The "unwritten" truth about Christianity
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Hmm.....you're kinda slow. I posted that qns long ago...Originally posted by Icemoon:McSquare very sly one .. you better think b4 you ans
But yeah. You know where i'm coming from.
Well...the issue of elected still remains grey. Even happyharvest didn't see the problem.
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That verse supports Calvinism meh? Zun boh? I think non Calvinists like the moderator brey can always interpret in another way.Originally posted by M©+square:Well...the issue of elected still remains grey. Even happyharvest didn't see the problem.
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Since the issue still remain grey that means we are not supposed to know much. The bible tells us the elects are chosen by the foreknowledge of God and His predestination.Originally posted by M©+square:Hmm.....you're kinda slow. I posted that qns long ago...
But yeah. You know where i'm coming from.
Well...the issue of elected still remains grey. Even happyharvest didn't see the problem.
Cheers
I don't see why bother much about the elect thingy. Just follow Jesus, practise what you should practise and wait for what you deserved lo. The elect thingy only God knows. Why have to stuggle much about an issue not fully known to us except God? -
Originally posted by happyharvest:Since the issue still remain grey that means we are not supposed to know much. The bible tells us the elects are chosen by the foreknowledge of God and His predestination.
I don't see why bother much about the elect thingy. Just follow Jesus, practise what you should practise and wait for what you deserved lo. The elect thingy only God knows. Why have to stuggle much about an issue not fully known to us except God? -
Precisely because he interpretes in another way. That's why i stopped my debate with him.Originally posted by Icemoon:That verse supports Calvinism meh? Zun boh? I think non Calvinists like the moderator brey can always interpret in another way.
That verse doesn't Calvinism, totally. I shan't go into that since i'm so out of the elected already. -
hmm.. i wanna give my views on this topic, but i keep seeing new terms and stuff coming out.. so let me go do some research before i say anything.. lmfao.. im noob at this.
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Originally posted by RaTtY81:
Where does the assumption of murderer must go hell come from? Murderers are caught up by justice to face the death sentence. Finish. Closure. The gospel is very clear on this - the first to enter paradise with Christ was crucified. Surely he didn't accept Christ while he was a fugitive.
if a murderer believe in jesus, he will go heaven? despite he killed some1? so wat will happen to the 1 he killed if he doesnt believe in jesus? go to hell?
I like the death penalty. I love Singapore.
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I anticipating brey to interpret in another way lo. quick brey, tells us more.Originally posted by Icemoon:That verse supports Calvinism meh? Zun boh? I think non Calvinists like the moderator brey can always interpret in another way.
anyway ,I'm in a non Calvinist church but I don't see why we should turn our face regarding the elect thingy. I quite sian of trying to understand the relationship b/w God's will and our will. -
Who's out who's in only God will know.Originally posted by M©+square:That verse doesn't Calvinism, totally. I shan't go into that since i'm so out of the elected already.
Maybe God re-generate your ex-generated heart. -
Do you believe that in everything, it happened for a reason?Originally posted by happyharvest:Since the issue still remain grey that means we are not supposed to know much. The bible tells us the elects are chosen by the foreknowledge of God and His predestination.
I don't see why bother much about the elect thingy. Just follow Jesus, practise what you should practise and wait for what you deserved lo. The elect thingy only God knows. Why have to stuggle much about an issue not fully known to us except God?
So even for the two camps to happen. It was for a reason.
Just like some have said. Some are made to live a life without seeking much. Some are created to acquire knowledge.
The two camps didn't struggle much, they just merely stayed at their own camps.
New gen christians struggle on the issue of election merely because
-No solid understand of the Word
-No knowledge of the Two camps
-Interpreting the scriptures at their convienence.
-Do not have the hunger to study the word and seek answer to it.
It all voice down to basic principles of beliefs.
Your revelation from the Holy Spirit will answer you. That i'll respect your learning process.
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Hmm... I do believe that cos the bible tells me so.Originally posted by M©+square:Do you believe that in everything, it happened for a reason?
So even for the two camps to happen. It was for a reason.
Just like some have said. Some are made to live a life without seeking much. Some are created to acquire knowledge.
The two camps didn't struggle much, they just merely stayed at their own camps.
New gen christians struggle on the issue of election merely because
-No solid understand of the Word
-No knowledge of the Two camps
-Interpreting the scriptures at their convienence.
-Do not have the hunger to study the word and seek answer to it.
It all voice down to basic principles of beliefs.
Your revelation from the Holy Spirit will answer you. That i'll respect your learning process.
Cheers
But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?' "Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use? (Romans 9:20-21)
Yes, I agree with you regarding the revelation from Holy Spirit that answer individual believer. May all have the same vision in these last days (ops, I suppose...)...
Gonna go liao.
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May i suggest that you shouldn't thread into issue which you're not sure? This is a disturbing issue i'm talking about. And i'm sure if there's really anyone who have the ablility to contain such issue.Originally posted by coffeeortea:hmm.. i wanna give my views on this topic, but i keep seeing new terms and stuff coming out.. so let me go do some research before i say anything.. lmfao.. im noob at this.
Research alone and by wits, or good knowledge is not enough.
In fact, it is dangerous to be quick to decipher what i am trying to say.
Hai.
Lastly, i hope you will do your 'research' in the School of the Holy Spirit.
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Disturbing....Originally posted by Icemoon:Who's out who's in only God will know.
Maybe God re-generate your ex-generated heart. -
Is this issue along theological line or ...?Originally posted by M©+square:May i suggest that you shouldn't thread into issue which you're not sure? This is a disturbing issue i'm talking about. And i'm sure if there's really anyone who have the ablility to contain such issue.
Research alone and by wits, or good knowledge is not enough.
In fact, it is dangerous to be quick to decipher what i am trying to say.
Hai.
Lastly, i hope you will do your 'research' in the School of the Holy Spirit.
Cheers
i tot i know whats the topic abt, till i read this debate... -
i am now asking u a qn leh... u dun reply my qns with a qn leh...Originally posted by Icemoon:I'm questioning your assumption first. If do good go heaven do bad go hell .. then what happens to those who, theoretically, do neither good nor bad?
If you can ans this .. then you have a more correct view of Christianity .. and you realize why Christians say we all need Christ. -
den the 1 tat is murdered??? go to hell???Originally posted by happyharvest:Yes, the murderer will still go to heaven if He truely repent. If not Jesus died for us is in vain! Remember the one who was crucified with Jesus. Initially, he despised Jesus and asked Jesus to proof himself. Later he truely repented and saw that He is the Son of God. Jesus told him that he will be in paradise with him. Only God can see through our heart.
do u think tat is FAIR? -
in christian faith its like thatOriginally posted by RaTtY81:den the 1 tat is murdered??? go to hell???
do u think tat is FAIR?
faith over works...no fret no fret -
hmm do u think ppl woll believe in god is there is no devil?
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according to the christians, the ans is yesOriginally posted by RaTtY81:i am now asking u a qn leh... u dun reply my qns with a qn leh... -
fair to who?Originally posted by RaTtY81:den the 1 tat is murdered??? go to hell???
do u think tat is FAIR?
if you think those who are victims deserve "special treatment" and go heaven, what kind of logic is this? -
your reply is fallacious.Originally posted by laurence82:in christian faith its like that
faith over works...no fret no fret
the murderer isn't a christian when he is murdering. so any "christian" notion of faith and works obviously doesn't apply. -
but when he converts, isnt that faith? duh...Originally posted by Icemoon:your reply is fallacious.
the murderer isn't a christian when he is murdering. so any "christian" notion of faith and works obviously doesn't apply. -
then the murderer is able to go tyo heaven because he convert, what kind of logic is this?Originally posted by Icemoon:fair to who?
if you think those who are victims deserve "special treatment" and go heaven, what kind of logic is this? -
ya, but when he converts, he is not murdering anymore right?Originally posted by laurence82:but when he converts, isnt that faith? duh... -
can like that?Originally posted by Icemoon:ya, but when he converts, he is not murdering anymore right?
u do one sin in ur life, but within that life, you convert, u get reprieve
as oppose to soemoen who isnt a christian, but is murdered...
to borrow mcsquare's word, its disturbing what kind of morals we are teaching in our society..