Sin of Presumption

• fandango

  19 Sep 05, 13:55

  Can anyone explain the "Sin of Presumption"?
  
  Honeybunz, maybe...
• laurence82

  19 Sep 05, 14:23

  What? Is this something against Catholicism again, since you're asking honeybunzie?
• Icemoon

  19 Sep 05, 14:51

  ask sgMacross .. not killer boss.
  
  or ask MrBach .. but he dun come here one. lol
• ben1xy

  19 Sep 05, 15:25

  erm... i think its something to do with expecting God to save us without putting in any real effort and being complacent thinking that u r saved
• Honeybunz

  19 Sep 05, 17:19

  Singapore Macros and JWorld so good. You dun ask them.
  
  Why not ask Frustmom? She will be happy to take part ...
• Honeybunz

  19 Sep 05, 17:21

  ... Ah Ben also can answer.
  
• JWorld

  19 Sep 05, 17:35

  Originally posted by fandango:

  Can anyone explain the "Sin of Presumption"?
  
  Honeybunz, maybe...

  Why don't you enlighten us by sharing how much you know about it?
  
  Gtg. Later.
• SingaporeMacross

  19 Sep 05, 22:58

  Now now, go easy on Fandango..
  
  The sin of presumption is to think that you can go to heaven without any effort on your own part. Also, if we lead a sinful life in the expectation that we can repent at the end of our life and thus gain salvation, we are guilty of the sin of presumption!
  
  Let us avoid this.
• laurence82

  20 Sep 05, 01:31

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  Now now, go easy on Fandango..
  
  The sin of presumption is to think that you can go to heaven without any effort on your own part. Also, if we lead a sinful life in the expectation that we can repent at the end of our life and thus gain salvation, we are guilty of the sin of presumption!
  
  Let us avoid this.

  This relate a lot to the topic on two groups of christians, where one of the issues was on murderer-victim.
• ben1xy

  20 Sep 05, 07:20

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  Now now, go easy on Fandango..
  
  The sin of presumption is to think that you can go to heaven without any effort on your own part. Also, if we lead a sinful life in the expectation that we can repent at the end of our life and thus gain salvation, we are guilty of the sin of presumption!
  
  Let us avoid this.

  hmm ... my defination wasnt too off then lol
  
  
• fandango

  4 Oct 05, 11:36

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  Now now, go easy on Fandango..
  
  The sin of presumption is to think that you can go to heaven without any effort on your own part. Also, if we lead a sinful life in the expectation that we can repent at the end of our life and thus gain salvation, we are guilty of the sin of presumption!
  
  Let us avoid this.

  Hmm...that doesn't sounds like what the Vatican II says.
  
  Rome called assurance of salvation "a Sin of Presumption". It says that even if you are a devout Catholic, you cannot assume that you will go to heaven when you die.
  
• ben1xy

  4 Oct 05, 19:12

  Originally posted by fandango:

  Hmm...that doesn't sounds like what the Vatican II says.
  
  Rome called assurance of salvation "a Sin of Presumption". It says that even if you are a devout Catholic, you cannot assume that you will go to heaven when you die.
  
  Purgatory?

  actually .. the church position is not as definate on this issue.
  but on Purgatory.. yes we will experience it.
  
  thats why we will pray for the souls in purgatory during mass
• JWorld

  5 Oct 05, 00:43

  Can we go to heaven without any effort on our own part?
  
  http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=155867
• JWorld

  5 Oct 05, 00:44

  Originally posted by ben1xy:

  actually .. the church position is not as definate on this issue.
  but on Purgatory.. yes we will experience it.
  
  thats why we will pray for the souls in purgatory during mass

• SingaporeMacross

  5 Oct 05, 00:46

  Originally posted by fandango:

  Hmm...that doesn't sounds like what the Vatican II says.
  
  Rome called assurance of salvation "a Sin of Presumption". It says that even if you are a devout Catholic, you cannot assume that you will go to heaven when you die.
  

  That's an interesting one. Now show me!!
• JWorld

  5 Oct 05, 01:06

  Originally posted by JWorld:

  Can we go to heaven without any effort on our own part?
  
  http://www.sgforums.com/?action=thread_display&thread_id=155867

  Just got a simple but very good reply from The Bear
  
  

  Originally posted by the Bear:

  i would just say this...
  
  just because we were found "worthy" by God to be saved, doesn't mean that we should stop trying our best to actually be worthy

• fandango

  5 Oct 05, 01:14

  Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:

  That's an interesting one. Now show me!!

  From the same catholic friend with links to Holy Days of Obligation,
  
  http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=5393
  http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ195.HTM
  http://www.ewtn.com/library/councils/trent6.htm
  http://www.catholic.net/RCC/Periodicals/Homiletic/01-97/8/8.html
  http://www.newadvent.org/summa/302103.htm
• SingaporeMacross

  5 Oct 05, 01:22

  http://www.catholicculture.org/docs/doc_view.cfm?recnum=1371
  
  is this the one you are referring to?
• sinnersotong

  5 Oct 05, 14:41

  another sin?!
  
  so many?!
  
  
• dumbdumb!

  5 Oct 05, 14:43

  haha... my encik only taught me one thing.
  
  assumption is the mother of all corkups. so dunno wat sin of presumption
• pie

  5 Oct 05, 15:01

  Originally posted by dumbdumb!:

  haha... my encik only taught me one thing.
  
  assumption is the mother of all corkups. so dunno wat sin of presumption

  you think who confirm?