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What is Israel's role in the end times? Does what is happening in Israel today mean the end times are quickly approaching?
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What is happening in Israel today?Originally posted by happyharvest:What is Israel's role in the end times? Does what is happening in Israel today mean the end times are quickly approaching?
They seems to be making peace .. by giving away land and evicting their own people from it. -
Role? What role? That place is a cursed land. Its not even holy. So many killings going on there.Originally posted by happyharvest:What is Israel's role in the end times? Does what is happening in Israel today mean the end times are quickly approaching? -
The end times practically revolve around the nation of Israel. They are God's chosen nation. He has been dealing with them since Genesis 12, and He will deal with them during the Tribulation. The nation as a whole has rejected Jesus Christ as their Messiah. As far as Israel in the last days is concerned, Luke 21 is one reference to consider. Also, Ezekiel 36 talks about the New Covenant which God makes with Israel. Israel really is the focal nation in the chain of end-times events. Consider the following: There will be a mass return of Jews to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 30:3; Isaiah 43:6; Ezekiel 34:11-13; 36:24; 37:1-14).
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two views:Originally posted by happyharvest:What is Israel's role in the end times? Does what is happening in Israel today mean the end times are quickly approaching?
the covenant camp believes that the Church is the new Israel, so whatever is happening in Israel in the Middle East does not have bearing.
The dispensational camp [the camp where i belong] believes that "Yes, the regathering of Israel again as a nation fulfills the first stages of the many prophecies in the Old Testament about the end times. And it indeed signals the coming great tribulation and etc.
about israel's role in the end times:
two views:
1)The covenant camp believes that the Church [Israel] will undergo tribulation [they are post-trib] and from here the covenant camp divides into two:
there are covenants who do not believe believe in a literal one thousand years, hence they are called covenant ammellinialist and covenants who believe in a literal 1000 years, hence they are called covenant premillinialist.
the former believes that the Church [Israel] will undergo tribulation and then the SEcond coming will ensue and then the general judgement will follow.
the latter believes that the Church [Israel] will undergo the same procesess as stated above but will rule for a thousand years here on earth.
2) the dispensationalists camp believes that IsrAEL WILL have a major, major part in the end times. We believe that 144, 000 thousand Israelites will be saved in the tribulation [REv. 7] and they will become preachers of the word for the world and the Antichrist will persecute them, kill them, behead them and etc.
However, three kinds of dispensationalist trifurcate here:
There are dispensationalist who believe in:
1) Pre-Trib Rapture [the Church will be snatched away to heaven just before the start of the Tribulation ,Here i belong].
2) Mid-Trib Dispensationalist [in the middle of the trib. the rapture will occur]
3) and the Post-Trib dispensationalist [after tribulation rapture]
all dispensationalist believe that Israel will become the top nation all over the world in the coming Mellinium after the great tribulation as predicted in tHe Old TEstament. THe Lord will rule the whole wide world with Jerusaleme as His headquarters bringing peace, prosperity and justice to all the earth. -
hmm Isreal is average
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yes,Originally posted by happyharvest:What is Israel's role in the end times? Does what is happening in Israel today mean the end times are quickly approaching?
one of the revelations says that when jews starts to return to their homeland the end is near.
but how near nobody knows. -
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this already happened... May 14, 1948, Israel formed back as a nation...Originally posted by happyharvest:There will be a mass return of Jews to the land of Israel (Deuteronomy 30:3; Isaiah 43:6; Ezekiel 34:11-13; 36:24; 37:1-14). -
what is going to happen next?Originally posted by mach10:this already happened... May 14, 1948, Israel formed back as a nation... -
quote/unquote .. fire death shall descend upon us. SO i guess its either Armegeddon by Bruce Willis style.. or nuclear holocaust.. only the roaches are going to survive..Originally posted by The return:what is going to happen next? -
Mark of the beast on foreheads... pls go read about rice-grain chip..Originally posted by The return:what is going to happen next? -
and then? list it down lehOriginally posted by mach10:Mark of the beast on foreheads... pls go read about rice-grain chip.. -
go read Revelations...Originally posted by M©+square:and then? list it down leh -
My challenge to you is to list it down.Originally posted by mach10:go read Revelations... -
List for wat? u go read yourself.Originally posted by M©+square:My challenge to you is to list it down.
if u lazy to read, den dun ask. Coz u dun have a bible. -
haha....Originally posted by mach10:List for wat? u go read yourself. if u lazy to read, den dun ask. Coz u dun have a bible.
You have nothing to list ah. -
Actually, the regathering of the nationo Israel in 1948 is just the FIRST STAGES of the fulfillement of the many prophecies in the OT.Originally posted by The return:what is going to happen next?
In the OT, the prophecies there speak of a spiritual, regenerated Israel.
Pertinent verses in Daniel and Revelation tell us that unregenerated, regathered Isreal will make a covenant with the AntiChist, giving them peace on every side. But after 3 and a half years [of the seven years treaty] they [Israel] will realize their error and sin of covenanting with a false Chist.
Then 144,ooo thousand [REvelation 7 and Joel 2] of Israel will 'call upon the name of the Lord' and be saved.
I personally believe that all these will not take place unless the Rapture comes first for the Church. [my pre-Trib is showing here heh
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The Rapture of the Church will signal the beginnings of these things.
Rapture is next