What does the meaning of beliving in god mean?

• ghimpheng

  11 Oct 05, 14:04

  Originally posted by shade343:

  No. All gods are the same. They work as a team. But to say god is imperfect might be a bit of arrogance on your side. You are not the creator. so who are you to comment on him?

  There only one god i suppose....
• ghimpheng

  11 Oct 05, 14:05

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  if god is perfect, he wouldn't make the devil or allow men to eat the apple

  as I have said and will say it again if he had made adam perfect "Adam would be a god too".
• M©+square

  11 Oct 05, 14:14

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  either you or fandango.

  You and i or fadango know very well that, this issue has no absolute answer only absolute personal belief.
  
  So no point la. Haiz
• Icemoon

  11 Oct 05, 14:17

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  If everything is made good, then wat is the thing tat start to make things bad ? Is it things will definitely become bad after a brief period of warranty or "something" tat make it bad ?

  God did not create beings and plant into them all the possible actions they could that. We are not machines. Our actions are, arguably, not deterministic.
  
  No to your second qn.
  
  

  Why don't u be more specific and tell the complete picture of why the angel of music become a devil ?

  bible got say or not? I think it only mentions pride for Satan.
  
  

  the snake is created by god, he expect the snake to behave the way he did and he didn't stop all the things to develop. Effectively tis is just a trap or a show

  Are you god? Why are you making assumptions of how god behaves and thinks? God is eternal. He has no notion of time as perceived by us human beings.
  
  I won't waste time on the rest of the questions. You already have difficulty understanding the notion of eternity.
  
  utterly waste of time, all your questions hinge on your understanding (read: self-claimed understanding) of eternity.
• M©+square

  11 Oct 05, 14:19

  Originally posted by ghimpheng:

  as I have said and will say it again if he had made adam perfect "Adam would be a god too".

  Heh. Then how do you define perfect?
  
  The first created men is perfect - naked.
  It might not mean perfect as like of God-like.
  But to see God and fellowship with Him on earth, which Adam did, one have to be blemishless.
  In God's perspective, Adam and Eve must have been perfect in His eyes, only that they did not have the capacity to comprehend God himself.
  
  Cheers
• Icemoon

  11 Oct 05, 14:20

  Originally posted by M©+square:

  You and i or fadango know very well that, this issue has no absolute answer only absolute personal belief.
  
  So no point la. Haiz

  I think the Calvinist's defense in the predestination vs. foreknowledge issue very interesting leh.
  
  For me, if you can take the calvinist position and explain the issue in your own words hor .. your theology should be quite good.
  
  I don't think I can. I believe you can.
• M©+square

  11 Oct 05, 14:22

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  I think the Calvinist's defense in the predestination vs. foreknowledge issue very interesting leh.
  
  For me, if you can take the calvinist position and explain the issue in your own words hor .. your theology should be quite good.
  
  I don't think I can. I believe you can.

  You so trusting....
  
  Rare gem, you are.
• Icemoon

  11 Oct 05, 14:38

  edit: should be foreknowledge vs. free will issue.
• stupidissmart

  11 Oct 05, 14:48

  God did not create beings and plant into them all the possible actions they could that. We are not machines. Our actions are, arguably, not deterministic.
  
  No to your second qn.

  U r not answering the question. Now it is clear tat not everything is not good. In fact a lot of things r pretty bad. If no "bad things" r created, then why will things be bad now ? Why will the devil become bad ? I had said if things r bad now, it only means 2 conclusions. God did not create everything good. (God himself admit he made darkness and evil) or everything become bad after a period of time. Or maybe u can try to give another possible conclusion to it.
  
  

  Are you god? Why are you making assumptions of how god behaves and thinks? God is eternal. He has no notion of time as perceived by us human beings.

  U r using the number 1 commonly used answer in here. God is mysterious and no one understand why he do the things he did. Then no use talking about it. It is a no brainer and lousy answer and u can answer everything with it.
  
  

  I won't waste time on the rest of the questions. You already have difficulty understanding the notion of eternity.
  
  utterly waste of time, all your questions hinge on your understanding (read: self-claimed understanding) of eternity.

  Yayaya... where in the replies do u see anything to do with eternal ? All the while I just see u trying to avoid here and there instead of answering can a god be perfect or not.
• Icemoon

  11 Oct 05, 17:57

  You want to understand God and His actions?
  
  Fine. Then use a proper theological framework. Which philosophy you comfortable? Is the Reformed position ok with you?
  
  Anything is better than you anyhow hoot. You are obviously putting God in a box and subjecting God to your own human-centric analysis. And by the way, I dunno what theistic philosophy you using.
• Icemoon

  11 Oct 05, 18:03

  Like happyharvest like to say, your qns have been answered through the ages.
  
  If you are so keen .. then read up on the Reformed position. Then post your critique and we can have a proper discussion.
  
  That's right. A critique.
• happyharvest

  11 Oct 05, 19:54

  (Try to) Focus on the context of discussion and not the person. This will not lead the discussion astray. It is rather effective, I believe.
• stupidissmart

  12 Oct 05, 00:22

  You want to understand God and His actions?
  
  Fine. Then use a proper theological framework. Which philosophy you comfortable? Is the Reformed position ok with you?
  
  Anything is better than you anyhow hoot. You are obviously putting God in a box and subjecting God to your own human-centric analysis. And by the way, I dunno what theistic philosophy you using.

  
  
  U must really be a textbook kind of person. I ask a question, and if u think u can reply then reply. If u can't reply then don't need to. Why should I stick with a textbook kind of model ? U mean all the questions must be from some models made by someone somewhere ? then like tat no one is gonna ask any question in forums anymore and even if they do, it is a stale question. Maybe u should write a critique on why I should write a critique then I will consider your application
• Icemoon

  12 Oct 05, 02:16

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  Why should I stick with a textbook kind of model ? U mean all the questions must be from some models made by someone somewhere ? then like tat no one is gonna ask any question in forums anymore and even if they do, it is a stale question. Maybe u should write a critique on why I should write a critique then I will consider your application

  You want to play serious mah.
  
  So we do like we do research paper like that. Use proper framework. Do literature review and its critique.
  
  
• Icemoon

  12 Oct 05, 02:26

  Originally posted by stupidissmart:

  U r using the number 1 commonly used answer in here. God is mysterious and no one understand why he do the things he did. Then no use talking about it. It is a no brainer and lousy answer and u can answer everything with it.

  You use a human centric framework to argue your point. Prove it. Where is the literature review? Which scholar supported this position?
  
  Or else just admit you dunno anything about how God operates.
  
  

  Yayaya... where in the replies do u see anything to do with eternal ? All the while I just see u trying to avoid here and there instead of answering can a god be perfect or not.

  Ok .. I ask you one question. If you agree that everything was orignally "very good", then when do you think they started turning "bad"?
  
  If you dun believe they were originally very good when created, then we have nothing further to discuss.
• sgdiehard

  12 Oct 05, 09:44

  Originally posted by StarPuppy:

  I belive there is a god,each religeon has a god...does it mean i am being unfaithful to god?
  
  I dun see whats wrong when i told my fren " i belive god is near perfect but he is not all perfect"
  
  I mean how could god be all perfect? prefect is nothingness...anything in life would have its bad points
  
  please explain...thanks
  
  P.S: i am a free thinker...i am not here to make trouble...i just want to understand some points of view of which i..a free thinker cannot see in the way of the christians

  Hello StarPuppy,
  
  are you happy with the explanation so far? or confused even more, especially with some arguments that appear everywhere in EH?
  
  
• laurence82

  12 Oct 05, 12:13

  are there verse that relay how god tell his people not to lose hope at anytime?