Evidences of a cursed earth.
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Yo, can you list down evidences of a cursed earth biblically? Let me start the ball-rolling:
1) So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. (Genesis 3 :14)
=> Today, snakes are the only creatures that crawl. No other creatures I can think of crawl (other than worms which is not a creature, right?). Some said that snake actually has legs but they are very small, not visible to the naked eyes. So I would think this is a reminder to us that snake used to have legs but God cursed it to crawl on its belly all its life.
From Marshcommentary:
God does not bother asking the serpent. He already knows that Satan is a liar. Instead, God pronounces judgment on the serpent. We do not know under exactly what circumstances Satan came to posses the serpent. Whatever it was, the serpent was responsible and suffered the consequence of losing its legs. Other than making the snake a visible oddity among land creatures, we do not know why losing the legs is related to the crime.
The modern snake uses its tongue to smell the air. Thus, we see it frequently sticking its tongue out. Undoubtedly, this causes the snake to ingest much dirt.
Notice that God mentions there is a curse on animals. People were to be stewards of the earth. Now that Adam and Eve had broken their relationship with God, their relationship with creation would also be broken. Later we see how the ground is cursed. Here, God does not detail the corruption of animals, but it seems pretty clear from today's modern animals that the symptoms include eating meat, violence, and poison.
2) To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. (Genesis 3:17-18 )
=> Work was intended to be enjoyable and fulfilling. Now it would include drudgery and difficulty.
Now we have to wrestle with noxious weeds. We would have to use special farming techniques to produce food to eat. Before the fall of man, there were no hurtful or poisonous plants, nor was there a scarcity of food. This curse is a dreadful prediction of what was to happen to him and his children. At this point God either created weeds or genetically manipulated His present creation to cause them to be harmful.
3) ..... to be continued....
(Some commentaries taken from marshcommentary) -
Yo, can you list down evidences of a cursed earth biblically? Let me start the ball-rolling:
I think u made a fatal error when u come out with these conclusions. The world did not become as such because the bible claims these matters. It is the bible tat made stories in order to explain why the world behaves as such. In short, some guy ask thunder is formed and another person come out with the fantastic story to explain it. If u insist on viewing it from the other side, then allow me to put a chinese folkstory on Nu wa
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_Wa
It is said that Nüwa existed in the beginning of the world. She felt lonely as there were no animals so she began the creation of animals and humans. On the first day she created chickens. On the second day she created dogs. On the third day she created sheep. On the forth day she created pigs. On the fifth day she created cows. ....
So just because there r cows, chickens, dogs and pigs then the story of Nu wa is true since it prove their existence ?
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SIS ... he's looking at it from a biblical perspective. gosh ... after sooo many debates with icemoon ... cant u see it from a Christian perspective? i am not asking u to convert, but since we are Christians, we are entitled to tackle certain issues from a Christian perpective right?
meaning taking the bible as our point of reference
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Oh, I see. I have started another unnessary debate myself. Ok, let me explain. Have the stories you mentioned being proven?! The bible has been proven to be accurate and true. There are many proofs.Originally posted by stupidissmart:I think u made a fatal error when u come out with these conclusions. The world did not become as such because the bible claims these matters. It is the bible tat made stories in order to explain why the world behaves as such. In short, some guy ask thunder is formed and another person come out with the fantastic story to explain it. If u insist on viewing it from the other side, then allow me to put a chinese folkstory on Nu wa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_Wa
It is said that Nüwa existed in the beginning of the world. She felt lonely as there were no animals so she began the creation of animals and humans. On the first day she created chickens. On the second day she created dogs. On the third day she created sheep. On the forth day she created pigs. On the fifth day she created cows. ....
So just because there r cows, chickens, dogs and pigs then the story of Nu wa is true since it prove their existence ?
Maybe you want to have a look at this site on why can you believe the bible:
http://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.html
I think I do not wish to say much about it. If a person does not wish to believe, he will not believe and will try to find ways to attack when there is a chance. I do not wish to waste much time on it. The net and even any christians bookstore has all the resources for your answers you may want.
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Oh, I see. I have started another unnessary debate myself. Ok, let me explain. Have the stories you mentioned being proven?! The bible has been proven to be accurate and true. There are many proofs.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Proven ? U mean it was proven tat rabbit chew their cud, bats r birds, men created from dust, earth was only 5000 years and the many dead seen walking along the streets after jesus die ? Com'on I think it is proven... to be wrong...Maybe you want to have a look at this site on why can you believe the bible:
I have briefly checked it and frankly they never really stated any proof etc saying about jesus which is itself, another person who is not proven to exists. U got to remember the bible is only compiled a few hundreds years after the death of jesus
http://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.htmlI think I do not wish to say much about it. If a person does not wish to believe, he will not believe and will try to find ways to attack when there is a chance. I do not wish to waste much time on it. The net and even any christians bookstore has all the resources for your answers you may want.
There r many websites tat also countered the arguments made by christians.
Similarly when a person believes, he will believes regardless of watever new information and facts tat appear. -
Here we go again... brey gets popcorn... stares at the screen...Originally posted by stupidissmart:I think u made a fatal error when u come out with these conclusions. The world did not become as such because the bible claims these matters. It is the bible tat made stories in order to explain why the world behaves as such. In short, some guy ask thunder is formed and another person come out with the fantastic story to explain it. If u insist on viewing it from the other side, then allow me to put a chinese folkstory on Nu wa
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nu_Wa
It is said that Nüwa existed in the beginning of the world. She felt lonely as there were no animals so she began the creation of animals and humans. On the first day she created chickens. On the second day she created dogs. On the third day she created sheep. On the forth day she created pigs. On the fifth day she created cows. ....
So just because there r cows, chickens, dogs and pigs then the story of Nu wa is true since it prove their existence ? -
Oh man, this guy or girl is really annoying.Originally posted by stupidissmart:There r many websites tat also countered the arguments made by christians. Similarly when a person believes, he will believes regardless of watever new information and facts tat appear.
First, the bible is historically true.
Second, the Gospels are accurate about Jesus.
Third, ancient historians also write about Jesus.
Fourth, archaeology has (and does) substantiated the Bible's historical accuracy.
And so on.
I would like to remind you that in the real world, wherever there is truth, there will always be falsehood.
Oh man, my patience is not enough to answer his/her questions. He seems to be "hopeless" to me. Hopefully, next time I am patient enough to answer his / her questions. And hopefully, he / she is not hopeless to God.
I'm not going to answer any of his/her questions. This person must be using this forum as a place to vent his emotions. Does any guys want to answer any of his/her questions? -
Christian perspective isnt all pervasive...Originally posted by ben1xy:SIS ... he's looking at it from a biblical perspective. gosh ... after sooo many debates with icemoon ... cant u see it from a Christian perspective? i am not asking u to convert, but since we are Christians, we are entitled to tackle certain issues from a Christian perpective right?
meaning taking the bible as our point of reference
shouldn't u respect that? -
Should I call him/her a "bu su zi ke" ?We haven't even preached at his / her "home" yet he /she comes to our "home" to attack our views. Sigh...Originally posted by ben1xy:SIS ... he's looking at it from a biblical perspective. gosh ... after sooo many debates with icemoon ... cant u see it from a Christian perspective? i am not asking u to convert, but since we are Christians, we are entitled to tackle certain issues from a Christian perpective right?
meaning taking the bible as our point of reference
shouldn't u respect that? -
i say the bible is written by men
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No atheists forum as far i can see ard sgforums....Originally posted by jnwk:Should I call him/her a "bu su zi ke" ?We haven't even preached at his / her "home" yet he /she comes to our "home" to attack our views. Sigh... -
U live, u die...the end. nothing more complicated den dat....wat happens in between is up to u but in the end u die and fullstop.
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Yes, you live, you die...the end. So simple. after the end will be? Life after death? Recarnate? It is not just that we live our life without knowing why man exist, not to say earth and all the elements. They just don't pop up from air or whatever. Yes, chunyong, how good it is if life is just like that. We live and die and fullstop. Then we can don't have to worry what comes after next and can enjoy during the transition hor. We are born to anticipate death and what so meaningful about life is, since we die anyway, right? So people starts to find ways of making life meaningful hor. I get your point - an atheist point of view but is this the way? Maybe you will say live life without regret but.... aiya... I dunno what I'm writing. Just wake up. ha ha... I stop here. Anyone want to continue? Mayve next time I will continue lar. chunyong, to put it simply, there is no meaning in life if it is what you have described above. Is there any meaning for a newborn to anticipate death. Can you explain why? Atheist would simply just ignore and not think much about it, I guess.Originally posted by chunyong:U live, u die...the end. nothing more complicated den dat....wat happens in between is up to u but in the end u die and fullstop.
Ok, gtg. bye. -
Can non-christian forums be considered one?Originally posted by laurence82:No atheists forum as far i can see ard sgforums.... -
Originally posted by breytonhartge:Here we go again... brey gets popcorn... stares at the screen... I prefer chips, Lays' Onion and Sour Cream, but yes, I will join you......
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Originally posted by laurence82:No atheists forum as far i can see ard sgforums.... You can start one.... and maybe invite SIS as the mod.... That should be good....
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Now I know SIS refers to stupidissmart. i.ci.c... Me greenhorn...Originally posted by Chin Eng: You can start one.... and maybe invite SIS as the mod.... That should be good.... -
That "R" word does not exist in his vocabulary.....Originally posted by ben1xy:shouldn't u respect that? -
Next time I will join you all too. I understand what you all mean le. Thanks for the implicit hinting.Originally posted by Chin Eng: I prefer chips, Lays' Onion and Sour Cream, but yes, I will join you...... -
Oh ya. If there is christian forums, then why no aetheist forum huh? The existence of aethesist forum is to argue about the different religions lo....Originally posted by Chin Eng: You can start one.... and maybe invite SIS as the mod.... That should be good....
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actually there is a brand here called red rock deli... very nice.... but then my favourite is still hot chips... hehe... feels weird to be on the sideline huh?Originally posted by Chin Eng: I prefer chips, Lays' Onion and Sour Cream, but yes, I will join you...... -
what is REALLY weird is that we are watching reruns....Originally posted by breytonhartge:actually there is a brand here called red rock deli... very nice.... but then my favourite is still hot chips... hehe... feels weird to be on the sideline huh? -
What reruns ? You mean the unnecessary debates??Originally posted by Chin Eng:what is REALLY weird is that we are watching reruns.... -
Naught to say.
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I PM you.....Originally posted by jnwk:What reruns ? You mean the unnecessary debates??