The "unwritten" truth about Christianity
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correction. it is not the murderer who is able to go heaven.Originally posted by laurence82:then the murderer is able to go tyo heaven because he convert, what kind of logic is this?
you watch the movie "one more chance"? Is it fair to label Mark Lee a "conman" and deny him a job? and when he gets the job, do you scold "THAT CONMAN GOT A JOB .. KNN"? -
he has killed some1... u jus cant erase the fact like tat...Originally posted by Icemoon:ya, but when he converts, he is not murdering anymore right? -
then the question will beOriginally posted by Icemoon:correction. it is not the murderer who is able to go heaven.
you watch the movie "one more chance"? Is it fair to label Mark Lee a "conman" and deny him a job? and when he gets the job, do you scold "THAT CONMAN GOT A JOB .. KNN"?
he get reprieve because he regret his sin, or because he believe in christ? -
sins are punished. they affect you and your family.Originally posted by laurence82:can like that?
u do one sin in ur life, but within that life, you convert, u get reprieve
you murder a person. you get hanged. where got reprieved? -
so a life for a life. he lost his life in the end too. so what's the problem?Originally posted by RaTtY81:he has killed some1... u jus cant erase the fact like tat...
you want to kill his family too? maybe rape his wife and daughter as retribution to him and salvage justice to yourself? -
the victims by right should b still living if he is not killed... not going heaven nor hell...Originally posted by Icemoon:fair to who?
if you think those who are victims deserve "special treatment" and go heaven, what kind of logic is this?
wat kinda logic is tat if the 1 tat is killed goes to heaven... -
define reprieve here.Originally posted by laurence82:then the question will be
he get reprieve because he regret his sin, or because he believe in christ? -
go to heaven? isnt that what christians hope to go?Originally posted by Icemoon:define reprieve here. -
ok la... for eg.Originally posted by Icemoon:so a life for a life. he lost his life in the end too. so what's the problem?
you want to kill his family too? maybe rape his wife and daughter as retribution to him and salvage justice to yourself?
i go kill whole of ur family n i got caught n kenna hanged... will u b happy? will u hate me? will there b no prob. and in the end i still go heaven bcos i believe in christ jus b4 im hanged. so theres no prob rite? u wun hate me rite? -
you seems to be implying since the victim was disadvantaged, he should receive special treatment.Originally posted by RaTtY81:the victims by right should b still living if he is not killed... not going heaven nor hell...
wat kinda logic is tat if the 1 tat is killed goes to heaven...
your argument is a case of martyr argument to gather sympathy. your example of murderer and victim is moot. -
that is what me and ratty meanOriginally posted by RaTtY81:the victims by right should b still living if he is not killed... not going heaven nor hell...
wat kinda logic is tat if the 1 tat is killed goes to heaven...
we aint going to add to the pool of sins by raping his daughter or mother... -
Blind, Blind, all Blind.
Is it going to haven a one-way ticket? Those not chosen then go where? Hell? Or come back?
If come back, way don't those come back tell us to do 100% good? Let me feels this is not complete.
Always open your mind & think. Think both ways. It's a fair world, what was experiance was meant it should be. Not somebody plan for you. If all was plan, I no need to choose. If I need to choose, there is "Other Ways".
There are so many religion on earth. Meaning "I" can choose. It's just a way of thinking. If "All Mighty God" is so Powerful. He will not let you have doubt in anything & let you feels deeply there is "HIM". There is no need to be connected. -
then my reply to your qn shall be - he was reprieved 'cos he repented of his sins and accepted Jesus as Lord.Originally posted by laurence82:go to heaven? isnt that what christians hope to go? -
so the problem is reduced to whether I hate you or not? hahaha .. so I am God liao issit? I happy you get "reprieved" .. I not happy you get "condemned".Originally posted by RaTtY81:ok la... for eg.
i go kill whole of ur family n i got caught n kenna hanged... will u b happy? will u hate me? will there b no prob. and in the end i still go heaven bcos i believe in christ jus b4 im hanged. so theres no prob rite? u wun hate me rite?
to show how absurd is your argument, let me propose this scenario - I employ you to kill my family. so i happy you happy. everybody also happy (except the victims). -
i repeat...Originally posted by Icemoon:you seems to be implying since the victim was disadvantaged, he should receive special treatment.
your argument is a case of martyr argument to gather sympathy. your example of murderer and victim is moot.
hte murderer believe in christ n go heaven,
the victim does not believe in christ n go hell. fair?
when was there special treatment added into it? im jus asking whether this is fair? yes or no? -
why not? unless god is some sort of businessman who kick out everyone who is disadvantaged, the moment something goes wrong....Originally posted by Icemoon:you seems to be implying since the victim was disadvantaged, he should receive special treatment.
your argument is a case of martyr argument to gather sympathy. your example of murderer and victim is moot.
if god has no sympathy, what kind of god is this? -
I repeat. The murderer never believed in Christ, never. The one who believed in Christ is no more a murderer, as much as Mark Lee wasn't a conman when he was finally married.Originally posted by RaTtY81:i repeat...
hte murderer believe in christ n go heaven,
the victim does not believe in christ n go hell. fair?
when was there special treatment added into it? im jus asking whether this is fair? yes or no?
The point about the victim is moot. He might still land up in hell even if he wasn't the victim. -
huh?Originally posted by Icemoon:so the problem is reduced to whether I hate you or not? hahaha .. so I am God liao issit? I happy you get "reprieved" .. I not happy you get "condemned".
to show how absurd is your argument, let me propose this scenario - I employ you to kill my family. so i happy you happy. everybody also happy (except the victims). -
My challenge to you will be - when was everyone in, in the first place?Originally posted by laurence82:why not? unless god is some sort of businessman who kick out everyone who is disadvantaged, the moment something goes wrong.... -
how shall this be intepreted?Originally posted by Icemoon:then my reply to your qn shall be - he was reprieved 'cos he repented of his sins and accepted Jesus as Lord.
he repented solely because he believe in christ ?
he regretted and repented his sins, because christ told him murder is a sin? -
which part u dun understand?Originally posted by RaTtY81:huh? -
every part of wat u type...Originally posted by Icemoon:which part u dun understand? -
pls do clarify if possibleOriginally posted by Icemoon:My challenge to you will be - when was everyone in, in the first place?
save time from trying to post so many times to clarify one or two issue
whats the reason for everyone not in in the first place?
if u tell me, let say for this time we use christianity as a basis, non believers and christians who are not up to the mark, then it sounds allright, in christian sense
otherwise, what are the other possible reason why they are not in? -
difficult question .. hmm .. i want to let it pass leh .. or ask happyharvest to help me ans can?Originally posted by laurence82:how shall this be intepreted?
he repented solely because he believe in christ ?
he regretted and repented his sins, because christ told him murder is a sin?
but the ans will not be your first statement. it is somewhere along the line of the second one .. -
ok in very simple terms...
a guy kill someone but goes to heaven. the murdered goes hell.
fair?
yes or no?