ST Forum: Doc asked patient to pray
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wrong thread. btw there is BB in non mission govt sch.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Isn't evangelism the main mission of a mission school?There is always a choice and I'm getting sick and tired of listening to people making certain choices and not having the balls to walk away and instead trying to reform something that seems to offend them.
I'm not saying that aggressive evangelism is right, but at what point does giving information about religion to people become a crime?Let's not take the literals too literally and end up being worser off. -
why cannot use contraceptions like condoms. can wat
hmm... i can't say the doctor's intention was all bad.
as a believer, he believes in the power of god, and believes for the healing. and if it works, why not try it, there's no harm in it.
medicine cannot help everything, and cannot cure everything anyway. esp cancer.
and after praying, and the patient gets healed without the aid of medicine, did he give thanks for it? or was he being an ungrateful son of a ***** and start shooting letters complaining against the doctor?
sometimes non believers are pains in the butt too. -
but a doctor job is to treat a patient. he shd leave the praying to the priest.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:why cannot use contraceptions like condoms. can wat
hmm... i can't say the doctor's intention was all bad.
as a believer, he believes in the power of god, and believes for the healing. and if it works, why not try it, there's no harm in it.
medicine cannot help everything, and cannot cure everything anyway. esp cancer.
and after praying, and the patient gets healed without the aid of medicine, did he give thanks for it? or was he being an ungrateful son of a ***** and start shooting letters complaining against the doctor?
sometimes non believers are pains in the butt too. -
again, you are confusing a christian for a catholic.Originally posted by crazy monkey:but a doctor job is to treat a patient. he shd leave the praying to the priest.
according to the bible, all believers in the risen jesus, are considered priests and can go to God through jesus.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
if the doctor feels that by praying, a miracle could happen, and its also for the patient's benefit, why should he be condemned? a doctor's job is to treat the patient, another words, make him better, it doesn't state there's a specific way to make him better right?
as long as the patient gets well.
so why should the doctor be condemned if the patient gets well? isn't it returning evil for good? -
so next time if your doctor is buddhist he tell you no hope liao. take out sutra and chant for you. you will be very grateful ?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:again, you are confusing a christian for a catholic.
according to the bible, all believers in the risen jesus, are considered priests and can go to God through jesus.
But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
if the doctor feels that by praying, a miracle could happen, and its also for the patient's benefit, why should he be condemned? a doctor's job is to treat the patient, another words, make him better, it doesn't state there's a specific way to make him better right?
as long as the patient gets well.
so why should the doctor be condemned if the patient gets well? isn't it returning evil for good? -
unfortunately i'm not as blind as a certain particular patient .. to judge and condemn the good intentions of the personOriginally posted by crazy monkey:so next time if your doctor is buddhist he tell you no hope liao. take out sutra and chant for you. you will be very grateful ?
i do not believe the buddhist's prayer would be of any effect. but i'll be glad to meet such a caring person who takes the time and effort to care for others.
unfortunately, no buddhist ever offered it b4 hahaha.
my dad do go to the hosptal to pray for the sick, esp if he's visiting someone. sometimes silently while walking by, or he asks their permission first.
if you're any more caring than my dad, u're welcome to flame and throw your snide remarks at him. =)
at least he does something, even though he ain't a doctor, to try to care for strangers who are ill or need some company, or something. are you even doing anything that's close to what my dad's doing to even critisize?
trust me, its embarrassing as hell whenever he does his prayer thing. but i'm proud to say that my dad is a caring and loving person, and any christian who does the same thing has my every respect. -
you dun believe the buddhist prayer would be of any effect. many ppl believe the same for christian prayer also.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:unfortunately i'm not as blind as a certain particular patient .. to judge and condemn the good intentions of the person
i do not believe the buddhist's prayer would be of any effect. but i'll be glad to meet such a caring person who takes the time and effort to care for others.
unfortunately, no buddhist ever offered it b4 hahaha.
my dad do go to the hosptal to pray for the sick, esp if he's visiting someone. sometimes silently while walking by, or he asks their permission first.
if you're any more caring than my dad, u're welcome to flame and throw your snide remarks at him. =)
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if you're any more caring than my dad, u're welcome to flame and throw your snide remarks at him. =)
at least he does something, even though he ain't a doctor, to try to care for strangers who are ill or need some company, or something. are you even doing anything that's close to what my dad's doing to even critisize?
trust me, its embarrassing as hell whenever he does his prayer thing. but i'm proud to say that my dad is a caring and loving person, and any christian who does the same thing has my every respect.
but whether they believe it works isn't the issue here is it.Originally posted by crazy monkey:you dun believe the buddhist prayer would be of any effect. many ppl believe the same for christian prayer also.
we're talking about a doctor who felt that prayers would help the patient get better, and does it regardless of his embarrassment, for the good of the patient. he could just simply write the patient off as "good as dead" and leave him to die. the doctor wouldn't lose his job thats for sure, it wouldn't affect his income. but yet he does the most embarrassing thing on earth, just to hope for a miracle for the patient.
and what that non believing fella did? bite the hand that feeds him, for the lack of a better phrase.
and that example of ingratitude alone, is enough to make one think that
"if a christian is a thorn in the arse, a non christian is like this big branch being shoved up the arsehole"
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but have to respect the non-believer also wat. there are many ppl who survive without prayers and there are ppl who died despite the prayers.
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Well said.Originally posted by dumbdumb!:"if a christian is a thorn in the arse, a non christian is like this big branch being shoved up the arsehole"
How else could we put it? -
when christian make that kind of statement then cannot blame ppl dun like them.Originally posted by iveco:Well said.
How else could we put it? -
was the dignity of the non believer violated? was he molested in some way?Originally posted by crazy monkey:but have to respect the non-believer also wat. there are many ppl who survive without prayers and there are ppl who died despite the prayers.
only his foolish pride was "offended" and his security in medicine was challenged. i don't see that as a reason to humiliate the good doctor and critisize and condemn him. -
i don't really see the point of bottling up what i felt was unfair.Originally posted by crazy monkey:when christian make that kind of statement then cannot blame ppl dun like them.
so i guess writing a hate letter to complain against the good intentions of the doctor makes you non-believers so cuddly and lovable eh?
and it would be logical if u hate me for my comments, but hating the good doctor who didn't "make that kind of statement"? you folks are hard to please. -
is there any hate in the letter ?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:i don't really see the point of bottling up what i felt was unfair.
so i guess writing a hate letter to complain against the good intentions of the doctor makes you non-believers so cuddly and lovable eh?
and it would be logical if u hate me for my comments, but hating the good doctor who didn't "make that kind of statement"? you folks are hard to please.
Oct 4, 2005
Doc asked patient to pray
THE letter, 'Should teachers seek to convert pupils?' (ST, Oct 1), reminded me of an incident at a specialists' clinic in a hospital some years ago.
I was consulting an oncologist on the outcome of a CT scan. Grim-faced, he told me the bad news: my cancer had returned.
Fully aware that I was not a Christian, the doctor asked me to kneel with him and pray. This made me even more distraught because the conclusion was that conventional medicine had run its course and divine intervention was needed.
At that critical moment, I felt that faith and medicine should not have been dispensed in the same prescription.
Alvin Choo Weng Kee -
No hate, but a strong tinge of displeasure.
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a very very VERY strong tinge of displeasure which is enough to actually drive someone to bother taking time out of his very busy schedule to write a letter expressing his "distraught" feelingsOriginally posted by iveco:No hate, but a strong tinge of displeasure.
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dumbdumb!:
Birth control is gravely immoral, it has never been allowed in Christianity.
Well, at least until 1930. The Church of England's Lambeth Conference, announced that contraception would be allowed in some circumstances. Soon the Church of England completely caved in, allowing contraception across the board. Since then, all other Protestant denominations have followed suit. Does this make birth control all right? I don't think so.
Regarding the priesthood, we Catholics make a distinction between the common priesthood and the ministerial priesthood. All Christians make up the common priesthood of believers, and the ordained priests make up the ministerial priesthood. -
but why issit immoral ? married couples may not want to have too many children because they cannot afford to wat.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:dumbdumb!:
Birth control is gravely immoral, it has never been allowed in Christianity.
Well, at least until 1930. The Church of England's Lambeth Conference, announced that contraception would be allowed in some circumstances. Soon the Church of England completely caved in, allowing contraception across the board. Since then, all other Protestant denominations have followed suit. Does this make birth control all right? I don't think so.
Regarding the priesthood, we Catholics make a distinction between the common priesthood and the ministerial priesthood. All Christians make up the common priesthood of believers, and the ordained priests make up the ministerial priesthood. -
Because only God alone decides who lives and who dies.Originally posted by crazy monkey:but why issit immoral ? married couples may not want to have too many children because they cannot afford to wat. -
And what is the fundamental reason for saying No?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:No!! -
but the baby not conceived yet. besides without birth control humans would probably overun the earth.Originally posted by iveco:Because only God alone decides who lives and who dies. -
... and also there should be no doctors and hospitals because by trying to save lives is intervening with God's will.Originally posted by iveco:Because only God alone decides who lives and who dies. -
this is the atheist argument, ironically. By feeding the patient with medication, you are lowering his resistance to future diseases. Since your genes get passed down, your descendants will have less resistance too. Yah. So don't save.Originally posted by crazy monkey:... and also there should be no doctors and hospitals because by trying to save lives is intervening with God's will. -
I don't understand his good intentions. I mean .. by all means pray for the patient, like your dad, BUT WHY ASK THE PATIENT TO PRAY WITH HIM TOO?Originally posted by dumbdumb!:hmm... i can't say the doctor's intention was all bad.
as a believer, he believes in the power of god, and believes for the healing. and if it works, why not try it, there's no harm in it.
Does the doc understand what is "wo3 wei4 ni3 dao3 gao4"?
I don't think the patient/author was incurable then. I mean, was he officially diagnosed to be sure-mati case? And if your pray at the slightest problem, I think xtians see you also scared.
In any case .. we have one [weak] proof that the prayer worked!!
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i believe than sex is a gift from god to a loving married couple.
but if the couple have enough kids, doesn't mean they can't enjoy sex anymore, or have a normal sex life. how is it immoral then?
the bible nv said contraceptive is wrong.