Hurricane Katrina from a Christian perspective
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how abt katrina from a muslim view? buddhist view? aethist view? or from a scientific view? -
I don't really belive that Hurricane Katrina was the judgement of God....i feel that what the write all said could be a biased view....now if u were God and you had to punish your people for doing bad...do you think it is right to also destroy those who are innocent too? Although i am not a christian myself, I belive that God would not kill those who are innocent
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Muslim says it's USA retribution for Iraq.Originally posted by RaTtY81:
how abt katrina from a muslim view? buddhist view? aethist view? or from a scientific view?
Buddhist attribute to USA's bad karma.
Aethist says it because of Greenhouse Effect and the hole above south pole.
Scientific view is It's Hurricane Season! -
By preaching that Jesus is the only way and those who believes in Him will have eternal life already piss them off.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Point I am trying to make is that there are too many claims about events happening and the attempt to link everything to the end times.
EVERYTHING LEADS TO THE END TIMES - period.
By stating the obvious either make the writer an extreme zealot or a loon. By looking at reactions generated by such articles, one can conclude that such articles p-isses off lots of people, so what good does it do, especially in this faceless, nameless forum where atheist wants nothing but to have a go at us. -
u all always find a reason for everything
to justify yr believe
if u need to justify it shows u have doubts
explain yr way why innocent children suffered
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hey we are cool man... I'll just let you ramble...Originally posted by Chin Eng:Point I am trying to make is that there are too many claims about events happening and the attempt to link everything to the end times.
EVERYTHING LEADS TO THE END TIMES - period.
By stating the obvious either make the writer an extreme zealot or a loon. By looking at reactions generated by such articles, one can conclude that such articles p-isses off lots of people, so what good does it do, especially in this faceless, nameless forum where atheist wants nothing but to have a go at us.
My issue about spiritualise/demonising a movie is NOT about teaching values or explaining the rights/wrongs in the content. I'd fully agree with you that nothing everything is beneficial, but to, say, look for satanism in Harry Potter where the entire writing is more comical and fictional that real sorcery is a sheer waste of time. On the same note, I have found that HP books contain lots of Christian imagery, but that's another story altogether.
Don't get me wrong, like always, I have no bone to pick with you. Just that I've seen/read too many of such claims and I don't see such articles helping in any way.
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Originally posted by breytonhartge:I don't want to give an account of what I have done for God here... we are also commanded to keep the details of our giving, which will include the works we have done for God in secret.... otherwise you will get the praise of man and loose God's reward, which is more important to me...
You might have done selected quotation of the scripture again? It is both sided.
It is also written in the epistles that to give accounts of good works, of testimony that glorifies, proclaiming of good works of God onto fellow brethrens. To urge, edify, strengthen, exhort, encourage, to build the fellow believers.
I respect your reservation on giving an account, however, consider that if your testimony might have a greater purpose for the body of church.
How will the praise of man would have cause God to withdraw His rewards from you? It all depends what you're looking at.
If you're right...then i think D.L Moody, Charles Finney, Smith Wigglesworth, Thomas Aquinas, Jim Elliot, A.W Tozer, Tommy Barnett, Billy Graham would have lost their rewards?
Which is more important? Well it's your call.
The Great Commandment and the Great Commission are one and the same.. because even if you lean onto the Great Commandment, which is to Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind and strength and to love your neighbour as yourself, you will fulfill the Great commission. That said, Jesus did not give us a choice... He said go... not maybe go or if you want to go... He said Go and make disciples of all the nations...baptising them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit...
Like i've stated in the previous post.
The Original(emphasis) blueprint of men is the Great commandment.
It is not the same. But it works hand in hand.
Innate nature of a Christian/men is to worship, not spreading the good news - Great Commission.
Thru the Great commandment, the complusion to act on Great commission is effective.
Acting upon the Great commission is one of the prove for the Love for God, hence fulfilment of the greatest commandment.
True. Jesus did not give a choice since it's a commandment(!).
Then maybe you may want to sound the catholics out?
I know the tribulation started years ago, but the intensity of this tribulation has increased exponentially over the last couple of years. More than ever before, there are natural disasters, the earthquakes in turkey and taiwan, the Tsunami in indonesia, etc...
When I say we, I refer the the masses who do not believe... non-christians always ask for a sign... God is giving us a sign... we as Christians should be more aware of these things and not just discount them as natural occurances.. who created the earth? Who controls the weather? God does. He will use all things to accomplish His will, be it for favour or judgement.
More importantly, do you think those occurances are of God's judgement or favour?
Do you think that God changes? Just like in the old testament times, He detests sin. Do you think He would think any different today? Sin is sin and God cannot stand sin.
Your theory of Sin is somewhat loopsided. Sin is everywhere, Grace is abounds.
Does it mean that certain states of America have less sin, God will protect the state from harm? Likewise, i support what you've claimed - sin is sin. And that God is indifferent from any time and dispensation.
So could you explain - Are every single person who died in the tsunami and hurricane hardcore sinners and beyod redemption?
We need to look into the works of Grace and Mercy(characters of God) before we conclude that it is the judgement of God.
Like what others have posted.
Men might have been to quick to judge these incidents.
I am saying that as Christians we cannot just be idle... when I quoted those verses, I mean that we should be vigilant and always vigilant, don't let satan lull you into a false sense of security by thinking that we don't know when Jesus is coming again, we have to live each day as though Jesus would be coming back and soon...
I suppose all believers who truly have read the bible and stayed on with it, does have the right sense to understand that they have to be vigilant and watchful.
By saying 'we have to live each day as though Jesus would be coming back and soon....'
What would a ideal life for a christian to live by each day?
Does it have to be seen by men of their deeds to prove that they are ready for the second coming?
What quantifies vigilance? Of readiness?
The purpose of such incidents(disasters and diseases) - if was said by the article(unknown) you've posted.
Then state repentance would have effected. Since if it is inspired by the spirit.
We will see the result soon....hope you'll stick with me in this case.
According to the Jewish calendar, it is the year 5766, that is we are now in the 6th millenium, and Jesus is supposed to come back in the seventh millenium... so if the Jewish calendar is correct, we have another 234 years to go at most... if it is wrong... then we have less time than that!
Since it has been written that you won't know when and how Christ will return. Why look into the Jewish calendar? -
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You might have done selected quotation of the scripture again? It is both sided.
It is also written in the epistles that to give accounts of good works, of testimony that glorifies, proclaiming of good works of God onto fellow brethrens. To urge, edify, strengthen, exhort, encourage, to build the fellow believers.
I respect your reservation on giving an account, however, consider that if your testimony might have a greater purpose for the body of church.
How will the praise of man would have cause God to withdraw His rewards from you? It all depends what you're looking at.
If you're right...then i think D.L Moody, Charles Finney, Smith Wigglesworth, Thomas Aquinas, Jim Elliot, A.W Tozer, Tommy Barnett, Billy Graham would have lost their rewards?
Which is more important? Well it's your call.
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Like i've stated in the previous post.
The Original(emphasis) blueprint of men is the Great commandment.
It is not the same. But it works hand in hand.
Innate nature of a Christian/men is to worship, not spreading the good news - Great Commission.
Thru the Great commandment, the complusion to act on Great commission is effective.
Acting upon the Great commission is one of the prove for the Love for God, hence fulfilment of the greatest commandment.
True. Jesus did not give a choice since it's a commandment(!).
Then maybe you may want to sound the catholics out?
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More importantly, do you think those occurances are of God's judgement or favour?
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Your theory of Sin is somewhat loopsided. Sin is everywhere, Grace is abounds.
Does it mean that certain states of America have less sin, God will protect the state from harm? Likewise, i support what you've claimed - sin is sin. And that God is indifferent from any time and dispensation.
So could you explain - Are every single person who died in the tsunami and hurricane hardcore sinners and beyod redemption?
We need to look into the works of Grace and Mercy(characters of God) before we conclude that it is the judgement of God.
Like what others have posted.
Men might have been to quick to judge these incidents.
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I suppose all believers who truly have read the bible and stayed on with it, does have the right sense to understand that they have to be vigilant and watchful.
By saying 'we have to live each day as though Jesus would be coming back and soon....'
What would a ideal life for a christian to live by each day?
Does it have to be seen by men of their deeds to prove that they are ready for the second coming?
What quantifies vigilance? Of readiness?
The purpose of such incidents(disasters and diseases) - if was said by the article(unknown) you've posted.
Then state repentance would have effected. Since if it is inspired by the spirit.
We will see the result soon....hope you'll stick with me in this case.
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Since it has been written that you won't know when and how Christ will return. Why look into the Jewish calendar? -
Yup, true, but EH may not be the right vehicle for such issues. As you may have personally experience, emotions, tones and intentions get all twisted up by readers who already have a preconceived opinion of what we are. Adding fuel into the fire does not help anyone or anything.Originally posted by happyharvest:By preaching that Jesus is the only way and those who believes in Him will have eternal life already piss them off. -
Actually if they see this a Christian thread and if they feel uncomfortable with Christianity, they have the responsiblity to not enter this forum. In other Christian forums, they also experience the same thing but their moderators are effective and have more power to moderate....Originally posted by Chin Eng:Yup, true, but EH may not be the right vehicle for such issues. As you may have personally experience, emotions, tones and intentions get all twisted up by readers who already have a preconceived opinion of what we are. Adding fuel into the fire does not help anyone or anything.
We, as a responsible Christian should talk Christian thingy within EH. And non-christian, as a responsible homo sapien (sp?) should not come in just to attack Christian belief. But then, dunno for wat reason, christian stuffs and religion stuffs always will get into other forums.
Err... IYO, then EH should be a place for wat? I mean it is they who start challenging our belief, so should we defend it or at least answer them?
Okay lar, I'm an inexperience lad, give advise if I get it wrong.
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no surprise, star gazing was also considered satanic. LMFAOOriginally posted by kopiosatu:the teletubbies were said to be satanic by christian extremists.
it doesn't matter what religion you are in, as long as you're an extremist, you're as good as a crook. -
The other time there was a christian who told me that Yoga is satanic.
I just did the
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Originally posted by M©+square:The other time there was a christian who told me that Yoga is satanic.
I just did the -
On the issue of the Great Commandment and The Great Commission, we will agree to disagree? In regards to the Catholics, I think that they have done a lot already, Mother Theresa? the Jesuit priests etc. They have followed the Great Commandment... but it may not be so obvious in Singapore.Originally posted by M©+square:1
You might have done selected quotation of the scripture again? It is both sided.
It is also written in the epistles that to give accounts of good works, of testimony that glorifies, proclaiming of good works of God onto fellow brethrens. To urge, edify, strengthen, exhort, encourage, to build the fellow believers.
I respect your reservation on giving an account, however, consider that if your testimony might have a greater purpose for the body of church.
How will the praise of man would have cause God to withdraw His rewards from you? It all depends what you're looking at.
If you're right...then i think D.L Moody, Charles Finney, Smith Wigglesworth, Thomas Aquinas, Jim Elliot, A.W Tozer, Tommy Barnett, Billy Graham would have lost their rewards?
Which is more important? Well it's your call.
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Like i've stated in the previous post.
The Original(emphasis) blueprint of men is the Great commandment.
It is not the same. But it works hand in hand.
Innate nature of a Christian/men is to worship, not spreading the good news - Great Commission.
Thru the Great commandment, the complusion to act on Great commission is effective.
Acting upon the Great commission is one of the prove for the Love for God, hence fulfilment of the greatest commandment.
True. Jesus did not give a choice since it's a commandment(!).
Then maybe you may want to sound the catholics out?
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More importantly, do you think those occurances are of God's judgement or favour?
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Your theory of Sin is somewhat loopsided. Sin is everywhere, Grace is abounds.
Does it mean that certain states of America have less sin, God will protect the state from harm? Likewise, i support what you've claimed - sin is sin. And that God is indifferent from any time and dispensation.
So could you explain - Are every single person who died in the tsunami and hurricane hardcore sinners and beyod redemption?
We need to look into the works of Grace and Mercy(characters of God) before we conclude that it is the judgement of God.
Like what others have posted.
Men might have been to quick to judge these incidents.
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I suppose all believers who truly have read the bible and stayed on with it, does have the right sense to understand that they have to be vigilant and watchful.
By saying 'we have to live each day as though Jesus would be coming back and soon....'
What would a ideal life for a christian to live by each day?
Does it have to be seen by men of their deeds to prove that they are ready for the second coming?
What quantifies vigilance? Of readiness?
The purpose of such incidents(disasters and diseases) - if was said by the article(unknown) you've posted.
Then state repentance would have effected. Since if it is inspired by the spirit.
We will see the result soon....hope you'll stick with me in this case.
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Since it has been written that you won't know when and how Christ will return. Why look into the Jewish calendar?
My deeds speak for themselves, God knows what I am doing for His kingdom... He sees. That is enough. If someday I become know for what I do then so be it, if not, then so be it as well. God knows and I know and that is enough.
If you refer back to the article, the writer was saying that the reason why God chose New Orleans is because there is a great concentration of sin there. I do not think that my theory is lopsided as even in the bible, God specifically targeted certain cities in the OT... eg sodom and gomorrah... the city of nineveh etc.
If you want to look to the Grace and Mercy of God, then we have been getting a lot of it already... but you have to remember also that God is the same God whether in the NT or OT... so He is also a God of Judgement.
Personally, I think that these natural disasters which have been increasing in intensity and ferocity are warning signs for all of us. God used similar warning signs in the OT as well.
Why I say in a state of readiness, I mean that one should always live each day as though it may be your last, too often and too many of us take life for granted. We often forget about God during the course of the week and only focus on Him briefly on Sundays... I know I was like that too.. but then if you read Matt 6:24-33... Seek ye first the Kingdom of God... go meditate on that, it spoke to me and I am sure it will speak to you.
We look at the Jewish calendar because they are God's children and God's chosen race, God in the past had revealed everything to them. It is only logical that God would follow this. -
smurfs also rite ?Originally posted by kopiosatu:the teletubbies were said to be satanic by christian extremists.
it doesn't matter what religion you are in, as long as you're an extremist, you're as good as a crook.
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Read the bible...Originally posted by Inflammable:u all always find a reason for everything
to justify yr believe
if u need to justify it shows u have doubts
explain yr way why innocent children suffered
explain!!!!
Exodus 34:7 (New King James Version)
7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.”
As to why the innocents are killed, please read verse 1 and 2 of Isaiah 57.
Isaiah 57
IsraelÂ’s Futile Idolatry
1 The righteous perishes,
And no man takes it to heart;
Merciful men are taken away,
While no one considers
That the righteous is taken away from evil.
2 He shall enter into peace;
They shall rest in their beds,
Each one walking in his uprightness.
3 “ But come here,
You sons of the sorceress,
You offspring of the adulterer and the harlot!
4 Whom do you ridicule?
Against whom do you make a wide mouth
And stick out the tongue?
Are you not children of transgression,
Offspring of falsehood,
5 Inflaming yourselves with gods under every green tree,
Slaying the children in the valleys,
Under the clefts of the rocks?
6 Among the smooth stones of the stream
Is your portion;
They, they, are your lot!
Even to them you have poured a drink offering,
You have offered a grain offering.
Should I receive comfort in these?
7 “ On a lofty and high mountain
You have set your bed;
Even there you went up
To offer sacrifice.
8 Also behind the doors and their posts
You have set up your remembrance;
For you have uncovered yourself to those other than Me,
And have gone up to them;
You have enlarged your bed
And made a covenant with them;
You have loved their bed,
Where you saw their nudity.[a]
9 You went to the king with ointment,
And increased your perfumes;
You sent your messengers far off,
And even descended to Sheol.
10 You are wearied in the length of your way;
Yetyou did not say, ‘There is no hope.’
You have found the life of your hand;
Therefore you were not grieved.
11 “ And of whom have you been afraid, or feared,
That you have lied
And not remembered Me,
Nor taken it to your heart?
Is it not because I have held My peace from of old
That you do not fear Me?
12 I will declare your righteousness
And your works,
For they will not profit you.
13 When you cry out,
Let your collection of idols deliver you.
But the wind will carry them all away,
A breath will take them.
But he who puts his trust in Me shall possess the land,
And shall inherit My holy mountain.”
Healing for the Backslider
14 And one shall say,
“ Heap it up! Heap it up!
Prepare the way,
Take the stumbling block out of the way of My people.”
15 For thus says the High and Lofty One
Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:
“ I dwell in the high and holy place,
With him who has a contrite and humble spirit,
To revive the spirit of the humble,
And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.
16 For I will not contend forever,
Nor will I always be angry;
For the spirit would fail before Me,
And the souls which I have made.
17 For the iniquity of his covetousness
I was angry and struck him;
I hid and was angry,
And he went on backsliding in the way of his heart.
18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him;
I will also lead him,
And restore comforts to him
And to his mourners.
19 “ I create the fruit of the lips:
Peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who is near,”
Says the LORD,
“ And I will heal him.”
20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea,
When it cannot rest,
Whose waters cast up mire and dirt.
21 “ There is no peace,”
Says my God, “for the wicked.” -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:On the issue of the Great Commandment and The Great Commission, we will agree to disagree? In regards to the Catholics, I think that they have done a lot already, Mother Theresa? the Jesuit priests etc. They have followed the Great Commandment... but it may not be so obvious in Singapore.
Mother Teresa and Jesuit priest? I don't quite understand how come the two characters were mentioned for.
Since we are discussing about the duties of a believer of the scriptures. I suppose you understood that i'm talking about personal duties and obedience.
What has Mother Teresa and Jesuit priest got to do with the present believers?
I might also bring Martin Luther King and Billy Graham to attention? - Christians have done alot already?
The great commission is for every believers to obey, so i don't get what you mean by 'I think that they have done a lot already, Mother Theresa? the Jesuit priests etc.'
My deeds speak for themselves, God knows what I am doing for His kingdom... He sees. That is enough. If someday I become know for what I do then so be it, if not, then so be it as well. God knows and I know and that is enough.
Like in the last post. It is your call.
If you refer back to the article, the writer was saying that the reason why God chose New Orleans is because there is a great concentration of sin there. I do not think that my theory is lopsided as even in the bible, God specifically targeted certain cities in the OT... eg sodom and gomorrah... the city of nineveh etc.
I don't think my question was answered.
What quantifies the saturation of sins in New Orleans?
Those who were killed in Katrina - were people who are beyond redemption?
If you want to look to the Grace and Mercy of God, then we have been getting a lot of it already... but you have to remember also that God is the same God whether in the NT or OT... so He is also a God of Judgement.
Personally, I think that these natural disasters which have been increasing in intensity and ferocity are warning signs for all of us. God used similar warning signs in the OT as well.
Thru several cross discussion with you. I might conclude that you consider all disasters and diseases as the judgement of God? And those cities which was inflicted by the mentioned were sinful cities?
Since you haven't answered my initial question, please make it clear?
Are those(disasters and diseases) just warning signs?
Are those for certain purpose?
Are those judgements of God?
Are those from God?
Why I say in a state of readiness, I mean that one should always live each day as though it may be your last, too often and too many of us take life for granted. We often forget about God during the course of the week and only focus on Him briefly on Sundays... I know I was like that too.. but then if you read Matt 6:24-33... Seek ye first the Kingdom of God... go meditate on that, it spoke to me and I am sure it will speak to you.
Thank you for your advice. However you may have been generalising and underestimated Christians who are truly seeking God with their hearts.
Maybe what you might have seen isn't optimistic.
On the topic of Seeking the Kingdom of God.
I prefer to keep it aside. Becos i believe that those who stood by this verse will not even spend their time in this forum.
Those who truly understood the meaning of Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God.
I hope the verse will speak more into you
We look at the Jewish calendar because they are God's children and God's chosen race, God in the past had revealed everything to them. It is only logical that God would follow this.
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Therotically you are quite right.Originally posted by happyharvest:Err... IYO, then EH should be a place for wat? I mean it is they who start challenging our belief, so should we defend it or at least answer them?
Okay lar, I'm an inexperience lad, give advise if I get it wrong.
Regards
I have a thing about "Christian" articles that makes all kinds of claims. In this case, the article posted contained dubious claims about the withdrawal of the Jews in Gaza, which to me is ludicrious at best. Here is what I mean by "spiritualizing" the events. I can always write and quote some verses on the "evil of sin on the island of Bali" but what does that achieve, aside from sounding extremely inflammatory to non-Christians?
I am in full agreement about defending or giving answers, but haven't you experience that because this is a faceless and nameless forum, most of the times it is useless? -
As for "Christian" articles that makes all kinds of claims, I juz read it(if got time), never really believe it fully. TYhat article, I din even read it lar. Actually for the "spiritualizing" the events is juz speculating lo. As long as we know our scipture well, we will be able to recognise what is right teachings and what is wrong teachings lor. The bible tells us to test everything and hold on to the good and it also teaches us how to recognise wat is from God and what is not lo. So it is important to have know your scripture well.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Therotically you are quite right.
I have a thing about "Christian" articles that makes all kinds of claims. In this case, the article posted contained dubious claims about the withdrawal of the Jews in Gaza, which to me is ludicrious at best. Here is what I mean by "spiritualizing" the events. I can always write and quote some verses on the "evil of sin on the island of Bali" but what does that achieve, aside from sounding extremely inflammatory to non-Christians?
I am in full agreement about defending or giving answers, but haven't you experience that because this is a faceless and nameless forum, most of the times it is useless?
Err.... becos it is faceless and nameless, how you know some of them has not get into something? We plant God seeds and hopefully it will grow by the Holy Spirit guidance. Some of the people do not like to talk face to face, they like privacy. So a nameless and faceless is necessary to reach out to such people. I dun think it is useless. only that person knows. Those non-christians who talk a lot here are obviously coming here to challenge us. Hopefully we plant some seeds in other forumer ........ -
I am not at all saying that should not discuss, defend and clarify. Note that I have never ever said that we ignore all the queries that come, especially the genuine ones. I have also never said that we should not share our PERSONAL experiences. All the more, I say we should share what we have experience as much as possible. Our sharing should not be: I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend, rather, it should I felt the Lord today, or the Lord spoke to me in this way.
My entire argument is specifically to just ONE article, mirroring similar articles that I have come across, one that makes dubious claims. That is all.
You wrote: "The bible tells us to test everything and hold on to the good and it also teaches us how to recognise wat is from God and what is not lo. So it is important to have know your scripture well."
Superficially, this is a very grand statement, but the truth is: why is it that there are cults and churches with strange agendas. It is precisely people choose to decide for themselves what is good and what is not. I am sure that there are folks at CHC who will state that they have tested and found the church to be good too, any many of these will back up their beliefs with scripture as well. But does that prove anything? -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Woah!!!!
I am not at all saying that should not discuss, defend and clarify. Note that I have never ever said that we ignore all the queries that come, especially the genuine ones. I have also never said that we should not share our PERSONAL experiences. All the more, I say we should share what we have experience as much as possible. Our sharing should not be: I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend, rather, it should I felt the Lord today, or the Lord spoke to me in this way.
[b]My entire argument is specifically to just ONE article, mirroring similar articles that I have come across, one that makes dubious claims. That is all.
You wrote: "The bible tells us to test everything and hold on to the good and it also teaches us how to recognise wat is from God and what is not lo. So it is important to have know your scripture well."
Superficially, this is a very grand statement, but the truth is: why is it that there are cults and churches with strange agendas. It is precisely people choose to decide for themselves what is good and what is not. I am sure that there are folks at CHC who will state that they have tested and found the church to be good too, any many of these will back up their beliefs with scripture as well. But does that prove anything?[/b]
I guess even if i'm trying to say this for ten years. No one would heed...
But Uncle Chin Engz chu mah...confirm got the water.
Well Done uncle!!! Keep it up.
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Originally posted by Chin Eng:
oic, I think I would rather share it elsewhere. Not here. ops, I have done it here a few times in the past.
I am not at all saying that should not discuss, defend and clarify. Note that I have never ever said that we ignore all the queries that come, especially the genuine ones. I have also never said that we should not share our PERSONAL experiences. All the more, I say we should share what we have experience as much as possible. Our sharing should not be: I heard it from a friend of a friend of a friend, rather, it should I felt the Lord today, or the Lord spoke to me in this way.
[b]My entire argument is specifically to just ONE article, mirroring similar articles that I have come across, one that makes dubious claims. That is all.
You wrote: "The bible tells us to test everything and hold on to the good and it also teaches us how to recognise wat is from God and what is not lo. So it is important to have know your scripture well."
Superficially, this is a very grand statement, but the truth is: why is it that there are cults and churches with strange agendas. It is precisely people choose to decide for themselves what is good and what is not. I am sure that there are folks at CHC who will state that they have tested and found the church to be good too, any many of these will back up their beliefs with scripture as well. But does that prove anything?[/b]
You set an example here lar, okay??
Oooo.... we should focus on that article argument thingy and not deviate from other thing.... ok..get it...
How do you decide what the Lord has spoken to you and what is not? How do we recognise that is the correct God's voice? People can also misinterpret anything as God's voice. People may argue that please don't link everything to God.
There are many ways as in people want to interpret the scripture. And there are also many reasons why they want to interpret it that way. If they have a motive in interpreting it in this way, God will know. There is no judge to tell us what is right and wrong interpretations, right now. But there is one thing as commonly accepted interpretations by some groups. Be it right or wrong, it is between them and God lo.
Okay lar, never expect to have a debate with you lar. Lao jiao Vs newbie ...... -
First and foremost, let me state that my opinions remain specifically my own. It does not represent all Christians and neither does it represent my church. I have seen too many articles circulated by well-meaning Christians trying to show the works of the Lord, or testimonies of Christians, while some are true, some are simply stupid or even false. That being the case, what is the difference between the boy who cried wolf? Here's where I mean when I said, that sometimes we kill our own credibility in our zeal to spread the good word.Originally posted by happyharvest:oic, I think I would rather share it elsewhere. Not here. ops, I have done it here a few times in the past. You set an example here lar, okay??
Oooo.... we should focus on that article argument thingy and not deviate from other thing.... ok..get it...
This to me, is a very personal issue. I personally have almost never make a statement like: the lord has spoken to me. (I did it once and kinda of regretted it). I have heard my own church members making such declarations, but for most parts, it seems to be their own voice talking. Of course, I would not openly confront someone over this, at least this person has the gumption to state that it is HIS OWN experience, not someone elses.
How do you decide what the Lord has spoken to you and what is not? How do we recognise that is the correct God's voice? People can also misinterpret it as God's voice. People may argue that please don't link everything to God.
What do you do when you choke of food? Declare that God is no happy with your love for buffet?
Personal interpretation can go haywire, which is why I do not do that. In reading any passage, and I need further clarification I would read the entire chapter, or context. I would also subsequently consult the various concordances and cross reference any thing that I might be able to find. Most Bible scholars do not deviate greatly in their interpretative writing, which also take into consideration of the context of any passage.
There are many ways as in people want to interpret the scripture in that way. If they have a motive in interpreting it in this way, God will know. There is no judge to tell us what is right and wrong interpretations, right now. But there is one thing as commonly accepted interpretations by some groups. Be it right or wrong, it is between them and God lo.
Lao jiao can be wrong also.
Okay lar, never expect to have a debate with you lar. Lao jiao Vs newbie ......
Got to go... got a plane to catch.... -
We shall stop our discussion/debate/argument here. I don't want to continue the discussion/debate/argument juz to prove who is right and who is wrong. Pointless. If God is faithful, He will tell us in some ways.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Lao jiao can be wrong also.
Got to go... got a plane to catch....
See you uncle Chin eng. Have a safe trip. God bless you. -
Originally posted by Chin Eng:
Sorry... I re-read and saw something. Just some questions la. Can a person experience what other people experience becos he/she has first-hand contact with that person? If that person experience it and trust in the sharer, wouldn't he/she be allow to share it to other people becos he is convicted it is true? Just listen to other people testimony/witness -- would you believe them? Or just treat it as a story-telling time? I dunno how most other people do.
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This to me, is a very personal issue. I personally have almost never make a statement like: the lord has spoken to me. (I did it once and kinda of regretted it). I have heard my own church members making such declarations, but for most parts, it seems to be their own voice talking. Of course, I would not openly confront someone over this, at least this person has the gumption to state that it is HIS OWN experience, not someone elses.
What do you do when you choke of food? Declare that God is no happy with your love for buffet?[b]
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