Differences between protestant denominations?
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why don't you say believed in and practised inOriginally posted by NT2:baptism are not meant to be believed in. its being practiced -
he meant to say they are sacraments bah.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:why don't you say believed in and practised in
if you practise it , then naturally you would have believed in it too? -
ill wait for his answer thenOriginally posted by Icemoon:he meant to say they are sacraments bah.
if you practise it , then naturally you would have believed in it too? -
we believe in Christ, we practise the sacraments He institutedOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:why don't you say believed in and practised in
there lies a trap in christianity today we worship christianity, we place our trust in sacraments and we worship 'worship'
all these i must say with no apologies are idolatry. -
To trust them is to trust him. If sacraments were idolatrous, why would Christ institute them in the first place?
Besides, the Blessed Sacrament is Christ himself. -
Not that simple although that is the usual response....it's for more political than religious reasons. Henry VIII did it cos he needed a male heir to ensure stability in his reign. If you have no obvious heir, every nephew and cousin next in line will look for a chance to do you in and take over the throne.Originally posted by shade343:Haha. Anglicans was founded because one King decided to have more than 1 wife.
His first wife, Catherine of Aragon was a Spanish princess who could not give him a son. He sought to annul the marriage (not divorce) on the grounds that his marriage to her was not valid in the first place. You see, Catherine of Aragon was actually married to Henry VIII's brother, Arthur, who was the Prince of Wales. Arthur died and so Catherine married Henry, who became the next king.
But as you know, taking your brother's wife was prohibited in Leviticus and so a dispensation from the Pope was necessary to marry. Catherine's father, the king of Spain, exerted pressure on the Pope and that dispensation (permission) was given although some might dispute if that could ever be valid.
After the marriage, however, Catherine could not bear him a son. Henry began to look at the texts of Leviticus which says that if a man takes his brother's wife, they shall be childless. Although they had a daughter, Mary, that didn't count in Henry's mind. The King began to petition the Pope for an annulment. He apparently thought that the earlier dispensation given was probably not valid, that's the reason why he had no son..
Catherine objected to an annulment and she had influence in that she was a princess of Spain, a powerful nation loyal to the Pope and her nephew was the Holy Roman Emperor. Whilst the Pope was deciding what to do for the next 6 years, the young Henry VIII made his mistress, Ann Boleyn pregnant. Henry panicked. If Ann gave birth to a son, he had to get that annulment before the baby is out, or the child would be illegitimate.
Left without much of a choice with the Pope procrastinating and Ann's belly growing, he rejected the power of the Pope in Rome and set up the Anglican Church. The head of the new church, the Archbishop of Canterbury, gave him the annulment.
Unfortunately for Henry, all that was for nothing. Ann Boleyn's child was a daughter (the future Elizabeth I) and Henry remained very much a Catholic in religious practice until his death. -
We dont trust them. We trust Him alone. & bcos we trust Him, we obey what He says to do regarding the sacraments w/c He instituted. The blessed sacrament is Christ Himself, yes, but it takes on spiritual meaning here. How can the broken bread be the actual broken body of Christ on the cross? How can the wine be the actual blood of Jesus that was shed? Unless it's spiritual context. Jesus said in the last supper: Do this in remembrance of Him. We remember Him when we take holy communion. Just my view.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:To trust them is to trust him. If sacraments were idolatrous, why would Christ institute them in the first place?
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That's what the Mass is all about, remembering Him as He commands it.
The Blessed Sacrament is the glorified body and blood of Christ. Also, recieving the Eucharist has an effect on the soul. He did say, "this is my body, this is my blood" -
Did Jesus eat His own body and drink His own blood during the last supper?
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"‘I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’ The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’" (John 6:51–52).Originally posted by John The Baptist:Jesus said in the last supper: Do this in remembrance of Him. We remember Him when we take holy communion. Just my view.
"Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him" (John 6:53–56).
Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them. Paul also said, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious? PaulÂ’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ. -
Ah...the old debate: you can read more at the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation
As far as I know, in Singapore only the Roman Catholics hold to transubstantiation. Lutherans, Anglicans and Methodists actually believe in consubstantiation, although many of their adherents think the eucharist only holds symbolic meaning...that is not correct. It's more than symbolic although it is far too mystical to explain adequately.. -
its always the same debate recycling. it'll nv stopOriginally posted by oxford mushroom:Ah...the old debate: you can read more at the following link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transubstantiation
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it can be divided into 2 classification.
1) Fundamental Baptist, Methodist and Prebyterian.
2) All kinds of Charismatic, New Age, Pentacostal churches. -
oo i have a question. i've seen a lot of christian grps emerging. they call themselves new age christians. wad does it actually mean?Originally posted by fandango:it can be divided into 2 classification.
1) Fundamental Baptist, Methodist and Prebyterian.
2) All kinds of Charismatic, New Age, Pentacostal churches. -
This is by far...the most reconciling statement ever made.Originally posted by oxford mushroom:As far as I know, in Singapore only the Roman Catholics hold to transubstantiation. Lutherans, Anglicans and Methodists actually believe in consubstantiation, although many of their adherents think the eucharist only holds symbolic meaning...that is not correct. It's more than symbolic although it is far too mystical to explain adequately..
Yes. It is beyond mere words.
Thanks Oxford Mushroom. -
charismatic/pentacostal.Originally posted by ben1xy:oo i have a question. i've seen a lot of christian grps emerging. they call themselves new age christians. wad does it actually mean? -
I thought i happened many years back?Originally posted by fandango:charismatic/pentacostal.
Is it recent?
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Recent in Singapore. The 3 mega churches at most 20 years old only?Originally posted by M©+square:I thought i happened many years back?
Is it recent?
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Tell me more.Originally posted by Icemoon:Recent in Singapore. The 3 mega churches at most 20 years old only?
Kaypoh mode on.
Good things must share!!!
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We Catholics call the Eucharist the Mystery of Faith. During the Mass, after the consecration of the bread and wine, the priest intones "Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.". The people will reply with,Originally posted by M©+square:This is by far...the most reconciling statement ever made.
Yes. It is beyond mere words.
Thanks Oxford Mushroom.
"Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again." -
What do u mean by 'mystery of faith'? Didnt u say Eucharist represents Christ's body & blood? Just curious.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:We Catholics call the Eucharist the Mystery of Faith. During the Mass, after the consecration of the bread and wine, the priest intones "Let us proclaim the mystery of faith.". The people will reply with,
"Christ has died, Christ is risen, Christ will come again." -
This is spooky. New Age? Pardon me bcos reminds me of my occultic days. Who are they & how do they function?Originally posted by ben1xy:oo i have a question. i've seen a lot of christian grps emerging. they call themselves new age christians. wad does it actually mean? -
It happened many many yrs back as early as the eighties in S'pore. There was a very big one at Jalan Besar.Originally posted by M©+square:I thought i happened many years back?
Is it recent?
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while waiting for Macross (he is much better at this) .. i'll give u my take. the turning of bread to the Body of Christ is something Sacred and Mystical and its not something that a normal person can fanthom.Originally posted by John The Baptist:What do u mean by 'mystery of faith'? Didnt u say Eucharist represents Christ's body & blood? Just curious.
thats my take .. dun think its very accurate.. wait for macross ba -
i have no idea. thats y i'm asking. they introduce themselves as new age Christians. i was hoping maybe u guys would knowOriginally posted by John The Baptist:This is spooky. New Age? Pardon me bcos reminds me of my occultic days. Who are they & how do they function?