Curious - any Buddhist-turned-Christian converts here?
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dunno how true is your statement. I always tot we have books like zan guo ce, dong zhou lie guo zhi around. Not too sure whether they are derived from Shi Ji or not.Originally posted by laurence82:Poor Sima Qian
But luckily, if without him, we wouldnt have records of the period before the Han Dynasty,,, -
When were these books written?Originally posted by Icemoon:dunno how true is your statement. I always tot we have books like zan guo ce, dong zhou lie guo zhi around. Not too sure whether they are derived from Shi Ji or not.
Well, Sima Qian for what i know, was attributed to writing the history of china before han -
discussion is ok .. the pt is does he agree with their line of argument about issues that split the church or not?Originally posted by Honeybunz:I thought my Presbyterian Pastor was crazy enough. He often discussed theology with Catholic Priests and even joined them for the retreats.
While some Protestants might think he's crazy, he's one of the few that gives really indepth sermons during his services.
retreats is ok .. but then he is not allowed to partake in the eucharist .. haha
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It seems that dong zhou lie guo is a work of fiction written during Ming and Qing, whereas Zhan Guo Ce was discovered during the Western Han, apparently we don't know the author.Originally posted by laurence82:When were these books written?
Well, Sima Qian for what i know, was attributed to writing the history of china before han
So question is how much were those works influenced by the Shi Ji, if at all. The Zan Guo Ce could be a pre-han work, in that case it is older than Shi Ji.
By the way, Shi Ji is the first of the Twenty Five Histories of China. It is the official record of history before the Han. -
Shi Ji is written by Sima Qian rite?Originally posted by Icemoon:It seems that dong zhou lie guo is a work of fiction written during Ming and Qing, whereas Zhan Guo Ce was discovered during the Western Han, apparently we don't know the author.
So question is how much were those works influenced by the Shi Ji, if at all. The Zan Guo Ce could be a pre-han work, in that case it is older than Shi Ji.
By the way, Shi Ji is the first of the Twenty Five Histories of China. It is the official record of history before the Han.
Anyway, trying to read up on China history nowadays, its getting more and more ionteresting, thanks to shows like San Guo Yan Yi and Yong Zheng Huang Chao -
that's right.Originally posted by laurence82:Shi Ji is written by Sima Qian rite?
Anyway, trying to read up on China history nowadays, its getting more and more ionteresting, thanks to shows like San Guo Yan Yi and Yong Zheng Huang Chao
RTK is too much of a novel for my liking. I prefer Dong Zhou Lie Guo. Dunno why pple like RTK characters so much; even Zhuge Liang compared himself to Guan Zhong from Qi and Yue Yi from Yan .. wonder how many pple actually read their histories?
In contrast, the spring and autumn and warring states produce much more variety of characters which is absent in RTK. RTK only know how to fight fight fight .. it gets boring after a while.
Yong Zheng Huang Chao is good 'cos it is built upon a more solid historical base (much of RTK is fiction). At least it never introduce the xue di zi (flying saucer) we find in the ye2 shi3 ('wild' history)
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goodness, RTK do produce a lot of characters, besides, RTK is not only well know for its heroes, but for its war strategies storiesOriginally posted by Icemoon:that's right.
RTK is too much of a novel for my liking. I prefer Dong Zhou Lie Guo. Dunno why pple like RTK characters so much; even Zhuge Liang compared himself to Guan Zhong from Qi and Yue Yi from Yan .. wonder how many pple actually read their histories?
In contrast, the spring and autumn and warring states produce much more variety of characters which is absent in RTK. RTK only know how to fight fight fight .. it gets boring after a while.
Yong Zheng Huang Chao is good 'cos it is built upon a more solid historical base (much of RTK is fiction). At least it never introduce the xue di zi (flying saucer) we find in the ye2 shi3 ("wild history") -
yar .. a lot but more or less the same and the context is often always the battlefield. contrast with the water margin - you have like 108 characters (knn they even have Guan Yu's descendant inside, and Li Kui is almost Zhang Fei .. I think they get same actor to act both charactersOriginally posted by laurence82:goodness, RTK do produce a lot of characters, besides, RTK is not only well know for its heroes, but for its war strategies stories ) and you see each of them through many lens.
war strategies stories exist everywhere. in fact most of the strategies came before RTK .. for ex, besiege wei to save zhao.
oh ya .. there is a gay in warring states also .. u watched xun2 qin2 ji4?
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yeah i watched that tooOriginally posted by Icemoon:yar .. a lot but more or less the same and the context is often always the battlefield. contrast with the water margin - you have like 108 characters (knn they even have Guan Yu's descendant inside, and Li Kui is almost Zhang Fei .. I think they get same actor to act both characters ) and you see each of them through many lens.
war strategies stories exist everywhere. in fact most of the strategies came before RTK .. for ex, besiege wei to save zhao.
oh ya .. there is a gay in warring states also .. u watched xun2 qin2 ji4?
but that was shown in 2003, forgot who is the gay liao.... -
can't recall the exact sermon that touched me. I left so long already. But I only liked his sermons.Originally posted by Icemoon:discussion is ok .. the pt is does he agree with their line of argument about issues that split the church or not?
retreats is ok .. but then he is not allowed to partake in the eucharist .. haha
how indepth is it? any examples?
That's why I even supported him when he started a Mandarin Sunday service. I was only of the very few people (less than 10) who turned up. -
Actually this big family didn't split because of theology reason.Originally posted by happyharvest:I think it is all right to discuss theology with Catholic Priests. I don't think anything wrong leh. I consider all to be in one big family though some part of theology got clashes.
After centuries, today there might be theology clashes but we know we are moving in the same direction. It's like travelling to a same destination in different vehicle.
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im a buddhist and i went to a church a few months back and attended it every saturday...but i stopped going a few weeks back as i cannot tolerate the terribly boring sermons.....so i went back to temple....
cant tolerate the preaching of the ppl(at the church) there not to touch woman,wine and sex.... -
temple allow you to touch women?????Originally posted by ceecookie:im a buddhist and i went to a church a few months back and attended it every saturday...but i stopped going a few weeks back as i cannot tolerate the terribly boring sermons.....so i went back to temple....
cant tolerate the preaching of the ppl(at the church) there not to touch woman,wine and sex....
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no lah...but not that type...what i mean is they dont allow me to drink,have sex and ogle aka lust.....Originally posted by Honeybunz:temple allow you to touch women?????
but i like to drink whiskey and vodka and ogle sometime...sex is when i am older and at a suitable age...
Then they also say i cannot have gf now...only can wife
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Orh ok lor. Bye bye.Originally posted by ceecookie:no lah...but not that type...what i mean is they dont allow me to drink,have sex and ogle aka lust.....
but i like to drink whiskey and vodka and ogle sometime...sex is when i am older and at a suitable age...
Then they also say i cannot have gf now...only can wife
wtf man.... -
well .. those "rules" are for believers not for youOriginally posted by ceecookie:no lah...but not that type...what i mean is they dont allow me to drink,have sex and ogle aka lust.....
but i like to drink whiskey and vodka and ogle sometime...sex is when i am older and at a suitable age...
Then they also say i cannot have gf now...only can wife
wtf man....
also I think it is no use trying to "fit into the mould", so to speak. Don't force yourself to drop all your vices, you will only torment yourself.
ultimately .. if you learn to see grace .. then you will start to change. don't try to change yourself. Let Jesus Christ change you through the Holy Spirit. -
which church says cannot have gf?Originally posted by ceecookie:Then they also say i cannot have gf now...only can wife
wtf man.... -
Less than 10 also can form service?Originally posted by Honeybunz:.
That's why I even supported him when he started a Mandarin Sunday service. I was only of the very few people (less than 10) who turned up.
In Judaism .. they need 10 guys to form a minyan.
You all have less than 10 leh .. haha
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1st time ever they added this lunchtime service. Also the 1st Mandarin service in that parish. I think in the beginning they added that timeslot to test water or what. In the past, there were only services in the morning, one at eight and the other at ten. After that, most people attend the early morning ones and then proceed to their respective meetings : Youth meeting, Choir practise etc. I love Mandarin service and sermons. All the more I supported him. After a couple of years I went back to visit that parish, that time slot Sunday Service is packedOriginally posted by Icemoon:Less than 10 also can form service?
In Judaism .. they need 10 guys to form a minyan. You all have less than 10 leh .. haha
if he is popular .. how come less than 10?
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wah killer boss is a true blue RC .. even uses 'parish' to describe presbyterian church.
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i think the Anglicans use the term 'parish' too..Originally posted by Icemoon:wah killer boss is a true blue RC .. even uses 'parish' to describe presbyterian church. -
not correct mehOriginally posted by Icemoon:wah killer boss is a true blue RC .. even uses 'parish' to describe presbyterian church. 
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hmm .. i won't say it is totally wrong 'cos pple still understand your point but it is just strange to use it on a presbyterian church leh. Protestants call a church a church. Unlike Catholic churches whose believers are more likely to live nearby, Protestant members hail from around the island.Originally posted by Honeybunz:not correct meh -
not surprised. but I'm not sure whether Anglicans look at Saint Andrews Cathedral and All Saints Church equally.Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:i think the Anglicans use the term 'parish' too.. -
which faith allow u to act immorally?Originally posted by ceecookie:im a buddhist and i went to a church a few months back and attended it every saturday...but i stopped going a few weeks back as i cannot tolerate the terribly boring sermons.....so i went back to temple....
cant tolerate the preaching of the ppl(at the church) there not to touch woman,wine and sex....