A conversion story [with happy ending]
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Notice the words in bold.
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SECTION: Saturday Special Report
LENGTH: 283 words
HEADLINE: Parents upset at first but came around
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THERE were quarrels, recriminations and curfews. His parents slashed his allowance and banned him from going to church. He resorted to sneaking out from home.
'I felt persecuted,' recalls Mr Tay Swee Kwek, now 22.
The tension began at age 14 when the Victoria Secondary schoolboy began attending the Shekinah Assembly of God, a charismatic Christian church.
His family considered themselves Buddhists and his parents opposed his growing attachment to Christianity.
'Their first worry was I was being cheated and led into something I didn't understand,' he says. 'The second was that I would no longer partake in family traditions.'
They were right about the second. He refused to eat food placed at the ancestral altar and his mother accused him of becoming 'a religious extremist'. But eventually, his parents came round.
He believes they did so because 'Christianity taught me to love my parents, to control my temper and be patient and responsible with them'. And when he was finally baptised last month, it was with their approval.
His first encounter with Christianity was when friends invited him to a 'fun-filled' gathering of youths at a church.
Six months later, he was praying at home when he experienced what he believes was a 'religious experience'. If fun was the bait and spiritual experience the connection, then 'logic' sealed his conversion.
'The more I learnt about religion, the more it seemed to me that Christianity is the most logical religion,' he says.
In the meantime, he aced his O-levels and did well enough in his A-levels to gain a place in the National University of Singapore's medical faculty, where he begins his studies next month.
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ST article lah, wah lao
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So ST want to start flame wars har?
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lol, no lah, it was from a pretty old ST saturday report on religion lah, also got some Buddist and Islam storyOriginally posted by laurence82:So ST want to start flame wars har? -
so desu ne...Originally posted by snk86:lol, no lah, it was from a pretty old ST saturday report on religion lah, also got some Buddist and Islam story -
sorry .. i took those expired ST articles from Lexis Nexis database .. so never say ST .. paiseh.
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Heaven Rejoice!
just hope he will leave the charismatic church as he grows spiritually. -
Shekinah Assembly of God .. never hear b4 .. which denomination one?Originally posted by fandango:Heaven Rejoice!
just hope he will leave the charismatic church as he grows spiritually. -
hey what is wrong with the Charismatic church? the problem with us christians... too much infighting... there is no one denomination that is better than another... we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.Originally posted by fandango:Heaven Rejoice!
just hope he will leave the charismatic church as he grows spiritually.
By this all men shall know that you are my disciples.. that ye love one another... -
Well, at least in this case, no one tried to convert him.
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love the sinner but not his/her sin.Originally posted by breytonhartge:hey what is wrong with the Charismatic church? the problem with us christians... too much infighting... there is no one denomination that is better than another... we are all brothers and sisters in Christ.
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you have not answered my question? What is wrong with the Charismatic Church?Originally posted by fandango:love the sinner but not his/her sin.
What may work for you may not work for someone else, our God is a wonderful God... and allows for our unique personalities. Isn't that amazing?
What you just said imples that the Charismatic church is full of sinners? and that they are on the wrong path? ... -
zzzzzzzzz it was never wrong to eat the food on the ancestral altars.. It is only food, no more.
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One of the Pastor in a charismatic church in singapore once preached this,Originally posted by breytonhartge:you have not answered my question? What is wrong with the Charismatic Church?
What may work for you may not work for someone else, our God is a wonderful God... and allows for our unique personalities. Isn't that amazing?
What you just said imples that the Charismatic church is full of sinners? and that they are on the wrong path? ...
"Luke 23:43 says 'And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise.'"
I looked into my bible and it says:
Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
If you don't see any difference here, i dont think i should explain. -
Your biasedness based on one person? Nuff said! Could if be your misinterpreted what he said? The same thing said 10 times could come across 10 different ways... did you ever check back with the person to clarify? That is why we all have the same WORD of God... we all read from the same bible and we need the Holy Spirit to teach us all things.Originally posted by fandango:One of the Pastor in a charismatic church in singapore once preached this,
"Luke 23:43 says 'And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise.'"
I looked into my bible and it says:
Luke 23:43 "And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
If you don't see any difference here, i dont think i should explain.
John 14:26 (New King James Version)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Methinks you must be the perfect christian... let him who has NO sin cast the first stone... instead of trying to find fault with the different denominations of Christianity, we should support each other. If the person here has been led by God to that particular church, then so be it. Like I said before, what may work for you may not work for someone else. God allows for our uniqueness... so should we.
I think you are nitpicking... maybe it is the way you heard it? Now if the message of the verse has been warped, then it is something else all together. Don't be so quick to point out others faults, you may have some of your own... as you have rightly said in another thread, all have fallen short, this includes you, me and every other human being... so where is your grace? -
I have never ever said i was a perfect christian. I have never ever said i hate the people that goes to charismatic churches. There is a saying that goes:
"Dui(4) Shi(4) Bu(2) Dui(4) Ren(2)"
"Againt the Issue, not Against the Person"
If you cannot see what i am trying to get in my previous post then i will not carry on. -
issit ? i tot christians cannot eat ?Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:zzzzzzzzz it was never wrong to eat the food on the ancestral altars.. It is only food, no more. -
to be blunt here .. why cannot eat food placed in front of a piece of wood?Originally posted by crazy monkey:issit ? i tot christians cannot eat ? -
thou shalt not spamOriginally posted by fandango:I have never ever said i was a perfect christian. I have never ever said i hate the people that goes to charismatic churches. There is a saying that goes:
"Dui(4) Shi(4) Bu(2) Dui(4) Ren(2)"
"Againt the Issue, not Against the Person"
If you cannot see what i am trying to get in my previous post then i will not carry on.
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boom.
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Originally posted by Icemoon:
why cannot eat ? issit mention in bible say certain food cannot eat ?
The tension began at age 14 when the Victoria Secondary schoolboy began attending the Shekinah Assembly of God, a charismatic Christian church.
His family considered themselves Buddhists and his parents opposed his growing attachment to Christianity.
'Their first worry was I was being cheated and led into something I didn't understand,' he says. 'The second was that I would no longer partake in family traditions.'
They were right about the second. He refused to eat food placed at the ancestral altar and his mother accused him of becoming 'a religious extremist'. But eventually, his parents came round.
He believes they did so because 'Christianity taught me to love my parents, to control my temper and be patient and responsible with them'. And when he was finally baptised last month, it was with their approval.
His first encounter with Christianity was when friends invited him to a 'fun-filled' gathering of youths at a church.
Six months later, he was praying at home when he experienced what he believes was a 'religious experience'. If fun was the bait and spiritual experience the connection, then 'logic' sealed his conversion.
'The more I learnt about religion, the more it seemed to me that Christianity is the most logical religion,' he says.
In the meantime, he aced his O-levels and did well enough in his A-levels to gain a place in the National University of Singapore's medical faculty, where he begins his studies next month.
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LOAD-DATE: July 15, 2005 [/b] -
again, the issue stems from persons, not the denomination, namely, yourself and the pastor.Originally posted by fandango:I have never ever said i was a perfect christian. I have never ever said i hate the people that goes to charismatic churches. There is a saying that goes:
"Dui(4) Shi(4) Bu(2) Dui(4) Ren(2)"
"Againt the Issue, not Against the Person"
If you cannot see what i am trying to get in my previous post then i will not carry on.
but go back and see what you posted... you hope that the person will move away from the Chraismatic church... now how is that dui shi bu dui ren? You are implying form your viewpoint that there is something wrong with the charismatic church, you have just set yourself up against a whole movement... btw, what do you know about the charismatic movement? Like I have said so many times before, we are all diffent and if you cannot accept that, then I think you need to go and have a rethink.
Its like me saying the methodists or the anglicans have got issues...comprende? FYI, i go to wesley and the rock... so there. Like I have stressed so many times, we as brothers and sisters in Christ should support one another... not tear each other down.
What is your issue anyway? You only quote one incident, that could have been a typo if it was put up on screen, it could have been an honest mistake. You never mentioned whether you clarified the situation or not, if you have not, then maybe you were jumping to conclusions? -
in the bible .. God sort of "forced" Peter to eat those so "unclean food" .. wahahah .. I let others elaborate.Originally posted by crazy monkey:why cannot eat ? issit mention in bible say certain food cannot eat ? -
so why the food cannot eat ?
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?? odd