teachings.Originally posted by John The Baptist:Anyway, topic really drifted too much. I still say Christians can go to hell. -
I am sorry but there're actually some charismatics who believe in once saved forever saved or the grace doctrine. I dont wish to mention anyone or any church. Bcos there're plenty. But even Traditional Methodism believes in Arminianism altho can lean twds Calvinism.Originally posted by fandango:i think there is no point arguing with you because you are too over-whelmed with Charismatic teachings. -
Huh .. "xitans can go to hell" is charismatic teachings?Originally posted by fandango:i think there is no point arguing with you because you are too over-whelmed with Charismatic teachings.
aiyo fandango .. dun anything also throw to charismatic and catholics leh .. -
Quite true. fandango always never bother to find out ...Originally posted by Icemoon:Huh .. "xitans can go to hell" is charismatic teachings?
aiyo fandango .. dun anything also throw to charismatic and catholics leh ..
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Sorry, this isnt praising. Just raised some curious doubts.Originally posted by Icemoon:wah seldom hear u praising JTB .. -
Originally posted by askxyz:Quite true. fandango always never bother to find out ...
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Originally posted by FrustMom:
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Sorry, I wasn't keep track of this thread:Originally posted by John The Baptist:Paul did say in Corinthians that he wished all speak in tongues like he did & do not forbid to speak in tongues but do it orderly. The purpose, method, manifestation, conseq etc is all in the NT esp Acts & Corinthians so maybe u would like to read up a bit.
1 Cor 14:18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. 19But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
Contrary to what you think, Paul downplayed the importance of tongues in the entire chapter of 1 Cor 14.
Oh, don't get me wrong. I did not say it's wrong to speak in tongues, I am saying that it is not important or big deal as some churches want their worshippers to believe.
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i remember there was this prayer session becuz some friend fell sick in a trip to thailand.. some charismatic, some freethinker, some this and that.. rojak la. den the rule was - no tongues. becuz the rest feels uncomfortable when others speak in tongue.
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'Originally posted by Ito_^:i remember there was this prayer session becuz some friend fell sick in a trip to thailand.. some charismatic, some freethinker, some this and that.. rojak la. den the rule was - no tongues. becuz the rest feels uncomfortable when others speak in tongue.
hah, i would take out my rosary and start praying.
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to each his own la.. who am i to say u cannot do dat.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:'
hah, i would take out my rosary and start praying. -
lolOriginally posted by Ito_^:to each his own la.. who am i to say u cannot do dat. -
Referring to someone's something to satanic tongues.. the speaking in tongues in christianity is due to an outpouring of the holy spirit. I'm quoting the below from some booklet thingy..
Q: Is it possible for an interpretation of tongues to run contrary from the teachings of the bible?
A: if the holy spiriit has authentically inspired the intepretation, it will never contradict the teachings of the bible. if it is contrary to the scripture, it is out of order and must be ruled so. the bible is the measure by which all utterances must be judged. the scriptures cannot be contradicted. [Psalm 119:89; Matt 5:18; 24:35; 1 Peter 1:25] They are complete and cannot be added to. [Rev 22:18,19]
paul did not hesitate to establish guidelines within which the gifts of the Spirit must operate. he stated that any utterance, message or gift expression must line up with scripture and be judged by it. he declared that God's messenger, whether speaking with a prophetic word or in tongues followed by interpretation, must rule his own spirit and submit always to the guidelines of scriptural truth. [1 Cor 14:33,40; 1 John 4:1-3]
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Q: Since in 1 Cor 14:19 paul said that it is better to speak intelligibly than in tongues in church, why speak in tongues then?
It does seem contradictory when paul says "i thank God that i speak in tongues more than all of you. but in the church i would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue." [1 Cor 14:18,19] the seeming contradiction evaporates when we examine the chapter more fully. paul was addressing a specific problem in the church at Corinth, namely, spontaneous utterances in tounges at an assembly of believers without accompanying intepretations. he equated this with disorder and confusion. [1 Cor 14:13, 32,33] he purposely exaggerated ("ten thousand words") to make his point. it was not made to invalidate the benifit and the use of tongues, but to bring order to the church. actually he encouraged the exercise of the spiritual gift of tongues and intepretation of tounges by explaining in some detail how they should operate. [1 Cor 14:26-33] Also he placed great value on tounges in a believer's life. [1 Cor 14:4]
when biblical truths fall into obscurity and neglect, people often seek explainations. when speaking in tongues is no longer experienced, and they ask the reason, critics have answered by isolating this particular statement and giving it an unsound meaning.
Paul was not opposed to tounges. His point was that if someone speakes tounges in a public assembly, it is essential that there will be an intepretation so that listeners will be instructed. -
Yes contextually,Originally posted by zyn:Referring to someone's something to satanic tongues.. the speaking in tongues in christianity is due to an outpouring of the holy spirit. I'm quoting the below from some booklet thingy..
Q: Is it possible for an interpretation of tongues to run contrary from the teachings of the bible?
A: if the holy spiriit has authentically inspired the intepretation, it will never contradict the teachings of the bible. if it is contrary to the scripture, it is out of order and must be ruled so. the bible is the measure by which all utterances must be judged. the scriptures cannot be contradicted. [Psalm 119:89; Matt 5:18; 24:35; 1 Peter 1:25] They are complete and cannot be added to. [Rev 22:18,19]
paul did not hesitate to establish guidelines within which the gifts of the Spirit must operate. he stated that any utterance, message or gift expression must line up with scripture and be judged by it. he declared that God's messenger, whether speaking with a prophetic word or in tongues followed by interpretation, must rule his own spirit and submit always to the guidelines of scriptural truth. [1 Cor 14:33,40; 1 John 4:1-3]
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Q: Since in 1 Cor 14:19 paul said that it is better to speak intelligibly than in tongues in church, why speak in tongues then?
It does seem contradictory when paul says "i thank God that i speak in tongues more than all of you. but in the church i would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue." [1 Cor 14:18,19] the seeming contradiction evaporates when we examine the chapter more fully. paul was addressing a specific problem in the church at Corinth, namely, spontaneous utterances in tounges at an assembly of believers without accompanying intepretations. he equated this with disorder and confusion. [1 Cor 14:13, 32,33] he purposely exaggerated ("ten thousand words") to make his point. it was not made to invalidate the benifit and the use of tongues, but to bring order to the church. actually he encouraged the exercise of the spiritual gift of tongues and intepretation of tounges by explaining in some detail how they should operate. [1 Cor 14:26-33] Also he placed great value on tounges in a believer's life. [1 Cor 14:4]
when biblical truths fall into obscurity and neglect, people often seek explainations. when speaking in tongues is no longer experienced, and they ask the reason, critics have answered by isolating this particular statement and giving it an unsound meaning.
Paul was not opposed to tounges. His point was that if someone speakes tounges in a public assembly, it is essential that there will be an intepretation so that listeners will be instructed.
Paul called for Order and Love to be abound in issues of Gifts and Worship of the church.
Gift of tongues is as important as the rest of the spiritual gifts of the spirit.
The essential issue is how a believer apply tongues as a gift edifying to fellow brethens and glorifying to God.
p.s don't understand the highlighted portion.
Cheers