Non-Christians cannot go to heaven
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We come into this world physically alive but spiritually dead.Originally posted by wa|th3r:in the first place, what is this whole thing about being "born again"? I can't help but be reminded of cycle of life, karma... -
which impartial source mentions the resurrection?Originally posted by happyharvest:Besides the bible, there are also some other evidences that prove the existence of Jesus and His cruficion and He rose three days after that. -
Evidence from JosephusOriginally posted by Icemoon:which impartial source mentions the resurrection?
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As interesting as this brief reference is, there is an earlier one, which is truly astonishing. Called the "Testimonium Flavianum," the relevant portion declares:
About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he . . . wrought surprising feats. . . . He was the Christ. When Pilate . . .condemned him to be crucified, those who had . . . come to love him did not give up their affection for him. On the third day he appeared . . . restored to life. . . . And the tribe of Christians . . . has . . . not disappeared.{17}
Extracted from http://www.probe.org/content/view/18/77
You go read it lar...... I believe there are still some of them which are not yet reported lo.
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Originally posted by happyharvest:
This Josephus guy is not exactly impartial. There's some controversy surrounding the evidence you listed. I think SIS can tell us more lah.
[b]Evidence from Josephus
By the way, Josephus was a turncoat, a traitor to the fighting Jews. He joined the Roman camp and even tried to persuade the Jews in a certain besieged city to surrender. I heard he was thrown stones like today we throw smelly eggs.
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Whatever you want to believe.Originally posted by Icemoon:This Josephus guy is not exactly impartial. There's some controversy surrounding the evidence you listed. I think SIS can tell us more lah.
By the way, Josephus was a turncoat, a traitor to the fighting Jews. He joined the Roman camp and even tried to persuade the Jews in a certain besieged city to surrender. I heard he was thrown stones like today we throw smelly eggs. -
ah .. what kind of attitude is this?Originally posted by happyharvest:Whatever you want to believe.
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Err.... No lar. The debate can go on and on and on ..... I don't want to be involve in this senseless kind of debate which some of you have been doing. Help........ dun flame me, ,.............Originally posted by Icemoon:ah .. what kind of attitude is this? -
can you do me a favour? Stop giving comments on Sai Baba please? I think Ive heard enough of your crap. The more you speak on this subject, the more convinced I am of your stupidity.Originally posted by iveco:Baba may have good teachings, but his character is suspect. I trust Mother Theresa more than him. -
cool down lah.Originally posted by shade343:can you do me a favour? Stop giving comments on Sai Baba please? I think Ive heard enough of your crap. The more you speak on this subject, the more convinced I am of your stupidity.
at least he never says Sai Baba teaching is crap. -
The problem is, he does not know the exact nature of Sai Baba. And he propogates untruths about Sai Baba. Such a person will definately meet with ill will one day....Originally posted by Icemoon:cool down lah.
at least he never says Sai Baba teaching is crap. -
He maintained that the character of Baba "is suspect". Maybe you'd like to correct him on that?Originally posted by shade343:The problem is, he does not know the exact nature of Sai Baba. And he propogates untruths about Sai Baba. Such a person will definately meet with ill will one day....
No need to curse and swear at him yea? -
Join other religions also can go to their respective heavens
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Is that some kind of new age theoryOriginally posted by maggot:Join other religions also can go to their respective heavens
but anyway for me, any religion, even non religious ppl, can go to heaven. -
Haha....i admit...one of those who got 'involved in senseless kind of debate'.Originally posted by happyharvest:Err.... No lar. The debate can go on and on and on ..... I don't want to be involve in this senseless kind of debate which some of you have been doing. Help........ dun flame me, ,.............
HH: Don't worry, you're not. -
Anyway dead person don't talks...Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Is that some kind of new age theory
but anyway for me, any religion, even non religious ppl, can go to heaven.
So it's up to the living to think where the dead will go...
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Somebody should give stern warnings in this sgForums if discussions are repeatedly out of control. Too bad there are no virtual polices in this sgForums.
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Delete and ban all religious forums and topics in sgforums would be much better
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You go e-mail to this sgforums owner. Right now, there are no rules and regulations that say cannot, if I'm not wrong. You start the "peace" here lo, you little peace-lover.Originally posted by maggot:Delete and ban all religious forums and topics in sgforums would be much better -
Maybe this sgforum can be like some other forums that have some 24 hr MOD that checks the posts before they are posted in the forumOriginally posted by happyharvest:You go e-mail to this sgforums owner. Right now, there are no rules and regulations that say cannot, if I'm not wrong. You start the "peace" here lo, you little peace-lover. -
Interesting ideas. Go tell the forum owner(s) here.Originally posted by maggot:Maybe this sgforum can be like some other forums that have some 24 hr MOD that checks the posts before they are posted in the forum -
You mean dead people decide where they want to go?Originally posted by maggot:Anyway dead person don't talks...
So it's up to the living to think where the dead will go...
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TO ALL THOSE THAT BELIEVE THAT ONLY CHRISTIANS CAN GO TO HEAVEN:
Does it make sense to you that in an earth of over 6 billion Humans, that only a fraction of those would be saved from eternal damnation? How does that play into the infinite love of God? -
If people dont go to heaven, where do judgement occur then?Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Is that some kind of new age theory
but anyway for me, any religion, even non religious ppl, can go to heaven.
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http://uselessinsight.net/rejection/christianity.shtml
For many years, starting in high school, I considered myself a Christian. Now, I can't say that anymore. I have issues what with is generally called Christianity. Aside from being a hassle to type, there are some contridictions in this belief that I just cannot accept.
First is its claim of being a monotheistic religion. Christianity is NOT monotheistic. There are 3 seperate entities: the Father (God), the Holy Ghost, the Son (Jesus). Now most sects of Christianity claim that these 3 are all of the same entity. However, this just does not make any sense. If Jesus was in fact God on Earth, why would he exclaim "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" If Jesus was indeed God, this disconnection makes absolutely no sense. Was Jesus talking to himself in the 3rd person with a different identity? Or is it in the 2nd person? Just the thought of that makes my head hurt.
Was Jesus the son of God? I don't think it really matters one way or the other. Nowhere does it say that people are supposed to worship Christ. Jesus considered himself a teacher, and nothing more. It doesn't take a Christ-worshipper to learn lessons of morality from his parables.
My biggest gripe with Christianity is the concept of hell, and that non-believers will go there despite what kind of life they led. A true Christian believes that people such as Ghandi, who lived amazingly wholesome and self-sacrificing lives will go to hell because they rejected Christianity. How can God be an infinitely forgiving entity, yet condemn people on a matter of semantics? Does not a life of serving the good of mankind count for anything? Or is it all about getting some water sprinkled on your head, and eating some bread and wine?
I reject it mostly because I believe that God truely is a forgiving presence. One who appreciates people's struggles, abd how they handle things. Am I going ot be sent to hellfire and damnation for all of eternity because I've spent my life searching for the answers instead of accepting them in a convenient, bite-sized package from somebody else who was handed those same "answers" ? I think not. If I'm going one way or the other, it's going to be based on my own merit. I'd rather burn in hell due to my own failures than go to paradise on somebody else's dime.