Tithing and other questions

• laurence82

  12 Sep 05, 11:38

  In ACJC, a Methodist school, the monday service uses modern day worship songs, not traditional hymns.
  
  My VP complains abt it, but he cant do nuts abt it...
• Honeybunz

  12 Sep 05, 11:38

  Originally posted by Icemoon:

  wah leow .. u work for assassin company? macham Mrs Smith liddat.
  
  I have a hit list. How much do you charge?

  I own the company. That's why I'm the killer boss
  
  btw, joke aside....
  If I kill ppl for a living, I commit sin.
  But if I use that money to donate to the Church, will that make me a saint?
  Just want to see what you all think. Very curious...ehehe
• M©+square

  12 Sep 05, 11:43

  Originally posted by Honeybunz:

  I own the company. That's why I'm the killer boss
  
  btw, joke aside....
  If I kill ppl for a living, I commit sin.
  But if I use that money to donate to the Church, will that make me a saint?
  Just want to see what you all think. Very curious...ehehe

  It depends how you want to see it.
  
  Sin is heavier or your deeds weighs more.
  
  Cheers
• ben1xy

  12 Sep 05, 12:22

  Originally posted by Honeybunz:

  I own the company. That's why I'm the killer boss
  
  btw, joke aside....
  If I kill ppl for a living, I commit sin.
  But if I use that money to donate to the Church, will that make me a saint?
  

  give me some of that $$ and i will tell u!
• Honeybunz

  12 Sep 05, 17:55

  Originally posted by ben1xy:

  give me some of that $$ and i will tell u!

  Wah, make you the priest, the church become rich liao.
• Honeybunz

  12 Sep 05, 17:56

  Originally posted by M©+square:

  It depends how you want to see it.
  
  Sin is heavier or your deeds weighs more.
  
  Cheers

  Then how you see it?
• Honeybunz

  12 Sep 05, 17:57

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  In ACJC, a Methodist school, the monday service uses modern day worship songs, not traditional hymns.
  
  My VP complains abt it, but he cant do nuts abt it...

  Tell your VP "If you can fight them, join them"
  
• gasband

  12 Sep 05, 18:34

  I give and tithe...although not necessary 10%, sometimes lesser, sometimes more...
  
  Why do we see that God wants us to give 10%? Why dun we see that God wants us to keep 90%?
• breytonhartge

  12 Sep 05, 19:35

  I don't see why there should be a problem with tithing. Afterall God owns all of what we have anyway. So we are only giving back to God what is His. Besides God Himself said in Malachi, tithe but He also added a promise behind it, that He will bless us so much that there will not be room enough to receive it...
• happyharvest

  12 Sep 05, 20:07

  God loves a cheerful giver.
• shade343

  12 Sep 05, 20:24

  Originally posted by happyharvest:

  God loves a cheerful giver.

  If church followers are "coerce" into giving tithes.......
• breytonhartge

  12 Sep 05, 21:50

  Originally posted by happyharvest:

  God loves a cheerful giver.

  That He does, but also know that not tithing is robbing from God, and that if anyone wants to redeem the tithe, he must add a fifth to it, ie 20%. FYI
• eternal hope

  12 Sep 05, 21:52

  Originally posted by breytonhartge:

  That He does, but also know that not tithing is robbing from God, and that if anyone wants to redeem the tithe, he must add a fifth to it, ie 20%. FYI

  Tithe can redeem?
• bluewinged

  12 Sep 05, 21:55

  20%????????????
• eternal hope

  12 Sep 05, 21:58

  Originally posted by breytonhartge:

  That He does, but also know that not tithing is robbing from God, and that if anyone wants to redeem the tithe, he must add a fifth to it, ie 20%. FYI

  This seems to be unbiblical. Never heard before. Please quote the relevant verses to support your claim.
• breytonhartge

  13 Sep 05, 01:38

  Originally posted by eternal hope:

  This seems to be unbiblical. Never heard before. Please quote the relevant verses to support your claim.

  Malachi 3:10
  
  Malachi 3:6-9
  
  Proverbs 3:9
  
  1 Cor 10:26
  
  Leviticus 27:30
  
  Leviticus 27:31 And if a man wants to redeem (or keep) any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth (or 20%) to it.
• Honeybunz

  13 Sep 05, 01:48

  We should give only within our means.
  It may be 10% or 20% only. The number shows small, but some of us may need 95% of our income to sustain, while others may need to give some to parents. Remember the commandment: Honour your parents. Giving to God or serving Him should not let us forget that.
• happyharvest

  13 Sep 05, 02:33

  The tithe was a requirement of the law in which all Israelites were give 10% of everything they earned and grew to the Tabernacle / Temple (Leviticus 27:30; Numbers 18:26; Deuteronomy 14:24; 2 Chronicles 31:5).
  
  Now that we are under the new covenant, we are not bound by the law. Luke 22:20 says, "After supper, [Jesus] took another cup of wine and said, 'This wine is the token of God's new covenant to save you – an agreement sealed with the blood I will pour out for you.'"
  
  So I believe tithing is not compulsary and Christians should not feel obligated to always tithe. But we can use the 10% and 20% thingy as a guide to how much we want to give back to God. We should give as we are able, “in keeping with our income.”
  
  “Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver” (2 Corinthians 9:7).
  
  Regards
• eternal hope

  13 Sep 05, 02:37

  Originally posted by breytonhartge:

  Malachi 3:10
  
  Malachi 3:6-9
  
  Proverbs 3:9
  
  1 Cor 10:26
  
  Leviticus 27:30
  
  Leviticus 27:31 And if a man wants to redeem (or keep) any of his tithe, he shall add a fifth (or 20%) to it.

  Oh, I heard that before but have forgotten becos I didn't understand what the add a fifth means. So now I know liao. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thank You.
  
  BTW, I thought this is for the people of Israel?
• ben1xy

  13 Sep 05, 07:36

  Originally posted by happyharvest:

  Now that we are under the new covenant, we are not bound by the law. Luke 22:20 says, "After supper, [Jesus] took another cup of wine and said, 'This wine is the token of God's new covenant to save you – an agreement sealed with the blood I will pour out for you.'"
  
  Regards

  ooo this part is interesting. i'm curious abt this point.
  
  by having a new covenant.. does it mean that the old covenant is no longer valid or binding?
• happyharvest

  13 Sep 05, 14:47

  Originally posted by ben1xy:

  ooo this part is interesting. i'm curious abt this point.
  
  by having a new covenant.. does it mean that the old covenant is no longer valid or binding?

  Can you tell me what are the old covenant(s)?
• Chin Eng

  13 Sep 05, 15:12

  Originally posted by happyharvest:

  Can you tell me what are the old covenant(s)?

  OT covenants included those with Adam, Noah, Abraham, Moses, and David.
  http://www.carm.org/doctrine/covenant.htm.
• Chin Eng

  13 Sep 05, 15:13

  Originally posted by ben1xy:

  ooo this part is interesting. i'm curious abt this point.
  
  by having a new covenant.. does it mean that the old covenant is no longer valid or binding?

  Hebrews 8 and 9 is a good place to start.
  
• happyharvest

  13 Sep 05, 15:15

  Originally posted by Chin Eng:

  Hebrews 8 and 9 is a good place to start.
  

  So does that mean Jesus who came to fulfill the law has terminated the law. So we are no longer bounded by the law?
• Chin Eng

  13 Sep 05, 15:16

  Originally posted by eternal hope:

  Oh, I heard that before but have forgotten becos I didn't understand what the add a fifth means. So now I know liao. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Thank You.
  
  BTW, I thought this is for the people of Israel?

  the 10% tithe is not practiced universally. Some Methodist churches for example do not impose this 10%.
  
  the idea is really to give back to God what He has richly bless us with, with the understanding that "God loves a cheerful giver".