Heads up Christians! Jesus is coming very very soon now! :)
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I suppose you're not including me in their circle.Originally posted by shade343:They are your good brother!
I'm don't belong to any circle anyway.
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Its more urgent now we stamp out this lot of people. The Muslims did not do so, and its too late for them to speak out against the extremists who befoul the name of their faith.Originally posted by M©+square:Tsk tsk....JTB and Brey....
Seen too many of their kind.
With the increasing angst against Christians, lets not just say evangelism in secular schools, but in this sgforums, as one of them has made the observation, its even more urgent we stop these people from taking advantages of disasters, which befall on the good and evil alike. -
Funny....What happens when you kill out of Love?Originally posted by laurence82:Its more urgent now we stamp out this lot of people. The Muslims did not do so, and its too late for them to speak out against the extremists who befoul the name of their faith.
With the increasing angst against Christians, lets not just say evangelism in secular schools, but in this sgforums, as one of them has made the observation, its even more urgent we stop these people from taking advantages of disasters, which befall on the good and evil alike. -
Thats a nice way of saying, i am engaged in voyeurism, but the offical term is observation.Originally posted by shade343:Funny....What happens when you kill out of Love? -
Originally posted by The Twins:
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Neither do I... I belong to Jesus!Originally posted by M©+square:I suppose you're not including me in their circle.
I'm don't belong to any circle anyway.
Cheers
Hey MC... what is wrong with supporting JTB? The end times are near... i think we have had this discussion in the Hurricane Katrina thread... no need to get so angst about things... read and judge for yourself what you will take in, what you will not.
In the end it is up to the individual... this is a forum, for discussion... being EH and being a Christian forum, I don't see why it is wrong that it is biased towards Christianity. We are all entitled to post our views...and that is what they are... views. No one is obliged to listen. Chill man!
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hey laurence, i just posted the article which i though would make for interesting reading... you don't have to like it. Right? Me thinks you need to Chill a bit as well... we have had discussions on this topic in other threads so I won't go on here...Originally posted by laurence82:Its more urgent now we stamp out this lot of people. The Muslims did not do so, and its too late for them to speak out against the extremists who befoul the name of their faith.
With the increasing angst against Christians, lets not just say evangelism in secular schools, but in this sgforums, as one of them has made the observation, its even more urgent we stop these people from taking advantages of disasters, which befall on the good and evil alike. -
Coming from u, this is a bit freaky, or the sun rises from the west?Originally posted by breytonhartge:Neither do I... I belong to Jesus!
Hey MC... what is wrong with supporting JTB? The end times are near... i think we have had this discussion in the Hurricane Katrina thread... no need to get so angst about things... read and judge for yourself what you will take in, what you will not.
In the end it is up to the individual... this is a forum, for discussion... being EH and being a Christian forum, I don't see why it is wrong that it is biased towards Christianity. We are all entitled to post our views...and that is what they are... views. No one is obliged to listen. Chill man! -
Originally posted by laurence82:Coming from u, this is a bit freaky, or the sun rises from the west?
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Nope! I do have a problem in supporting the current tones of JTB. I am not even going to focus on links with poor credibility (as I'd said, we all mistakes one time or another). I am extremely concern about his claims about being the real JTB. At best I cannot take him seriously, at worst I think he is heretical.Originally posted by breytonhartge:Hey MC... what is wrong with supporting JTB? The end times are near... i think we have had this discussion in the Hurricane Katrina thread... no need to get so angst about things... read and judge for yourself what you will take in, what you will not.
In the end it is up to the individual... this is a forum, for discussion... being EH and being a Christian forum, I don't see why it is wrong that it is biased towards Christianity. We are all entitled to post our views...and that is what they are... views. No one is obliged to listen. Chill man!
In spite of the fact that sometimes I do not agree with comments by some of the more serious Christians, the disagreement is not theological but more with a matter of opinion. With JTB, the issue is more serious. I am sure from the tones and emotions that anyone can detect from his writing, he has gone beyond the level of (what happyharvest has describe) passionate.
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What have I described?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Nope! I do have a problem in supporting the current tones of JTB. I am not even going to focus on links with poor credibility (as I'd said, we all mistakes one time or another). I am extremely concern about his claims about being the real JTB. At best I cannot take him seriously, at worst I think he is heretical.
In spite of the fact that sometimes I do not agree with comments by some of the more serious Christians, the disagreement is not theological but more with a matter of opinion. With JTB, the issue is more serious. I am sure from the tones and emotions that anyone can detect from his writing, he has gone beyond the level of (what happyharvest has describe) passionate.
You are passionate, HH is passionate.... JTB is nuts.
Help me recall leh.
Wah, how come I'm inside the discussions? Has something HH done wrong and not make other forumers happy?
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Originally posted by happyharvest:What have I described? Help me recall leh.
Wah, how come I'm inside the discussions? Has something HH done wrong and not make other forumers happy?
HH is a nice shortform. One more H will be TRIPLE H. no problem lah......just a general comment. relak... bro.
my point is: when we open out our forum page, we read stuff. Sometimes we read things that we don't agree on, but if we are mature enough, we can understand that such things may be matters of opinions. We can choose to query, argue, or ignore.
Where you and Brey (as well as the many serious Christians) are concern, one can tell from the passion you have for the Lord. Hence there is no problem even if there is a disagreement (which, let me add, is very very rare).
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after reading a bit more of his posts, I am inclined to agree with you CE..Originally posted by Chin Eng: no problem lah......just a general comment. relak... bro.
my point is: when we open out our forum page, we read stuff. Sometimes we read things that we don't agree on, but if we are mature enough, we can understand that such things may be matters of opinions. We can choose to query, argue, or ignore.
Where you and Brey (as well as the many serious Christians) are concern, one can tell from the passion you have for the Lord. Hence there is no problem even if there is a disagreement (which, let me add, is very very rare).
In this case with JTB, his motives may be good, but his delivery, analytical skills and language leaves a lot to be desired. -
I agree too. Maybe this are the areas he has to improve on.Originally posted by breytonhartge:after reading a bit more of his posts, I am inclined to agree with you CE..
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I am sorry but pls dont accuse your brother for not evangelising. That's why i said dont judge for only God can judge. I dont preach to ppl. I share the gospel, even with my friends from other religions or atheism & even with relatives. I have been given very hard ground as i am the first in my whole family tree to be converted & i am the first also in my family to be converted. Yes, i have catholic relatives, my uncle & aunt & cousin but they r bankcrupt now, family on verge of divorce, cousin need to borrow money to attend SMU, HDB might repossess flat, auntie on psychiatric treatment & anti gospel, & i think, i think only hah, my uncle has a mistress outside. How real can this get?Originally posted by Chin Eng:Stop kidding yourself in pretending to be martyr! what so difficult and fatal about being John the Baptist in sgforums??? Nobody knows who you are, what you do and where you live... nobody can touch you let alone kill you.
Want to be a more effective witness? and fully understand what difficult is? stop postulating in this identify-free forum.. go out and preach to real people around you, people who know you as a person.
I repeat... stop pretending to be a martyr - you are far from it!
Besides my own problems, i also have family probs. My brother who converted that same yr later than me also now facing probs careerwise. What's worse there's communication breakdown among ourselves sometimes w heated arguments. How real can it get? Do u want me to go out to Africa before u certify me fit for martyrdom or fit for being a Christian? -
Ok i want to state here specifically that IT'S MY VIEW ONLY. IT DOESNT REPRESENT ALL CHRISTIANS BCOS EACH HAVE DIFF VIEWS OF EVANGELISM. & views can change over time & mine did after many rebukes from God. I have tried very hard ground w atheistic, intelligent, articulate frens & cousins. One can never win them on logic alone bcos they always smarter than me. U come up w one argument they come up with better argument or so it seems. U talk abt creationism they tear it down & talk abt evolution. U try to explain scientific principles based on the bible, they say bible is man made & unscientific. So much argument & finally heated shouts & debates. Luckily we try to keep it non personal & not beat each other up bcos still ok frens & cousins. So Christians can be considered very stubborn, dogmatic, narrow minded, holy moly, terroristic, doomsday prophets at least in my case. All sorts of abuse hurled at me. Frens from other religion not better also. U talk your religion they talk theirs, like competition for converts. Now it's even more dangerous bcos they can accuse me of religious intolerance or worse sedition & plotting to overthrow S'pore govt by terrorism or force or subversion etc. I have been compared to a terrorist u know. I think i was a bit extreme last time so tone down a lot. Then come frens who only talk money. Talk religion & they will switch to business like MLM etc & ask whether i m interested to join w/c i did lah but didn't do. I think better leave everything in God's hands & just live everyday like there's no future day. I think dont talk abt it anymore & dont insist cos no use. Closed means closed lah. But i have my own successes & it's all by the Holy Spirit bcos didnt do much talking.Originally posted by shade343:I wonder whats your view of christians trying to convert people of other religious denominations.... -
Good Morning Brother.Originally posted by John The Baptist:I am sorry but pls dont accuse your brother for not evangelising. That's why i said dont judge for only God can judge. I dont preach to ppl. I share the gospel, even with my friends from other religions or atheism & even with relatives. I have been given very hard ground as i am the first in my whole family tree to be converted & i am the first also in my family to be converted. Yes, i have catholic relatives, my uncle & aunt & cousin but they r bankcrupt now, family on verge of divorce, cousin need to borrow money to attend SMU, HDB might repossess flat, auntie on psychiatric treatment & anti gospel, & i think, i think only hah, my uncle has a mistress outside. How real can this get?
Besides my own problems, i also have family probs. My brother who converted that same yr later than me also now facing probs careerwise. What's worse there's communication breakdown among ourselves sometimes w heated arguments. How real can it get? Do u want me to go out to Africa before u certify me fit for martyrdom or fit for being a Christian?
Thank you for toning down your posts. I am glad you are able to share with in this forum, some of your problems.
Allow me to comment on your post:
Your statement: "I dont preach to ppl. I share the gospel" - You know, non-believers do not make this distinction. As far as they are concern preaching and sharing the gospel is the same thing. In this morning's Strait's Times Insight, S8, there is an interesting article on how some Christians are seen to be "forcing" the gospel down the throats of unbelievers. I do believe that this Christians mean well and think that they are fulfilling the great commission as commanded by our Lord, and many of these will continue to do so even when threatened with being sacked. I do think that such fervency is misplaced as there is a right way and there is a wrong.
My advice to you is: if people refuse to listen, don't bother. Didn't Christ command the apostles to "shake the dust of the sandals" if the towns refuse to listen to them. No need to be disheartened.
On the issue of the suffering you've gone through in your family, let me say that while it is true that various people have varying degree of suffering, most important it is how we handle them that matters. I am generally a happy person, because I've decided to be happy. Don't I have problems??? Of course I do. While I am not prepared to share them here, let me say, at least, I have a medical condition that if I don't take care, I will die. Or that I am always in need of money and have very very little savings.
I am also the first in my family to be converted. Many family members followed this path (definitely not because of me but by the grace of God), my own parents remained unsaved. It is very likely that my situation pales when compared to yours, but we are not trying to outdoor each other in terms of suffering, are we? Just that we all suffer, and I repeat, it is how we make it that matters.
You have since apologised for the various recent postings so let's move on. Again, I repeat I am not trying to gun you down. Other forumites have posted links that are extremely helpful (happyharvest comes to mind here, some good links from him sometime back). My issue is: I am totally against Christians who do not check the facts when they say something. Non-Christians are not stupid folks, and if the credibility of our faith is undermined, we'd look extremely foolish.
I'd be happy to chat with you privately, just PM me....
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Dear brother, I definitely cant share w u in public what probs i m going thru but it almost caused me to commit suicide before conversion & many times tried to kill me after that. The details r "horrific" to anybody sane, that's why i appear insane.Originally posted by Chin Eng:Good Morning Brother.
Thank you for toning down your posts. I am glad you are able to share with in this forum, some of your problems.
Allow me to comment on your post:
Your statement: "I dont preach to ppl. I share the gospel" - You know, non-believers do not make this distinction. As far as they are concern preaching and sharing the gospel is the same thing. In this morning's Strait's Times Insight, S8, there is an interesting article on how some Christians are seen to be "forcing" the gospel down the throats of unbelievers. I do believe that this Christians mean well and think that they are fulfilling the great commission as commanded by our Lord, and many of these will continue to do so even when threatened with being sacked. I do think that such fervency is misplaced as there is a right way and there is a wrong.
My advice to you is: if people refuse to listen, don't bother. Didn't Christ command the apostles to "shake the dust of the sandals" if the towns refuse to listen to them. No need to be disheartened.
On the issue of the suffering you've gone through in your family, let me say that while it is true that various people have varying degree of suffering, most important it is how we handle them that matters. I am generally a happy person, because I've decided to be happy. Don't I have problems??? Of course I do. While I am not prepared to share them here, let me say, at least, I have a medical condition that if I don't take care, I will die. Or that I am always in need of money and have very very little savings.
I am also the first in my family to be converted. Many family members followed this path (definitely not because of me but by the grace of God), my own parents remained unsaved. It is very likely that my situation pales when compared to yours, but we are not trying to outdoor each other in terms of suffering, are we? Just that we all suffer, and I repeat, it is how we make it that matters.
You have since apologised for the various recent postings so let's move on. Again, I repeat I am not trying to gun you down. Other forumites have posted links that are extremely helpful (happyharvest comes to mind here, some good links from him sometime back). My issue is: I am totally against Christians who do not check the facts when they say something. Non-Christians are not stupid folks, and if the credibility of our faith is undermined, we'd look extremely foolish.
I'd be happy to chat with you privately, just PM me....
Good cheers.... Left Christ for very long time. That's why appear heretical. Can be considered unconventional bcos of my experience. Almost wanted to be a priest or monk if there r still monasteries ard now. 
If i were catholic, might consider being a priest but i heard very tough w 6 yrs of hard training & many drop out. Anyway, dont agree w catholic doctrines so cannot. I wasn't really shouting in my posts. Just to emphasize what i was really saying. I never went bible college & never went for many conferences altho read some bks. Many things still dont know. Only just beginning to understand the bible. Now no longer logos anymore but slowly rhema. But, u or others might not see what i c bcos of our unique exps. I am sorry for embarassing everyone else w my nonsense but it's not personal. Just putting in what i think. Maybe wrong & of course can change lah. Even pastors dont agree sometimes. Even denominations dont agree sometimes w/c is very sad to me. Yes, one more thing-to my exp, non christians dont just look at theology or doctrines per se. They also look at what we do rather than what we say. But some can be confused like what u said abt preaching vs sharing. Anyway, i might go for deliverance. God bless u. -
Muslim terrorists and xtian extremists diff. lah.Originally posted by laurence82:Its more urgent now we stamp out this lot of people. The Muslims did not do so, and its too late for them to speak out against the extremists who befoul the name of their faith.
The extremists we encounter are trying to MLM their faith. Who will kill your own potential customers one? -
Jesus is coming? Not God?
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erm .. JTB .. can paragraph your post or not? Very hard to read leh. One big chunk see liao very discouraging.
Since you are trying to "share the gospel" .. should pay more attention to presentation right?
anyway it is good to share your problems if you're not too concerned with privacy. I suppose the Christians here will be most glad to pray for you and your family. -
What is MLM?Originally posted by Icemoon:Muslim terrorists and xtian extremists diff. lah.
The extremists we encounter are trying to MLM their faith. Who will kill your own potential customers one? -
multi level marketing?Originally posted by happyharvest:What is MLM? -
Like I always say .. if you believe in total depravity and irresistable grace, then no such problem.Originally posted by Chin Eng:My advice to you is: if people refuse to listen, don't bother. Didn't Christ command the apostles to "shake the dust of the sandals" if the towns refuse to listen to them. No need to be disheartened.
Total depravity - you know why some person just don't listen to the good news. In chinese, we say everyone has "fan4 zui4 hou4 de li3 xing4". You need the Holy Spirit to "touch" you first.
Irresistable grace - you know you're not begging to be heard and begging pple to convert. God is sovereign. There is power in the Spirit.
Now good news becomes cheapskate news, spit upon by many people. It is not supposed to be like that. -
yaOriginally posted by alexkusu:multi level marketing?